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Why India Will Not Be Pakistan 2.0 in U.S. Asia Policy

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Despite turning page for a new chapter in U.S.-India ties, New Delhi will not replace Islamabad as Washington's willing and subservient ally in an increasingly complex world. Here's why.

MARCH 6, 2015

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Key observers in New Delhi and Washington agree that President Obama’s visit to India in January has monumental significance for the future direction of U.S.-Indian relations. While it is being hailed as a ‘new chapter’ in U.S.-Indian relations, the current dynamic between the two countries is not without its critics. Predictably, the left-leaning parties in India spewed vitriolics about Obama’s visit, thanks to their consistent opposition to American policies. Some within the opposition Congress Party have called this a ‘desperate move’ to distract attention from the assembly polls. Others have made fateful claims that India will become another Pakistan especially with the current U.S.-Russian tensions and the fears of another possible Cold War.

The argument goes that with U.S.-Pakistan relations becoming increasingly difficult, with seemingly unfinished business still left in a troubled Afghanistan, and a militarily resurging China, India will take Pakistan’s role as a willing ally of Washington—warts and all—in an increasingly complex world. In the process, it might become as disrupted as its neighbor. While this viewpoint is immersed in heavy nostalgia of the nonalignment era, it is both pessimistic and faulty.

India will not become Pakistan 2.0 and here is why.





First,
strategic proximity to the United States is not equivalent to subservience. Even as Prime Minister Narendra Modi is forging closer ties with Washington, he is not budging from New Delhi’s core positions on aclimate change agreement or the Nuclear Liability Bill. Even when as an insurance pool of $250 million is being offered to nuclear suppliers, there seems to be very little possibility of scrapping the Liability Bill entirely for U.S. suppliers. Moreover, while India is extensively increasing its defense purchases from the United States, it is expected to begin co-development of a series of hardware articles in keeping with Modi’s ‘Make in India’ campaign.

Unlike the Cold War years, when Washington and New Delhi disputed over technology transfers, the co-making projects will promote technological cooperation between the two countries like never before. In other words, if the co-development projects materialize, then India will not be a mere defense importer of the United States.

Secondly,
the fragility of the Pakistani state over time is more culpable for its presently dire situation than its alliance with the United States. The collusion of the Pakistani military with some sections of the Taliban during the U.S.-led Global War on Terror has made the country today both a hotbed and tragic victim of Islamist extremism. Several of Washington’s key allies outside of NATO are recognized democracies—notably Israel, South Korea, Japan and Australia—with whom U.S. ties have been mostly stable and fruitful. India is not only the largest democracy in the world but it also has one of the fastest growing economies in the world. As a result, bilateral relations between the two countries are multi-faceted with defense ties being one of the many key aspects of the relationship, unlike in the Pakistani case.

Thirdly,
while the U.S.-India Joint Strategic Vision for the Asia-Pacific is a noteworthy effort that makes India a key stakeholder in the Obama administration’s Asian pivot to counterbalance China’s rising geopolitical ambitions in the region, it is not a novel U.S. strategy. Even when Pakistan was a key U.S. Cold War ally, until at least the Sino-U.S. rapprochement, Washington expected India to become an Asian counterweight to the ‘Chicoms’—as Washington referred to the Chinese Communists at that time—along with Japan. India’s unresponsiveness owing to its nonaligned policy together with Washington’s inattention to New Delhi estranged the democracies throughout much of the Cold War. Moreover, it was easier for the United States to inject military and economic aid to Pakistan than to resolve disputes with India, especially given the contrasting Cold War strategic mindsets in Washington and New Delhi at the time. In other words, the two countries finally seem ready and willing to jointly pursue their common geopolitical goals in Asia. These goals are independent of U.S.-Pakistan relations since the Asia-Pacific does not constitute Islamabad’s sphere of influence.



Modi’s action-oriented approach that was evident in his recent appointment of S. Jaishankar as the Indian foreign secretary, who had played a key role in the 2008 U.S.-India civilian nuclear agreement, demonstrates that he is keen to make bilateral relations a priority of Indian foreign policy.

Yet again, international politics is not a zero-sum game. It is not supposed to be. While last year Washington replaced Russia as India’s largest defense supplier, India still continues to receive a substantial part of its military hardware from Russia and will continue to do so in the coming years. Unfortunately, the United States may have to make accommodations for the Indo-Russian Cold War legacy. Such accommodation however will not be without its potential strategic utility.

At a time when U.S.-Russian relations are highly strained and a deal on Iran’s nuclear program is largely uncertain, Washington may stand to benefit from its newfound bonhomie with New Delhi, which has historically been on good terms. Much will depend on how the Modi government is able to bolster its words through actions, on the one hand, and how much the Obama administration is able de-hyphenate in its engagement with India on the other.


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Key observers in New Delhi and Washington agree that President Obama’s visit to India in January has monumental significance for the future direction of U.S.-Indian relations. While it is being hailed as a ‘new chapter’ in U.S.-Indian relations, the current dynamic between the two countries is not without its critics. Predictably, the left-leaning parties in India spewed vitriolics about Obama’s visit, thanks to their consistent opposition to American policies. Some within the opposition Congress Party have called this a ‘desperate move’ to distract attention from the assembly polls. Others have made fateful claims that India will become another Pakistan especially with the current U.S.-Russian tensions and the fears of another possible Cold War.

The argument goes that with U.S.-Pakistan relations becoming increasingly difficult, with seemingly unfinished business still left in a troubled Afghanistan, and a militarily resurging China, India will take Pakistan’s role as a willing ally of Washington—warts and all—in an increasingly complex world. In the process, it might become as disrupted as its neighbor. While this viewpoint is immersed in heavy nostalgia of the nonalignment era, it is both pessimistic and faulty.

