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Why is China still a developing country?

Xinhua
2018-06-05

Over 40 years of reform and opening-up, China has experienced an unprecedented growth, transforming from a relatively poor country to the world's second largest economy and the largest trader in goods.

But it still has a long way to go before it becomes a "developed economy."

China is a country with booming cities like Shanghai and Shenzhen. But it is also a country with many poor counties and villages.

At the historic 19th National Congress of the Communist Party of China, Xi Jinping, general secretary of the CPC Central Committee, said China's international status as the world's largest developing country has not changed.

A government anti-poverty campaign has lifted more than 68 million people out of poverty over the past five years alone. But as of 2017, over 30 million Chinese, the equivalent of half of France's entire population, still lived below the poverty line.

Even for those who have risen out of extreme poverty, many still struggle to meet their basic daily needs, especially rural Chinese.

China's economic growth has been unbalanced, with cities on the coast growing robustly and many other regions remaining underdeveloped.

After a visit to China's west, International Monetary Fund senior consultant Nigel Chalk pointed out in 2010 how remarkably diverse the country was. It was hard to believe China was a developing country if one had only seen Shanghai. But further inland, things looked completely different. In the country's rural areas, many people still struggled to get by.

Eight years on, despite the epic changes that have taken place in China, that observation still applies. China faces the same problems that all other developing countries do: Most Chinese spend a high portion of their incomes just on food, they have a hard time finding good quality health care and have to fight pollution, and welfare benefits are few and far between.

As Zhu Lijia, a public policy professor at the Chinese Academy of Governance, put it, compared with developed economies, China still lags far behind in important sectors like public services, law enforcement and social welfare.

Assessing GDP per capita is the primary way to determine whether a country is "developed" or not. China has the second largest GDP in the world, but its 1.4 billion people have to share that wealth.

Last year, China's GDP per capita was just over US$8,800, less than the world average of US$10,000, and just one seventh of that of the United States.

Zhu says that a country must have a GDP per capita higher than US$12,700 to be considered a developed economy and higher than US$40,000 to be considered a highly developed nation.

China still falls well below that mark.

Source: Xinhua Editor: Chen Xiaoli

https://www.shine.cn/opinion/chinese-views/1806055848/
 
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The answer is simple. The Chinese did not integrate and make available their rapid growth to all Chinese. They only focused on developing their urban economy and ignored the rural population.
 
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The answer is simple. The Chinese did not integrate and make available their rapid growth to all Chinese. They only focused on developing their urban economy and ignored the rural population.

You and your 'India is more inclusive, India HDI 0.8 by 2030 due to widespread development' BS again.

China's youth literacy rate is 99.7% in 2015, while India's is 89.7%. India's adult literacy rate is 75% while China's is at 97%.

What inclusive growth are you talking about when a quarter of your population and a tenth of your youth can't even read and write?

To me education is the most important social leveler. As long as there's education, there's the hope of economic mobility. Whether it's investments in your area or you move to other places in the future. Hukou can be easily tweaked or abolished, but not the general level of education.

Building infrastructure is easy, but eradicating illiteracy is hard. A illiterate or lowly educated adult will most likely remain so for most of their lives, because adults learn slower and has little time to further education.

Even tiny Singapore with many years of being a developed country still has many illiterate elderly. Same with HK. Our education index in the HDI composite is even lower than Russia or Ukraine in 2013.

Yet you keep on bragging about 0.8 HDI by 2030, or how India's average population will be more educated than Singapore's or HK's average population in 2015 by 2030.

Where I think India can be in 2030. More or less the max possible by this time.
Life expectancy = 80 years
Mean years school = 12 years
Expected years = 17 years
Even for a small and developed country like Singapore, our Education Index remains far lower than other developed countries, ranking even lower than Russia, Ukraine or Poland in 2013.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Index

That's because we only reached developed status in the 1990s. We were still poor in the 60s and 70s and many adults today who grew up during/before that era didn't receive much education. Some elder generation are even first generation migrant from China, who are totally illiterate when they arrive in Singapore.

