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By Terri Judd
Published: 02 September 2006

The mother of a British soldier caught up in one of the bloodiest incidents in Iraq this year has accused Tony Blair of sending her son to fight an "illegal" war.

Dani Hamilton-Bing, whose son tried to quell rioters in Basra after the downing of a Lynx helicopter in May that killed five British soldiers, attacked Mr Blair for putting the lives of over-stretched troops in Iraq and Afghanistan at risk.

The early learning lecturer's comments are unusual because tradition dictates that military families of serving soldiers do not speak out.

But Mrs Hamilton-Bing said that anger at seeing her son sent to fight a dishonest war had driven her to take action, adding that many other military families shared her views.

She said: "My son joined to fight legal wars, not wars based on lies and deception.

"Does Tony Blair really value what these men are going through? Does he really understand the sacrifices these men and women are making?" she asked.

Mrs Hamilton-Bing was out shopping with her husband, Rob, when live images of the Lynx helicopter crash were broadcast across the world from Basra.

Frozen to the spot, they stared at the images of soldiers battling rioters, knowing that somewhere in that violent melee was their teenage son.

"We just got in the car. We couldn't get home fast enough and sat glued to the television. We just wanted to catch a glimpse of him, to know he was alive," said Mrs Hamilton-Bing, 43.

Unaware that her son was in fact inside the burning Warrior armoured vehicle on their screen, she tried to call his mobile throughout the day until they finally spoke:

"He said, 'That was me Mum, that was my wagon that was alight'. You have to remain calm but inside you are screaming and crying," she explained.

Mrs Hamilton-Bing insists that she is part of a majority vehemently against the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts, who believe the forces have been over-stretched, and treated like "mercenaries" for hire by a dishonest Prime Minister.

She believes that she is only reflecting the views of the servicemen and women who say nothing because they acknowledge that they relinquished that right when they signed up and "took the Queen's shilling".

"People just see these big strapping lads going off to war and these strong people waiting behind. It is a façade," she said.

On Thursday Mrs Hamilton watched her son, Pte James Hamilton-Bing, 18, of the 1st Battalion, The Light Infantry, return to Basra after his leave, knowing full well that in his previous four months in Iraq he has endured nightly mortar attacks, riots, countless fire fights and watched a comrade die. Perhaps worse are the things he would not talk about. The first time she watched his father drive him off to the airport on his way to Iraq in April the normally relaxed lecturer - a military daughter and a military wife - disintegrated. "I couldn't walk. My legs would not carry me. I was like jelly. I just sat and cried. It was self-pity. I couldn't be bothered to get dressed, to eat. I was quite horrid and uncaring to [my 12-year-old daughter] Chloe. I didn't appreciate how she was dealing with it," she explained.

After her own mother declared that she had two choices - dissolve into a nervous wreck or channel her grief - she decided to set up a support network for families and was stunned by the response. She received calls from women just streets away and others half-way across the world. Today the Iraq families are being joined by those whose relatives have been deployed to Afghanistan.

"Nobody believes what the Government says. Nine out of 10 agree with me," she said, adding: "There is a general feeling of two steps forward, one step back all the time. There doesn't seem to be any end in sight."

Like them, she now has rituals for coping. The telephone never leaves her side. The family do not go out together in case a call comes in. Her son's bedroom is left exactly as it was the day he walked out. "When he went his bed was left as he had got out of it that morning. I would not clear it up in case he didn't come back."

The other day she found herself accosting a woman who was yelling at her young son in the supermarket. "I said, 'I don't want to be rude but can you not speak to your son like that? My son is 18 and he is in Basra. Just appreciate your son. My son could be dead any day and you are worrying over a bag of sweets'."

Over the months she has listened to the change in her teenage soldier. Initially enthusiastic, his phone calls home began to change. He stopped talking of peacekeeping and began describing deadly battles in the "hell hole". He sounded exhausted.

"They don't have enough resources. They are over-stretched. Everyone is doing two men's jobs. Every time I spoke to him he was dead on his feet. He could barely say 'yeah' on the phone."

The worst moment came when the Lebanon conflict was dominating the news, she explained: "He said, 'People have forgotten about us, Mum. We are doing this shitty job, doing our best and they have forgotten about us'. That cut me to the quick."

