Why is the US constantly sowing discord in South China Sea?

[Aepsilons]

And has it been always that the Britain's economy was 1/10 the size of the US? According to the US commerce department, GDP growth in 2014 was 2.4%. 4.5% is a quarterly number. To expect US economy to grow above 4% on average for the next century, or even the next decade would be absurd.

"The U.S. economy grew at a 5.0 percent clip in the third quarter, its quickest pace in 11 years and the strongest sign yet that growth has decisively shifted into higher gear.

Some of the strength appears to have been sustained, with other data on Tuesday showing consumer spending rising solidly in November, offsetting surprisingly weak durable goods orders.

The reports further set the U.S. economy apart from the rest of the world, where growth is sputtering or activity shrinking.

"Our economy is firing on most cylinders, whereas the global economy is essentially in dire need of a spark," said Ryan Sweet, a senior economist at Moody's Analytics in West Chester Pennsylvania. "




Third-quarter U.S. economic growth strongest in 11 years| Reuters

It's not 4.5, from the sources I seen, it ranges, but never touching 4. There's an article on that, China adds more a year than the US.

5% growth in last quarter, actually. Not bad.

 

[jhungary]

I don't think it is right for the only country which has used a nuclear weapon, has engaged in war almost every 10-15 years of its existence or even fewer to wield so much influence over the world. I would like to know if most of the nations are in favor of the 219 countries in which the US has military bases or troops across the world. There were protests in Japan too over some incidents. There are over 1000 US bases outside America.

Most of these bases exist while the people of the country object. In Pakistan I know people vehemently reject US presense on their soil, yet the government keeps dealing double.

How you come up with US have 1000 bases outside America?

Infact, minus defence pact partner (Which they invited the United States present) and oversea American bases, There are only 10 to 14 (depend ing on how you count them) 2 or 4 (if you count joint base seperately )in Japan, 2 in South Korea, 1 in Diego Garcia and 1 in Antarctica and the rest are in Afghanistan and Africa...

And US does not have bases in 219 countries, the world dont even have 219 countries...lol

I dont understand why people uses GDP figure as a measurement as to how powerful one country is?

Do any of you actually know what is GDP?

How much money one citizens earn put together does not mean anything, trade, economy and world influence is connected but not affecting each other. New Zealand GDP is more than that or Vietnam, but i am pretty sure if Vietnam goes to war with Newzeland, vietnam is going to win lol..

GDP is only one factor in world politic, its not an absolute to determine ones power solely..

 

[Zsari]

"The U.S. economy grew at a 5.0 percent clip in the third quarter, its quickest pace in 11 years and the strongest sign yet that growth has decisively shifted into higher gear.

Some of the strength appears to have been sustained, with other data on Tuesday showing consumer spending rising solidly in November, offsetting surprisingly weak durable goods orders.

The reports further set the U.S. economy apart from the rest of the world, where growth is sputtering or activity shrinking.

"Our economy is firing on most cylinders, whereas the global economy is essentially in dire need of a spark," said Ryan Sweet, a senior economist at Moody's Analytics in West Chester Pennsylvania. "




Third-quarter U.S. economic growth strongest in 11 years| Reuters



5% growth in last quarter, actually. Not bad.

That's the 3rd quarter, the last quarter's growth was 2.6%. Such figure cannot be sustained annually. The growth forecast for the US is 2.9% for 2015 and 2.5% for 2016, which is as good as it'll get.

As the democratization of technology and production capability continues, the decline of the US economy relative to other nation is but inevitable.

 

[Aepsilons]

That's the 3rd quarter, the last quarter's growth was 2.6%. Such figure cannot be sustained annually. The growth forecast for the US is 2.9% for 2015 and 2.5% for 2016, which is as good as it'll get.

As the democratization of technology and production capability continues, the decline of the US economy relative to other nation is but inevitable.

IMF projects US economic growth around 3.6% for 2015. So it is within the 4% growth range. Again, this is just a projected estimate, one has to take into consideration the standard deviation -- or the measure of dispersion and is the average amount of points by which the score (actual growth rate) of a distribution will vary from the actual mean. If the US economy maintains its growth this quarter, then there is no reason why it can't sustain a 3-5% growth range. By the way, to an advanced developed economy like the United States' is a lot.

As it stands, the US GDP is $17.25 Trillion. If it maintains a projected 4% growth --- thats an additional $700 Billion (US Dollars) added into the Economy. LOL!



For some actual data with quantitative backing:
http://www.newsweek.com/imf-lowers-2015-global-economic-growth-prediction-300874

 

[Zsari]

How you come up with US have 1000 bases outside America?

Infact, minus defence pact partner (Which they invited the United States present) and oversea American bases, There are only 10 to 14 (depend ing on how you count them) 2 or 4 (if you count joint base seperately )in Japan, 2 in South Korea, 1 in Diego Garcia and 1 in Antarctica and the rest are in Afghanistan and Africa...

And US does not have bases in 219 countries, the world dont even have 219 countries...lol

I dont understand why people uses GDP figure as a measurement as to how powerful one country is?

Do any of you actually know what is GDP?

