why fossil fuels will never run out

[ultron]

Earth's mantle can generate methane : Nature News

Titan has “Hundreds of Times More” Liquid Hydrocarbons Than Earth » Universe Today

 

[ultron]

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

Are you an Arabian Prince or something? Because you're acting like carbon based fuel is crack.

 

[Skull and Bones]

By mid 2020s, renewables will be much cheaper than fossil fuels, we are already approaching the crossover point somewhere around next year or after.

 

[ultron]

By mid 2020s, renewables will be much cheaper than fossil fuels, we are already approaching the crossover point somewhere around next year or after.

If demand for renewables go up, then their prices will also go up. Renewables are constrained by supply of rare earth metals. Then again, renewables don't grow out of the ground. Their production uses fossil fuels. Steel cannot be produced without coal. Plastics cannot be produced without oil.

The only true renewable is the Dutch wooden wind mill, which does not need fossil fuels to produce.

Actually, a big portion of coal goes into steel making rather than producing electricity.

 

[ultron]

Safe to say, without fossil fuels, there would be no modern society. You can see for yourself.

 

[Providence]

Fossil Fuel lobby are not letting the renewable side get proper funds for research otherwise the tipping point would have come earlier. Nevertheless, the point has arrived now AND most importantly we will see renewable source powering high energy intensity processes like steel production and likes !

p.s. I am particularly not sold on solar cells though. Especially with no globally accepted norms relating to it's dumping and absence of checks against heavy metal pollution !

 

[Arsalan]

By mid 2020s, renewables will be much cheaper than fossil fuels, we are already approaching the crossover point somewhere around next year or after.

Not so fast i would say.
Surely they will become a better suitable and may be even cheaper replacement but it will still take years as far as i can see.

 

[ultron]

Fossil Fuel lobby are not letting the renewable side get proper funds for research otherwise the tipping point would have come earlier. Nevertheless, the point has arrived now AND most importantly we will see renewable source powering high energy intensity processes like steel production and likes !

p.s. I am particularly not sold on solar cells though. Especially with no globally accepted norms relating to it's dumping and absence of checks against heavy metal pollution !

Renewables might work with a global population of a few million. With 10 billion people, renewables won't be able to provide. Fossil fuels is here to stay. Why? Because no other energy source comes close to being as energy efficient, clean, friendly to the environment and human health, space usage. Fossil fuels will always remain the best choice for making electricity. This no one can deny.

 

[Levina]

Fossil fuels will always remain the best choice for making electricity. This no one can deny.

And what about the pollution fossil fuels cause?

 

[ultron]

And what about the pollution fossil fuels cause?

Fossil fuels do not cause pollution. CO2 is good for the planet. Only burning coal causes smog but with scrubber that is not a problem anymore in the US.

If you look at nuclear, there's radioactive nuclear waste that don't go away for thousands of years. If you look at wind and solar, there's toxic cancer causing rare earth metals which are almost impossible to safely dispose of. If you look at hydroelectric dams, there goes entire rivers ruined.

 

[Levina]

CO2 is good for the planet.

it increases the temperature.
CO2 is also absorbed by oceans, which makes it acidic in nature.

 

[ultron]

it increases the temperature.
CO2 is also absorbed by oceans, which makes it acidic in nature.

No it doesn't. Temperature is determined by the strength of the Sun's output and the atmospheric pressure of the Earth. The higher you go, the less atmospheric pressure, the colder. The lower you go, the more atmospheric pressure, the hotter. The same holds true for Venus, Mars, Jupiter. Venus is hot because of its very high atmospheric pressure, nearly 100 times that of Earth. Mars is cold because of its very low atmospheric pressure, a small fraction of that of Earth. Jupiter is nearly 10,000 C at its surface because of its very high atmospheric pressure. CO2 does not increase Earth's temperature. If you have proof it does, I would be glad to hear it.

As for ocean acidity, coca cola has like 10,000 ppm of CO2 concentration. You drink that, it tastes good.

All this doom and gloom talk, it's all media hype. Every day the media reports negative news, who got hurt, who got killed. Life is not about pessimism. Life is about optimism.

 

[Levina]

No it doesn't. Temperature is determined by the strength of the Sun's output and the atmospheric pressure of the Earth. The higher you go, the less atmospheric pressure, the colder. The lower you go, the more atmospheric pressure, the hotter. The same holds true for Venus, Mars, Jupiter. Venus is hot because of its very high atmospheric pressure, nearly 100 times that of Earth. Mars is cold because of its very low atmospheric pressure, a small fraction of that of Earth. Jupiter is nearly 10,000 C at its surface because of its very high atmospheric pressure. CO2 does not increase Earth's temperature. If you have proof it does, I would be glad to hear it.

As for ocean acidity, coca cola has like 10,000 ppm of CO2 concentration. You drink that, it tastes good. When you open a bottle of coca cola, the CO2 come shooting out.

lol
Then i guess this article published by NASA must also be wrong.
NASA - Carbon Dioxide Controls Earth's Temperature

 

[ultron]

lol
Then i guess this article published by NASA must also be wrong.
NASA - Carbon Dioxide Controls Earth's Temperature

It's wrong. CO2 does increase temperature a tiny bit. That's how a CO2 meter measure CO2 level in the air. I have one such meter. But the effect is negligible because CO2 is a very weak greenhouse gas. Water vapor is much much stronger and when water vapor concentration varies over several percentage points over the course of a day, there is negligible impact on temperature. CO2 is only 0.04 of a percent. It has no effect on Earth's temperature.