Why does China keep supporting Burma in the Rohingya crisis?

[TopCat]

We should be quite conscious that the current Rohingya issue has a long history and had its root cause from the British colonial period. While we are sympathetic to the misery of common people (including Rohingya Muslim, Rohingya Hindu and Arakanese), it is more than just a humanitarian issue.

International historians generally agree that while there has been continuous people movement in the past (maybe going both ways depending on how far you look back), mostly modern Rohingya people migrated into Arakan during British colonial period of 19th and 20th centuries. This migration was encouraged by British India authority, facilitied by the merger of Arakan into Bengal presidency by the East India Company. It could be much discontent among locals, but the violence was rare under the British rule.

The WWII has been a key period when when the violence erupted between the Rohingya group, which was armed by British and was supposed to fight Japanese, and Rakhines, which was armed by Japanese. The tension and conflict were spread to wider Myanmar with the retreat of the British. The violence at much lower level probably has been ongoing since the independence of Myanmar.

The recent eruption of the crisis is a humanitarian crisis and tragedy for sure but it could become a lot worse when external players get involved. Just have a look at the countries seen “international intervention”. China together with India, who also is quite conscious it is not in its best interest in seeing someone’s aircraft carriers and bombers in the neighborhood, had tried to keep the issue locally and not spin out of control.

Given how much Bangladesh economy is dependent on garment trade, one can be assured that when there is an armed conflict (to these who like to talk about a limited war), all international investment will be pulled out when the investors have any doubt about the security of their investment. 7% annual growth and upcoming LDC graduation will be a dream.

Why there were similar refugee crisis in 1784 when burmese kicked out 30% of native Mrak-U citizen to Bengal? Did british rule Arakan that time? How british could be a root cause of the problem in 1784?
It is the burmese rule which is the root cause. There were no problem when Arakan was independent or under British.

 

[Avicenna]

First, non interference is China's official policy

Second, from Realpolitik view, BD is not an ally like Pakistan, China has huge investments and interests in MM, why should we sacrifice that for BD? BD is our friend and development partner, so is MM, we don't favor one over another. Under no circumstances, we view BD as an enemy, please don't make it so.

For example, your own hasina government appeased to India by canceling Chinese projects, forbidding sub docking etc, that's OK, every country fight for its own interests, good for BD to seek a balance between India and China or to play one against another to extract the best benefits. So don't ask what you wouldn't do to China.

Third, western whites gave a rats *** about rohingya Muslims, like they care about Palestinians, Syrians or Iraqis? Like Trump gave a shit about journalist Khashoggi? Where are the rages for the innocent Middle eastern Muslims killed by non stopping bombing? Don't fall to their cunning plan to create a rift among third world countries.

And stop the China caused all this nonsense, the least we want is instability in the neighborhood.

This is a very sensible post.

 

[GeraltofRivia]

Why there were similar refugee crisis in 1784 when burmese kicked out 30% of native Mrak-U citizen to Bengal? Did british rule Arakan that time? How british could be a root cause of the problem in 1784?
It is the burmese rule which is the root cause. There were no problem when Arakan was independent or under British.

Fair enough and the historians seem to find it difficult to determine whether these bengal migrants were the same population that was deported during the Burmese conquest in the 18th centuries. It could well be they are. I don’t think anyone is denying their due right but call for a practical and localized resolution.

 

[TopCat]

Fair enough and the historians seem to find it difficult to determine whether these bengal migrants were the same population that was deported during the Burmese conquest in the 18th centuries. It could well be they are. I don’t think anyone is denying their due right but call for a practical and localized resolution.

Can you name me a historian who has difficulty to determine Rohingya were always native to Mayo region. I mean real historian.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

. This huge Myanmar (Biggest country in mainland asean ) has much more resource than tiny bangladesh

Whatever resources you have are being plundered by your junta and Chinese companies. So do not brag about your resources.

Biggest country in ASEAN means nothing when much of the country is worthless, useless mountainous jungle. Even tiny Singapore has more worth than myanmar. Bangladesh may be ''tiny'' in your opinion. But do not forget, this ''tiny'' land is capable to support 3 times more population than myanmar and generate 4 times the GDP you have.

 

[925boy]

Cry me a river, another veto is coming, those bankrupty world powers can do nothing about it, in this location , China means everything.

Veto is coming?
"To whom much is given, much is expected"- More is expected of China if China is to be accepted as a super power AND given the privileges of being one. How are you better than US if you also play "dirty"?? And we know Chinese govt is allowing Fentanyl exports to leave China because it hurts US population's economic competitiveness due to drug abuse and death from the drug.

 

[beijingwalker]

Veto is coming?
"To whom much is given, much is expected"- More is expected of China if China is to be accepted as a super power AND given the privileges of being one. How are you better than US if you also play "dirty"?? And we know Chinese govt is allowing Fentanyl exports to leave China because it hurts US population's economic competitiveness due to drug abuse and death from the drug.

Sounds like Opium War.

 

[925boy]

I said "join me IN the fight", i.e. that we will be fighting on the same side. How the heck is that hostile?

You taunted him and sounded aggressive because you didnt properly communicate what you meant and then you use that to turn it on him by asking why he is mad? wow.

But the truth is so incredibly obvious, when the Rohingya were fleeing "genocide" in Myanmar, the first thing Bangladesh did was to shut the border and prevent the Rohingya from escaping.