How much money one citizens earn put together does not mean anything, trade, economy and world influence is connected but not affecting each other. New Zealand GDP is more than that or Vietnam, but i am pretty sure if Vietnam goes to war with Newzeland, vietnam is going to win lol..

GDP is only one factor in world politic, its not an absolute to determine ones power solely..

According to Pentagon accounting, there are 662 overseas bases in 38 foreign countries.

BTW, I'm pretty sure New Zealand would beat Vietnam in open sea with ease. Geography & population plays a bigger role in ground war.

 

[dichoi]

bcz china is a big troubles maker here in SCS.

 

[Aepsilons]

According to Pentagon accounting, there are 662 overseas bases in 38 foreign countries.

BTW, I'm pretty sure New Zealand would beat Vietnam in open sea with ease. Geography & population plays a bigger role in ground war.

With what? New Zealand's Navy is composed and centered on 2 frigates. Vietnam's Navy is larger than that and has greater offensive as well as defensive fire power. Their patrol vehicles (NZ's) aren't even the size of heavy corvettes and neither do they have a sub force. Please don't just spew unsupported jargon.

 

[Zsari]

With what? New Zealand's Navy is composed and centered on 2 frigates. Vietnam's Navy is larger than that and has greater offensive as well as defensive fire power. Their patrol vehicles (NZ's) aren't even the size of heavy corvettes and neither do they have a sub force. Please don't just spew unsupported jargon.

Again, too shortsighted, fixation on what one has rather than future potential. NZ's military budget is 1% of GDP compare to Vietnam's 5%. If tension arises that calls for armament, I'll put my money on NZ.

 

[Aepsilons]

Tensions won't arise because New Zealand is allied with Australia and the United States through ANZUS. But for contextual purposes, minus the strategic alliance New Zealand has with Australia and the United States, there is no comparison in military between New Zealand and Vietnam ; the latter has a greater air force, larger navy, and larger ground force, the former barely has a military, more so a patrol force. Additionally the former has a population of no more than 4.9 million, whereas the latter is in excess of 90 million. New Zealand ranks 85th in fire power, whereas Vietnam ranks 23rd (the closer to 1, the stronger, LOL). Pound per pound, Vietnam has a significant qualitative and quantitative edge in terms of military praxis.


New Zealand Military Strength

Vietnam Military Strength



Cheers.

 

[70U63]

1. They put the oil rig there because they believe that area belong to them. Vietnam had response for the same reason. That's why i said this is sovereign issue, not freedom of navigation. You are an Asian living in western country, i think you know how sensationalism of various medias are.

2. If you get too close to the oil rig (safety and sovereign issue), they had response by sending some ships to prevent you to getting into that area. Just some ramming (just like Indonesia burnt some illegal fishing boats), not a big deal.

3. All local and international media making full noise, politician and normal citizen jumping up and down, which doesn't solve the problem except want the world attention to get their support.

4. In South China Sea issue, i personally believe China is kind of late to the 'party'. If you look at the Islands your country currently hold, which is outnumber to other surrounding countries.

5. China couldn't take back those Islands except via small scale war or closed-door dealing (diplomatic). They wouldn't start a war unless other party fire the first bullet (no false flag, boat ramming, water cannon doesn't count). Their (bigger than others) patrol boats are more than enough to handle everyone.

6. Or we can learn from Vietnam did to Philippine long time ago, by inviting them to your Island, when they were not around, you took their Island.

7. It is funny to notice China, Vietnam and Philippine try to keep the issue warm from time to time; Malaysia government completely ignore the issue (closed door diplomatic with various parties).

 

[sicsheep]

Just because i dont go with your flow does that means i have to change my DNA with it?

I dont see whats the different between you and me, except we have different view thats all. I dont realise the prerequisite of being Chinese have to be all of them thinking the same thing and goes in one direction

There are many different American have different point of view, does that mean all american have to think the same thing? What next? Just because i ate hamburger and you go yum cha then i am not Chinese or American or whatever?

By the way discussing members nationality is not allow in posting section, have anything about what I call myself or my flag please go to specific post and ask the moderator for any action

請不要再在這裡討論國籍問題，谢謝

Having Chinese DNA doesn't make you Chinese, do Americans call themselves Europeans, do Australian call themselves British?

Eating hamburger doesn't make you anything, but you swore oath under American flag, so don't give us the Chinese DNA crap.

 

[Zsari]

Tensions won't arise because New Zealand is allied with Australia and the United States through ANZUS. But for contextual purposes, minus the strategic alliance New Zealand has with Australia and the United States, there is no comparison in military between New Zealand and Vietnam ; the latter has a greater air force, larger navy, and larger ground force, the former barely has a military, more so a patrol force. Additionally the former has a population of no more than 4.9 million, whereas the latter is in excess of 90 million. New Zealand ranks 85th in fire power, whereas Vietnam ranks 23rd (the closer to 1, the stronger, LOL). Pound per pound, Vietnam has a significant qualitative and quantitative edge in terms of military praxis.


New Zealand Military Strength

Vietnam Military Strength



Cheers.

