Why Israel’s Doomsday Nationalists Want To Destroy This

[dexter]

In 1994, an American-born Israeli settler walked into a Palestinian mosque in the city of Hebron and opened fire on the people praying there. His massacre changed the city forever. Today, Palestinians fear similar changes will be imposed on their most important national symbol: the Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem.

 

[PakFactor]

Those nations of a particular religion that can't protect there houses of worship do not deserve them, if its lost its lost, crying about it cause of one's weakness isn't going to change the situation. Ottomans and Arab Muslims were also at the forefront of saving Jews during WWII, had they been smart and sunk the ships and downed the planes carrying that filthy bastardized race we'd not be in this situation.

 

[Corruptistan]

Those nations of a particular religion that can't protect there houses of worship do not deserve them, if its lost its lost, crying about it cause of one's weakness isn't going to change the situation. Ottomans and Arab Muslims were also at the forefront of saving Jews during WWII, had they been smart and sunk the ships and downed the planes carrying that filthy bastardized race we'd not be in this situation.

Al-Aqsa is going nowhere neither are the Palestinians who combined outnumber the Jews in Palestine/Israel and West Bank/Gaza. Jews have had the upper hand for 74 years in Palestine out of 1400 years of Islamic history.

Most importantly, Islam/Muslims are going nowhere while many Jews (most) are abandoning their religion (Judaism) and culture and turning into Atheists whose sole existence resolves around money, temporary earthly pleasures etc. The useless Ultra-Orthodox Jews are also breeding like rats and will eventually turn Israel into a failed state. Already Israel suffers from a brain drain and migration/immigration for lots of reasons such as security, house prices, cramped living areas, climate change etc.

It is the same delusions that Bharat Ganga suffers from in relation to Kashmir and Kashmiris and the 250 million or so Indian Muslims that they believe will somehow disappear into thin air. Both Zionists and Hindutva fanatics are deluded idiots.

 

[hussain0216]

We have time and we have numbers

The oppression Israel is forcing upon the Palestinians will never be forgotten

Israel has to win everytime, all the time and that's impossible, power is not infinite

It will only need to slip up once

This apartheid can not be enforced forever and when they slip up the holocaust will be a fond memory compared to what they will go through for their crimes

 

[Foinikas]

Most importantly, Islam/Muslims are going nowhere while many Jews (most) are abandoning their religion (Judaism) and culture and turning into Atheists whose sole existence resolves around money, temporary earthly pleasures etc.

The thing with Jews is that contrary to Arabs or generally...everyone else in the world,they support each other. The diaspora cares for Israel and Israel has the best ties with the diaspora. Jews support each other everywhere. They have a sense of unity.

And during the Arab-Israeli Wars,the Arabs were so divided,scheming and lying to each other,while Israelis were fighting as one unit,caring for each other.

Look at Germans...had been divided into States until the late 19th century. Look at Greeks,during the revolution against the Turks,we started a civil war,scheming against each other. Look at the Arabs,look at the Turks. Look at almost everyone. You will not find a nation caring so much for the well-being and progress of its own people,putting its interests first and then the interests of other countries.

We have time and we have numbers

What time do you have? What do you mean you have time? You don't know what happens. Maybe a nuclear war will wipe out half the muslim world,just saying. Maybe you start fighting each other. Maybe you'll go to war with USA.

What do you mean you have time?

 

[Corruptistan]

The thing with Jews is that contrary to Arabs or generally...everyone else in the world,they support each other. The diaspora cares for Israel and Israel has the best ties with the diaspora. Jews support each other everywhere. They have a sense of unity.

And during the Arab-Israeli Wars,the Arabs were so divided,scheming and lying to each other,while Israelis were fighting as one unit,caring for each other.

Look at Germans...had been divided into States until the late 19th century. Look at Greeks,during the revolution against the Turks,we started a civil war,scheming against each other. Look at the Arabs,look at the Turks. Look at almost everyone. You will not find a nation caring so much for the well-being and progress of its own people,putting its interests first and then the interests of other countries.

