Why one should hate Lenin & Stalin

[nightcrawler]

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SYNOPSIS

The film tells the story of the Soviet regime.

- The Great Famine in Ukraine (1932/33)
- The Katyn massacre (1940)
- The SS-KGB partnership [in the late 1930s the KGB was called NKVD, more info>]
- Soviet mass deportations
- Medical experiments in the GULAG.

These are just a few of the subjects covered in the film.

“The Soviet Story” also discusses the impact of the Soviet legacy on modern day Europe. Listen to experts and European MPs discussing the implications of a selective attitude towards mass murder; and meet a woman describing the burial of her new born son in a GULAG concentration camp.
The Soviet Story is a story of pain, injustice and “realpolitik”.

 

[DV RULES]

Is there some thing new? we already know about it.

 

[roadrunner]

The Bolsheviks have been implicated in many genocides, but it's difficult to know how many are genuine.

But the creation of the Soviet Union was a good thing for many Soviet people. It brought prosperity though some would disagree.

Would be interesting to hear some objective opinions.

 

[nightcrawler]

The Bolsheviks have been implicated in many genocides, but it's difficult to know how many are genuine.

But the creation of the Soviet Union was a good thing for many Soviet people. It brought prosperity though some would disagree.

Would be interesting to hear some objective opinions.

Mind-blowing footages of thousands bodies starved to bone & then dumped by a truck is quiet genuine from my side.
The word 'some' re-implies the Marxist doctrine (of which the Leninism & Stalinism were a outgrowth) which states something like that :

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or the progress of whole nation a sect hampering the progress( refers to illiterate or poverty stricken people) must be eliminated ( thts why Stalin purges & the Gulags were present)!!

The documentary also reflects similarities b/w Stalinism & Nazism. The latter doctrine one can compare with that given above:

Anything undermining the health of Aryan race must be eradicated

 

[roadrunner]

Have you got some links to Stalin's Eugenic's plan? It is a fact that the Soviet Union was the only country in the world to outlaw Eugenics in the 1930s. Germany was the foremost practitioner of it.

 

[nightcrawler]

Have you got some links to Stalin's Eugenic's plan? It is a fact that the Soviet Union was the only country in the world to outlaw Eugenics in the 1930s. Germany was the foremost practitioner of it.

Just see the documentary in which careful newspaper cliparts are shown to prove similarities b/w Hitler & Stalin; both of which highly influenced by marxism practised eugenic policy albeit in a different manner

 

[roadrunner]

Could it not be propaganda?

I'm just asking for some links that Stalin practised Eugenics. I'd be surprised if he did because it was Soviet policy to outlaw Eugenics. They were one of the first countries to do so.

(it'll take too long to find and watch that film)

 

[boris]

stalin was a next generation model of hitler

 

[roadrunner]

One thing at a time.

Did Stalin invade anyone?

Did Stalin have a Eugenics program?

 

[boris]

One thing at a time.

Did Stalin invade anyone?

Did Stalin have a Eugenics program?

did stalin invade anyone??

->russia got its nuke in 1950 ,5 years after hiroshima,stalin didnt want to see another hiroshima for his own land.secondly except USA all countries till mid 1960's including britian,germany,japan,USSR were mending their economies which were ravaged by WW2 ,invading another country didnt seem a bright idea.

did stalin have a eugenics program??

->no he didnt ,firstly he wasnt so obsessed with his soviet race.secondly he had better things to do.thirdly a world image to maintain.

 

[roadrunner]

Right, so Stalin didn't invade anyone, Stalin didn't have a Eugenics program.

Yes, the parrallels with Hitler are so obvious now, aren't they?

 

[nightcrawler]

@roadgunner

It is often suggested that Lysenko's success came solely from the desire in the USSR to assert that heredity had only a limited role in human development; that future generations, living under socialism, would be purged of their 'bourgeois' or 'fascist' instincts. But Lysenko himself never purported that his views could be applied to human biology; they were relegated strictly to agriculture. He indeed attacked certain reductionist views of heredity, like eugenics, but only as bourgeois influences on science. Many scholarly works on Lysenkoism agree that it was not based on human genetics. Stalin, however, wanted to believe that Lysenkoism did apply to human genetics.