One always wonder what was Japan thinking attacking a nation that has a much bigger economy, I guess we have the answer now. "If only we can destroy their Pacific fleet, we'll out rank them significantly in terms of military strength." Lol. War is about attrition, war is about economy. Unfortunately someone has to find that out the hard way over and over again, even to this day.

 

[TaiShang]

Discord sells weapons. Instability prompts fund managers looking for safe-havens
US is tricking everyone in the area into the trap by posing China as the threat for advancing its own agenda so America keeps on cooking up tensions in SCS. Some countries are glad to subscribe to the idea for their hidden ambitions and political gains at the expense of China's national interests.

China is at the sole receiving end of all the bullies

You definition is grossly uneducated and very limited

Very true, my friend. Fear-mongering is the US business as their foreign policy seems to run out of other options. To sell TPP, fear-mongering. To sell the Pivot, fear-mongering.

It think Chinese members should do what I do, just press the ignore button, your life quality will be much better. My ignore list is so long now.

All I see on this page is good news, and @Cossack25A1 pretty much the last Filipino member I haven't ignored, there's one or two more.

Now I'm happy on this forum.

If they tag me or quote me, I won't see it anyways.

That works, indeed. Rule number one, do not quote them. That will extend the trolling. Just report them if they break any forum rules. Rule number two, if trolling persists, just click on the ignore button.

Actually this is a good sign of a waning power that it is asking its junior partners to share the cost of maintaining its global empire. This would be unimaginable during its heyday. Reminds me of a crumbling empire authorizing warlords to field armies in order to defend the empire, a frequent occurrence in Chinese history that spell the end.

LOL. Reminds me of host country fee. That's new in the tradition of imperialist expansion: The client state is the right term for those fear-mongered nations.

AWWWWW !!! The Chinese can't take the 'pressure' ? Poor babies. You want to be in the big league ? Then it's time to put some 'big boy pants' on and shut your suck hole.

The post has been reported for its racist, insulting and disrespectful content. @Hu Songshan , @Horus , @WebMaster , sirs please deal with the filth spewed.

On topic: China is in the South China Sea and extending its strength and influence there by leaps and bounds. Have you heard of patriotic fish? LOL

ecns.cn

Residents buy fishes raised by a team led under retired professor Lin Zailiang on the Meiqi Reef in South China Sea in Fuzhou, East China’s Fujian province, Feb 10, 2015. Since 2007, Lin has led three relatives and nine fishermen from Pingtan county to raise fish on the reef, 1,000 kilometers away from Sanya city in Hainan province. For three years in a row, Lin brought fishes to sell in Fuzhou before the Spring Festival, China’s Lunar New Year. More than 3.5 tons of fishes, which win the reputation of ”patriotic fishes,” were sold out in less than two hours. [Photo: China News Service/Liu Kegeng]

 

[Viet]

BTW, I'm pretty sure New Zealand would beat Vietnam in open sea with ease. Geography & population plays a bigger role in ground war.

I can´t prevent you from believing to whatever you like and please.
if you believe the navy of new zealand with 2 frigates can beat vietnam navy, well, so be it.

I believe, too, chinese navy has no chance against brunei, considering your past ugly performance.

Tensions won't arise because New Zealand is allied with Australia and the United States through ANZUS. But for contextual purposes, minus the strategic alliance New Zealand has with Australia and the United States, there is no comparison in military between New Zealand and Vietnam ; the latter has a greater air force, larger navy, and larger ground force, the former barely has a military, more so a patrol force. Additionally the former has a population of no more than 4.9 million, whereas the latter is in excess of 90 million. New Zealand ranks 85th in fire power, whereas Vietnam ranks 23rd (the closer to 1, the stronger, LOL). Pound per pound, Vietnam has a significant qualitative and quantitative edge in terms of military praxis.


New Zealand Military Strength

Vietnam Military Strength



Cheers.

we have 3,200 tanks, and increase to 4,000 by adding T-72/90 tanks, while New Zealand has zero.

The United States is not a crumbling power or populated with warlords. Don't be imbecilic. The United States will continue to have influence in this region as by her existential nature, America is a Maritime and Pacific Power. Her 7TH Fleet calls the vast Pacific Ocean its natural waters , her nuclear sub wolf packs are active here with relative impunity. The United States is not retreating from the Asia-Pacific Region, nay, she is deploying 60% of her Naval Assets here.

It is best to understand its nature, its goals, and how to live with this reality. The sooner the better.

exactly, the US will continue to stay here as Pacific Power and policeman. Nothing gonna change it,

 

[Aepsilons]

One always wonder what was Japan thinking attacking a nation that has a much bigger economy, I guess we have the answer now. "If only we can destroy their Pacific fleet, we'll out rank them significantly in terms of military strength." Lol. War is about attrition, war is about economy. Unfortunately someone has to find that out the hard way over and over again, even to this day.

One always wonder what was Japan thinking attacking a nation that has a much bigger economy, I guess we have the answer now. "If only we can destroy their Pacific fleet, we'll out rank them significantly in terms of military strength." Lol. War is about attrition, war is about economy. Unfortunately someone has to find that out the hard way over and over again, even to this day.

lol, and of course this had anything to do with our conversation?