That is a myth propagandized by Israeli/Jewish propaganda. Historically Jews were some of the most divided people on the planet hence they were spread across half of the planet. Living under the toes of foreign rulers for 90% of their history and 2500 + years. If they had been so united and strong, something like the Holocaust and countless of persecutions (ironically mostly in Europe not by Arabs or Muslims) would not have occurred.

I am also not sure if you are even aware of the racial divides among Jews which are substantial. There is even rivalry among Arab Jews (the majority of Israeli Jews) depending on which branch of Judaism they follow or Rabbinic tradition. Internal racism against African Jews such as Ethiopian Jews etc.

You cannot compare populistic Arab socialist dictatorships with a fully Western-backed country (Israel) with post-Holocaust obsession of survival and "never again attitude" fighting for their very SURVIVAL with 2-3 failed Arab socialist regimes. There is a reason why Arab monarchies, outside of Jordan next door, refrained from those stupid/unrealistic wars by large.

Also I am not sure that you are even aware of what kind of burden the ultra-conservative Jews are for the future of the Zionist entity. They make even the most hardcore Evangelists/most hardcore Salafists seem liberal.

I am not saying that Israel is going to disappear tomorrow but they have tons of problems long-term the way things stand right now. The West won't support Israel blindly forever either. More and more people in the West (Europe at least) are openly equating (and rightly so) Israel with the Apartheid system in South Africa.

Israel has no long-term option but recognize an independent Palestinian state and make peace with its Arab neighbors. There will come a time (just a question of time) when Arabs will also have nuclear weapons (old tech) and what then? The longer they keep acting as an Apartheid state the bigger the eventual blowback will be.

 

[Foinikas]

That is a myth propagandized by Israeli/Jewish propaganda. Historically Jews were some of the most divided people on the planet hence they were spread across half of the planet. Living under the toes of foreign rulers for 90% of their history and 2500 + years. If they had been so united and strong, something like the Holocaust and countless of persecutions (ironically mostly in Europe not by Arabs or Muslims) would not have occurred.

They have been united and strong and survived all these thousands of years. Not everything is propaganda. I see how much they support each other and how much they stick to their own people,while everyone else is fighting each other.

You cannot compare populistic Arab socialist dictatorships with a fully Western-backed country (Israel) with post-Holocaust obsession of survival and "never again attitude" fighting for their very SURVIVAL with 2-3 failed Arab socialist regimes. There is a reason why Arab monarchies, outside of Jordan next door, refrained from those stupid/unrealistic wars by large.

Oh now that's the problem? A few "failed Arab socialist dictatorships"? At least they tried to retake Palestine though. What were the rich sheikhs doing in the Gulf? They sent some help,they sent money. But didn't really care to join the war.

Also I am not sure that you are even aware of what kind of burden the ultra-conservative Jews are for the future of the Zionist entity. They make even the most hardcore Salafists seem liberal.

They are problematic to the secular Jewish State,but they too are part of Israel and they too are votes and money. And they have connections. A lot of connections to other countries.

They are more important to Israel than hardcore Salafis are to any muslim country.

 

[Corruptistan]

They have been united and strong and survived all these thousands of years. Not everything is propaganda. I see how much they support each other and how much they stick to their own people,while everyone else is fighting each other.


Oh now that's the problem? A few "failed Arab socialist dictatorships"? At least they tried to retake Palestine though. What were the rich sheikhs doing in the Gulf? They sent some help,they sent money. But didn't really care to join the war.


They are problematic to the secular Jewish State,but they too are part of Israel and they too are votes and money. And they have connections. A lot of connections to other countries.

They are more important to Israel than hardcore Salafis are to any muslim country.

Being weak, divided, ruled by foreigners and without a land for 2500 years is not exactly my definiton of "unity" and "sticking" together. If your definition of sticking together is merely surviving as a people and culture, then all the world's distinct ethnic groups (in the 1000's) can say the same thing, expect for them not being stateless for most of their recorded time, scattered across the world, persecuted, mass-murdered without much fight etc.