Here's the figure for Singapore in 2015.

Mean years of schooling: 11.6
Expected years of schooling: 15.4

http://hdr.undp.org/en/composite/HDI

HK is in similar position too, with a large number of old people with little education.

Mean years of schooling: 11.6
Expected years of schooling: 15.6

Singapore and HK still has some way to go to catch up to other developed countries such as Germany in terms of years of schooling. It will take decades.

Yet this guy believes that India with hundreds of millions of illiterate adults today will surpass Singapore and HK in mean years of schooling (12 years) and expected years of schooling (17 years) by 2030.

It depends on where the focus is. Plus our population is younger.

You can expect all school going children today in India to graduate with some sort of degree by 2030.

Ok. India will be more educated than Singapore and HK by 2030.

Every children in school today in India will graduate with some degree? Geez, how out of touch this guy is with the rest of his fellow countrymen? The illiterate youth and adult of today will die out by 2030 to pull up the average significantly?
 
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You and your 'India is more inclusive, India HDI 0.8 by 2030 due to widespread development' BS again.

China's youth literacy rate is 99.7% in 2015, while India's is 89.7%. India's adult literacy rate is 75% while China's is at 97%.

What inclusive growth are you talking about when a quarter of your population and a tenth of your youth can't even read and write?

To me education is the most important social leveler. As long as there's education, there's the hope of economic mobility. Whether it's investments in your area or you move to other places in the future. Hukou can be easily tweaked or abolished, but not the general level of education.

Building infrastructure is easy, but eradicating illiteracy is hard. A illiterate or lowly educated adult will most likely remain so for most of their lives, because adults learn slower and has little time to further education.

Even tiny Singapore with many years of being a developed country still has many illiterate elderly. Same with HK. Our education index in the HDI composite is even lower than Russia or Ukraine in 2013.

Yet you keep on bragging about 0.8 HDI by 2030, or how India's average population will be more educated than Singapore's or HK's average population in 2015 by 2030.
I remember we debated with this delusional guy before... He is definitely one of the most delusional day dreamers I ever encountered...
 
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The answer is simple. The Chinese did not integrate and make available their rapid growth to all Chinese. They only focused on developing their urban economy and ignored the rural population.

Don't worry, we will show you how it's done. We will have a proper economy with a VHDI running by 2030, when we are at best half of China's GDP.

Quality growth is completely different.

We get it, India is a supreme ultra-power 2012. So what are you doing in a thread about a developing country like China?
 
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Your country was built on dreams in the first place.
Man, your dreams are too ridiculous... China now has 5 times larger economy than you, how can you reach half China's economy within one decade? What kind of growth rate you should have? Even if China stop growing which is impossible given that our growth rate is higher than yours at this moment....
 
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There are trolls in this forum knowing that they are trolling, but this guy seems to genuinely believe in what he says.
Yes. This is what I am most surprised about this guy... He always talk about "demographic dividend", bla bla... Seems like a typical deeply brainwashed indian who never get a chance to travel abroad...
 
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The answer is simple. The Chinese did not integrate and make available their rapid growth to all Chinese. They only focused on developing their urban economy and ignored the rural population.
No, what you said is exactly what India did.
You should read about how China pulled millions out of poverty. There are some Indians who were even awed by the feat. Perhaps not the Indian members in this forum.
 
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Yes. This is what I am most surprised about this guy... He always talk about "demographic dividend", bla bla... Seems like a typical deeply brainwashed indian who never get a chance to travel abroad...

Rather than travelling abroad, he should spend more time and money travelling around his own country's rural areas.
 
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Rather than travelling abroad, he should spend more time and money travelling around his own country's rural areas.
Exactly. Every time I heard someone from a country like india echoing those from the developed world bashing about China' rural development, and cheap labor from countryside, I always laugh to death... Our rural farmers live like kings compared to their so-called "middle class":
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...er-than-prison-cells/articleshow/60250531.cms
 
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