You're focusing on Bangladesh, but why were Rohingya facing Genocide in the first place from the Myanmar military?(while your country gave them the "bullets" they needed to do the "job"). Has China even condemned this "genocide" Rohingya faced that made them run to Bangladesh?

Then they denied them basic refugee status and are even in the process of trying to throw them back into Myanmar..

Bangladesh still took in millions of Rohingya. Maybe Bangladesh couldnt accept more refugees? Its so hypocritical for a Chinese to complain about Bangladesh not taking in refugees and properly giving them "basic refugee status " when China doesnt accept any refugees, and actually wants to see Islam and muslims in Asia decline so China stays quiet when neighboring countries attack muslims like in Myanmar, while already doing genocidal reprogramming of many Uighur muslims.

Like it or not, we are in the same side on this. It's just that Bangladesh is a more active and direct participant.

No you're not. You use Bangladesh's involvement as a distraction from China's responsibility and participation in this genocide on Rohingyas. Stop distracting us from CHina's role here. China should please do the right thing.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Its so hypocritical for a Chinese to complain about Bangladesh not taking in refugees and properly giving them "basic refugee status " when China doesnt accept any refugees

China accepted hundreds of thousands of ethnic Chinese refugees from Southeast Asia during the 1980's when we were much poorer on a per capita basis than Bangladesh today, not to mention the fact that we had another billion people to look after.

And we also took care of the Kokang in Myanmar through bilateral negotiations, which we offered in the Rohingya case before BD spat in our faces and rejected the offer.

Bangladesh accuses Myanmar of genociding the Rohingya, and then immediately say their intention is to throw all the Rohingya back there (does that make sense?). They won't even give them basic refugee status, they want them all back in Myanmar. If a bird is fleeing a burning house, and you slam the door and lock them in (or let them out and then throw them back in), how can you say you had nothing to do with it?

 

[TopCat]

Bangladesh accuses Myanmar of genociding the Rohingya, and then immediately say their intention is to throw all the Rohingya back there (does that make sense?). They won't even give them basic refugee status, they want them all back in Myanmar. If a bird is fleeing a burning house, and you slam the door and lock them in (or let them out and then throw them back in), how can you say you had nothing to do with it?

BD gave everything that a refugee deserves. We just did not call them refugee because that will give MM the leverage. Rohingyas want to go back.. they dont seek permanent settlement in Bangladesh.
Refugee has a legal implication, and we are not a foul country like MM which flouts every rule and call its own citizen like Indian, Bangladeshi and even refugee without knowing the implication of it.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Not that China needs any help to fight against Bangladesh. If push comes to shove we have a direct land border with Myanmar. Heck, even India itself might grant us land passage since they dislike Bangladesh just as much.

India will allow China to cross Chicken neck to invade Bangladesh. Joke of the century.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

India will allow China to cross Chicken neck to invade Bangladesh. Joke of the century.

You're right, I guess India is happy enough to just keep selling weapon systems to Myanmar and giving them public support in their time of need.

If China needs a land route to protect our assets in Arakan, I'm sure Myanmar would be more than willing to give us that.

 

[TopCat]

You're right, I guess India is happy enough to just keep selling weapon systems to Myanmar and giving them public support in their time of need.

If China needs a land route to protect our assets in Arakan, I'm sure Myanmar would be more than willing to give us that.

What asset in Arakan? How much investment you did so far in Arakan?
We already paid more for the Rohingya than your entire investment in Arakan.
And no, MM not going to give your troops any land access to BoB. It is in your wildest dream. India will not allow this. MM even allowed India to go and search for any Chinese listening device in Co-Co island. They allowed India to build Kaladan and sittwe port to keep a check in Chinese port project. It is India which can conduct surgical strike deep inside MM without any burmese objection...

 

[Homo Sapiens]

What I said is that China, India and Pakistan are all selling weapon systems to Myanmar. Which is a fact.

What's so special about China, India and Pakistan all are selling weapon to myanmar? Bangladesh is second largest arms importer from China. India and Pakistan would be more than happy to sell weapons to Bangladesh. Last year, India sent defence minister with 500 million dollar loan package to buy weapons from India. But Bangladesh is not interested to buy weapon from either India or Pakistan for strategic or other reasons. burmese have no problem buying weapon from all these three countries. Given that, burmese has little option to buy weapons from western sources and ever present threat of arms embargo, burmese can not buy arms from western countries. Plus their economy also can not afford it. So burmese are doing what they should do. To buy cheap, affordable arms from China, India and Pakistan.

 

[TopCat]

What's so special about China, India and Pakistan all are selling weapon to myanmar? Bangladesh is second largest arms importer from China. India and Pakistan would be more than happy to sell weapons to Bangladesh. Last year, India sent defence minister with 500 million loan package to buy weapons from India. But Bangladesh is not interested to buy weapon from either India or Pakistan for strategic or other reasons. burmese have no problem buying weapon from all these three countries. Given that, burmese has little option to buy weapons from western sources and ever present threat of arms embargo, burmese can not buy arms from western countries. Plus their economy also can not afford it. So burmese are doing what they should do. To buy cheap, affordable arms from China, India and Pakistan.

And their main enemy is their own people not external. So they can use any bullet to kill them..