Of course they were failed entities. You said it yourself, they were backstabbing each other and incompetent hence they lost. Saudi Arabia was involved directly in 1948 which was the least painful Arab defeat.

As for "Gulf Arabs", they were the same people who conquered Palestine and ruled it for 1000 years and altered that area forever on every front and gave birth to Palestinians as well (fusion of Arabians, local existing pre-Islamic Arabs of Southern Levant and native Semitic peoples). The same Arabs of the Gulf have been supporting Palestine economically more than anyone else as well as hosting millions of them. All while not bordering Israel directly. In particular Saudi Arabia has been doing a lot.

Yes, those ultra-orthodox Jews that don't work, get 10 + children, refuse military service, isolate themselves etc. have "connections" and are a great contribution to a state. Ok.

 

[Hydration]

Oh now that's the problem? A few "failed Arab socialist dictatorships"? At least they tried to retake Palestine though. What were the rich sheikhs doing in the Gulf? They sent some help,they sent money. But didn't really care to join the war.

They did help cutting of supply of oil to the world. SA sent thousands of soliders to the syrian front so did iraq. a few iraqi strike planes on the Egyptian front in the first days of the war then diverted to syria. The Gulf did alot you really cant count them out they joined the war. Atleast saudi who had manpower

 

[Foinikas]

Yes, those ultra-orthodox Jews that don't work, get 10 + children, refuse military service, isolate themselves etc. have "connections" and are a great contribution to a state. Ok.

Israeli politicians can't get rid of them. They depend on their votes,they depend on forming coalitions and support from them,politically. Their chief rabbis and other members have connections in the diaspora. There's certain influence.
As for the army,yes that's a problem,but at least there are Haredi units.

They did help cutting of supply of oil to the world. SA sent thousands of soliders to the syrian front so did iraq. a few iraqi strike planes on the Egyptian front in the first days of the war then diverted to syria. The Gulf did alot you really cant count them out they joined the war. Atleast saudi who had manpower

Yes,I mentioned they sent some forces and money. But they didn't go to war fully,like the others did for example.

 

[Hydration]

Yes,I mentioned they sent some forces and money. But they didn't go to war fully,like the others did for example.

no can do when you dont have shared borders or manpower like Egypt and Syria. Besides their economic and political standpoint was more than enough just added troops in Syria to put the cherry ontop
If there is one country i will have to honor it will be Iraq along with the Arabic Maghereb. They were really effective skilled warriors just Syrian command wasn't as effective

 

[Corruptistan]

Israeli politicians can't get rid of them. They depend on their votes,they depend on forming coalitions and support from them,politically. Their chief rabbis and other members have connections in the diaspora. There's certain influence.
As for the army,yes that's a problem,but at least there are Haredi units.


Yes,I mentioned they sent some forces and money. But they didn't go to war fully,like the others did for example.

My main points remain the same, I am afraid.

As for you not being aware of Saudi Arabian contribution to the wars, is quite surprising given that King Saud (who was banished from Saudi Arabia for corruption and over spending) died in exile in Greece. This coupled with Saudi Arabian/Peninsula Arab investments in Greece for many decades.

Nowadays I do believe that Greece is especially interested in having cordial ties with Saudi Arabia. After all you are neighbors in the wider geography, in particular Cyprus.

They did help cutting of supply of oil to the world. SA sent thousands of soliders to the syrian front so did iraq. a few iraqi strike planes on the Egyptian front in the first days of the war then diverted to syria. The Gulf did alot you really cant count them out they joined the war. Atleast saudi who had manpower

BTW, when I wrote "failed" I mean that Ba'athism and Arab socialism failed as ideologies and mostly the countries ruled by that ideology were ruled as dictatorships. In the case of Al-Assad a family dynasty within a minority (Alawites) that rule the majority.

Idiots like Gaddafi, Al-Assad Senior even supported an Islamist non-Arab Mullah regime in Iran over an Arab secular Baa'thi neighbor (Iraq) state under Saddam Hussein. Talk about betrayal.

Or when those same Arab socialist "republics" were busy preaching Arab unity while trying to abolish Arab monarchies just for political reasons. I don't recall those same monarchies trying to abolish them. Makes zero sense.