Why would you waste everyone' time by posting this thread? India and Pakistan have two different roles in the world, they are two different countries two entirely different situations.
The West looks at India as a trade partner, where their businesses have the potential of making billions of dollars. How true that is? Time will tell. The IT and BPO industries have made billions for the US but that's not because of the Indian market. That's because of the Western Markets outsourcing to cheaper labor in India.

In my opinion, Indian businesses have grown to a degree that "made in India" will kick Western companies ****es so that dream of making billions out of the Indian economy will prove out to be a pipe dream. India, however will milk the West, just like it has been. Good for India and sucks for the West, who are gone almost blind on hoping to capture the Indian market. But nevertheless, the India is seen as a trade partner in the West.

Pakistan on the other hand, is seen as a must have to work with, for the WOT. Again, how long this support will go, only time will tell. Pakistan has also supported all US requests, from the Russian times (U2's) till post 911.

But it doesn't have that status that India enjoys due to crippling economy and corruption over decades, and the fact that the military rule never let a civilian, modern and tolerant face of Pakistan surface on the planet.

This will change in the next three years as the Chinese trade route will bring about a huge opportunity for the Western investors, the terrorism is dying down due to the national focus against it (finally), the exploration of minerals, like Iron, Copper and Gold, along with power needs in Pakistan with Shale reserves, has put it back on the map where the West has started to show interest again in Pakistan. And they have decided to separate India from Pakistan so they can sell to both. It'll be a few years of economic growth before you can see "real love" from the West.

So both the nation's are entirely different to the West in terms of goals and objectives. And their importance at this time is very different to the US / West. India has a lot more leverage due to her much larger economy, cash available, billions in different projects, a potential hedge against the Chinese (although I don't see it, I think India will become better friends with the Chinese and will just do "supportive talk" to the West when time comes for a real conflict). But two different scenarios. VERY different indeed!!
 
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Right! But those big guns aren't firing for Pakistan! :P

Oh they have started to, the Russians not bowing down to the Indian pressure and starting various weapons and trade agreements with Pakistan is one. The French, saying good bye to the Indian pressure, and trying to make $$$$ through JFT weapons and avionics integration is another one. The US has already called out both the countries with different focus on both for everything. The Israeli openly saying they'll give Pakistan whatever it needs, if it accepts Israel (which should have happened decades ago IMO). So really, what else is left?

OH, and China starting out with an initial $ 75 billion investment into Pakistan's infrastructure and trade route, which alone will turn the Pakistani economy on a vertical take off......and all major foreign companies eying over extracting Shale gas, Gold, Iron and Copper from Pakistan. What more do you need? Watch and absorb, the next three years are about to change Pakistan as you've known her for the past 70 years. It's about to join top 20 fastest growing economies in the next decade. All this is about three years away from showing some SERIOUS results. Watch till the end of 2017 and see what happens!
 
Oh they have started to, the Russians not bowing down to the Indian pressure and starting various weapons and trade agreements with Pakistan is one. The French, saying good bye to the Indian pressure, and trying to make $$$$ through JFT weapons and avionics integration is another one. The US has already called out both the countries with different focus on both for everything. The Israeli openly saying they'll give Pakistan whatever it needs, if it accepts Israel (which should have happened decades ago IMO). So really, what else is left?

OH, and China starting out with an initial $ 75 billion investment into Pakistan's infrastructure and trade route, which alone will turn the Pakistani economy on a vertical take off......and all major foreign companies eying over extracting Shale gas, Gold, Iron and Copper from Pakistan. What more do you need? Watch and absorb, the next three years are about to change Pakistan as you've known her for the past 70 years. It's about to join top 20 fastest growing economies in the next decade. All this is about three years away from showing some SERIOUS results. Watch till the end of 2017 and see what happens!
Slight variation: If dreams were horses, beggars would ride! :p:
 
It's like saying I know OBAMA ... BUT matter is does he know you. .. Same way all your big guns are strategic partners of India. They are not fools to go for war with other country ( expecting he very damage) just because pakistan said so . So keep living in your own world once you comes out of it you can't take it .The Reality always sucks
Pakistan has got relations with all the big guns .. Like , USA , china , Russia what else do we want

On the other hand India is doing everything to became a global leader. We make friends on trust , we do business with countries with moral code to abide with our relationship. Not like we need money from them to feed our people. It's other way around their people get jobs because we pay them for their products .
 
Oh they have started to, the Russians not bowing down to the Indian pressure and starting various weapons and trade agreements with Pakistan is one. The French, saying good bye to the Indian pressure, and trying to make $$$$ through JFT weapons and avionics integration is another one. The US has already called out both the countries with different focus on both for everything. The Israeli openly saying they'll give Pakistan whatever it needs, if it accepts Israel (which should have happened decades ago IMO). So really, what else is left?

OH, and China starting out with an initial $ 75 billion investment into Pakistan's infrastructure and trade route, which alone will turn the Pakistani economy on a vertical take off......and all major foreign companies eying over extracting Shale gas, Gold, Iron and Copper from Pakistan. What more do you need? Watch and absorb, the next three years are about to change Pakistan as you've known her for the past 70 years. It's about to join top 20 fastest growing economies in the next decade. All this is about three years away from showing some SERIOUS results. Watch till the end of 2017 and see what happens!
:rofl:
 
Pakistan has no natural resources that the US had interest in,otherwise it would have the same relationship that Saudi does.
 

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