Lysenkoism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The last sentence clearly shows Stalin's infusion of Lysenkoism with Eugenics. Stalin surely will never openly declare an Eugenic supporter because to West it means a cruel punishment to people other than that of 'chosen' people. Stalin lied many a times; if one recalls he clearly lied about the the massive killing of polish soldiers & their accomplices.

Some scholars and politicians use the word Holodomor to emphasize the man-made aspects of the famine, arguing that it was genocide, and some consider the events comparable to the Holocaust.[15]

The total estimate of the famine victims Soviet-wide is given as 6-7 million[21] or 6-8 million.[4] The Soviet Union long denied that the famine had taken place. The NKVD (and later KGB) archives on the Holodomor period made records available very slowly. The exact number of the victims remains unknown and is probably impossible to estimate, even within a margin of error of a hundred thousand.[59] The media sometimes report historians' estimates of fatalities as high as seven to ten million.

Holodomor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The peasantry class was precisely attacked to feed the urban population back in central USSR; 7*10^6 being starved to death!!

This was also an era of mass epidemics in the growing urban centers. The obsession within racist ideologies on finding scapegoats, the excessive valuing of ethnic authenticity and purity, denouncing “mixing” and defending against contamination from “outsiders” to the group resonated with society-widephobias. But it would be a mistake to connect the dehumanizing frames inherentin genocide to one historical era. Dehumanization, whatever the time or context,necessitates the use of non-human ascriptive labels: Nazi extermination of Jewish“vermin”, Soviet “liquidation” of “kulak spiders”, Pol Pot’s crushing of “worms”,the Hutu killing of “cockroaches”.

Lemkin’s notion that genocide could also be applied to the
extermination of “social collectivities” was dropped, for this was seen as a euphemism for “class war” by the USSR. The Nuremburg Trials’ inclusion of “political” groups in the crime of “extermination” was also abandoned. The Stalinist regime of the Soviet Union had conducted in the early 1930s one of the worst (in numerical terms) genocides in history by its extermination of “kulaks” (nominally “wealthy peasants”), which included the Holodomor famine
genocide in Ukraine (Conquest, 1987). Due to the USSR’s opposition to the inclusion of “political” groups as a protected category, and to secure the passing of the Convention at the General Assembly, its framers settled on a narrow definition of the groups covered and thereby intentionally excluded not only political, but also cultural linguistic and socio-economic groups (Whitaker Report, 1985). The Holodomor genocide is an example of the paradoxical politicization of genocide that has been shaped by the narrow framing of the definition in the Convention. The Ukrainian peasantry was not specifically or disproportionally targeted by Stalinist dekulakization, which ravaged the Soviet peasantry in general, but the exclusion of political and social groups from the definition forced Ukrainian claimants to construct these historical events in national and ethnic terms.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=..._conflict_(LSERO_version).doc.pdf&chrome=true
Enough said; just over view the bold letters

 

[roadrunner]

Lysenkoism isn't really Eugenics. It was altering some characteristics of organisms (people) but not changing anything hereditary.

Anyhow Stalin had outlawed Eugenics. Why outlaw it if noone else had outlawed it?

 

[CardSharp]

SYNOPSIS

The film tells the story of the Soviet regime.

- The Great Famine in Ukraine (1932/33)
- The Katyn massacre (1940)
- The SS-KGB partnership [in the late 1930s the KGB was called NKVD, more info>]
- Soviet mass deportations
- Medical experiments in the GULAG.

These are just a few of the subjects covered in the film.

“The Soviet Story” also discusses the impact of the Soviet legacy on modern day Europe. Listen to experts and European MPs discussing the implications of a selective attitude towards mass murder; and meet a woman describing the burial of her new born son in a GULAG concentration camp.
The Soviet Story is a story of pain, injustice and “realpolitik”.

Stalin fine, but Lenin died in 1924 and all of the things you mention happened after his death. If you want to blame him for something you can blame him for purging "capitalist" peasants during the initial revolution.

 

[CardSharp]

One thing at a time.

Did Stalin invade anyone?

Finland and he did it very badly.