 

[Hydration]

BTW, when I wrote "failed" I mean that Ba'athism and Arab socialism failed as ideologies and mostly the countries ruled by that ideology were ruled as dictatorships. In the case of Al-Assad a family dynasty within a minority (Alawites) that rule the majority.

Idiots like Gaddafi, Al-Assad Senior even supported an Islamist non-Arab Mullah regime in Iran over an Arab secular Baa'thi neighbor (Iraq) state under Saddam Hussein. Talk about betrayal.

Or when those same Arab socialist "republics" were busy preaching Arab unity while trying to abolish Arab monarchies just for political reasons. I don't recall those same monarchies trying to abolish them. Makes zero sense.

I am not intrested in politics mate. Or ideologies. All I know is that Saddam was warned he invades kuwait the US will take this as a barganing chip to start clearing way for regimes like iran and israel to expand and for the US to take oil and save the dollar. Well guess Mubarak's and the mukhabarat's estimate got on ground. I dont support Saudis money flowing over groups in destroyed Syria in the past some is still flowing but decreased significantly. Assad is starting to realize what Iran is after hence the recent meetings with the gulf.

 

[Foinikas]

As for you not being aware of Saudi Arabian contribution to the wars,

I was talking about the same level participation as Egypt,Syria,Jordan,Lebanon etc. Of course that's not realistic,but since1948,Palestine has become the cause of the Arabs. Sometimes I wonder if the whole Gulf community had gone to war,if it would have helped turned the tide of war.

 

[Corruptistan]

I am not intrested in politics mate. Or ideologies. All I know is that Saddam was warned he invades kuwait the US will take this as a barganing chip to start clearing way for regimes like iran and israel to expand and for the US to take oil and save the dollar. Well guess Mubarak's and the mukhabarat's estimate got on ground. I dont support Saudis money flowing over groups in destroyed Syria in the past some is still flowing but decreased significantly. Assad is starting to realize what Iran is after hence the recent meetings with the gulf.

I am talking about the Iraq-Iran war. Syria, a Ba'athi ruled Arab state and supposed Arab nationalist ruled state, supported a non-Arab, non-secular Mullah-ruled Iran over an Arab neighbor in Iraq. How do you explain this? This is one of the reasons why I wrote incompetence. Or Gaddafi supporting a non-Arab Iran over Iraq. How do you explain such policies by secular Arab nationalists like Gaddafi and Hafiz Al-Assad? Even Egypt had problems with Gaddafi if I recall.

Kuwait invasion happened in 1991. Not related to what I wrote.

Saudi Arabia/Gulf (outside of Qatar) stopped any kind of support to Syrian opposition groups in 2016 when they realized that it was a MB project backed by Erdogan. In their eyes at least. Bashar al-Assad helped destroy Syria, I am afraid, just to stay in power. He should have stepped aside like Mubarak did in Egypt peacefully. This would have saved Syria. Now he helped destroy Syria and on top of that he invited foreigners (Russia and Iran) that now help keep him alive.

I don't think that the Gulf will ever trust him again. The Gulf, from what I have read, were warning Assad of implementing reforms, of the impending drought etc. He never reacted. This is the same Al-Assad regime that once occupied Lebanon for 20 + years.

Bashar al-Assad is the main culprit here.

I was talking about the same level participation as Egypt,Syria,Jordan,Lebanon etc. Of course that's not realistic,but since1948,Palestine has become the cause of the Arabs. Sometimes I wonder if the whole Gulf community had gone to war,if it would have helped turned the tide of war.

No chance. Too small populations (back then), less militarized than the secular Arab republics and no direct borders with Israel even though Saudi Arabia almost borders Palestine/Israel.

Actually to cal it an Arab-Israeli conflict is wrong. It was mostly Egypt/Syria/Jordan with Egypt bearing the biggest brunt. Iraq also contributed and Saudi Arabia, Algeria and a few others. Anyway no disrespect to the Arabs but it was bad planning from the start hence it ended like it did.