Mrs Hamilton-Bing admits she was fiercely proud when her son joined the Army at just 16. In their home county of Cornwall, it offered a far better career than joining the tourism or building trade. It was not until she was listening to the local news one day that she realised that the "Op Telic" training he was undergoing meant he was off to Iraq.

"I am not against war, just an illegal war. I can't understand why we are there. I want to know why we needed a UN mandate of nine out of 15 and we went in with just four. Maybe if Tony Blair tried to tell me I would understand better," she said.

Source: Independent, UK
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Would politicians like Blair and Bush send their own teenage children to illegal wars?
 
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If the chap was in the Army, he has taken the oath to fight for his nation.

The lament thus is misplaced.

It is not for him to decided where to fight. He is to obey his govt.

Likewise, I am sure that many in the Pakistani Army did not want to go to fight their own people in North Waziristan. But it was the order of the govt and they had to go without question.

As Tennyson had written in his Charge of the Light Brigade - There's not to reason why, there's not to make reply, there's but to do and die.

This is applicable for all Armies in the world.

If the govt has decided on the war, it is not illegal.



From the moral point of view and common citizens, they can use their own discretion to decide whether it is legal or illegal.

Inspite of what the newspapers may call the war, the British re-voted Blair to power. Therefore, it is not illegal technically.

We, as international citizens, are entitled to feel it is illegal.

I don't think it is an illegal war. I think it is morally flawed and the rationale is not what is touted as the rationale.
 
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If the govt has decided on the war, it is not illegal.

really?

Then you also approve nazi's genocide of the jews. It was decided by the government too.


The Iraqi invasion wasnt even approved by UN.
 
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another sheehan.

Well Salim, all that just means that the soldier followed his orders to the letter. But regardless of that, it still could mean that there's something rotten about the chain of command and the commanding officer can always be questioned about his orders.
 
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another sheehan.

Well Salim, all that just means that the soldier followed his orders to the letter. But regardless of that, it still could mean that there's something rotten about the chain of command and the commanding officer can always be questioned about his orders.

If every Tom Dick and Harry questions a CO, then the CO may as well go home.

Lets look at it more dispassionately.

Is War moral? I don't think so.

Yet, it is a reality.

Do half of us soldier etc understand why we are at war?

No.

We just obey orders.

As an Indian Army officer do I hate Paksitan Army Officers and men?

I can honestly say I don't.

They are doing their duty as I am doing mine.

If we have to clash, so be it.

But otherwise I have no animosity.

Could it be because I am slightly educated and not a rustic to fall prey to baser instincts?
 
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If every Tom Dick and Harry questions a CO, then the CO may as well go home.

Lets look at it more dispassionately.

Is War moral? I don't think so.

Yet, it is a reality.

Do half of us soldier etc understand why we are at war?

No.

We just obey orders.

As an Indian Army officer do I hate Paksitan Army Officers and men?

I can honestly say I don't.

They are doing their duty as I am doing mine.

If we have to clash, so be it.

But otherwise I have no animosity.

Could it be because I am slightly educated and not a rustic to fall prey to baser instincts?

Thats exactly what SS officers told the judges at nuremberg trails.
 
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really?

Then you also approve nazi's genocide of the jews. It was decided by the government too.


The Iraqi invasion wasnt even approved by UN.

War is not genocide.

You have taken it to the extreme with a convoluted example. Is Bangladesh a genocide? Many think so.

Please note, I have said that the Iraq War is immoral, but not illegal.
 
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If the govt has decided on the war, it is not illegal.


really?

Then you also approve nazi's genocide of the jews. It was decided by the government too.

Well said bro.

From the moral point of view and common citizens, they can use their own discretion to decide whether it is legal or illegal.

we're talking about international law, no country is exempt from international law: and in that frame the invasion was and is illegal. from a moral point of view war is always unethical, if not defensive (which they tried to pitch this as, even though there was no threat and everything they said to justify it were lies).
 
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The public can always question anyone in the government and raise fingers and expect to be answered.

The job of the commanding officer is not to give questionable orders. And once the majority starts questioning you, you've done something absolutely wrong.

This is dispassionate... I'm sure its different for the mother, but I personally feel no one should weild that much power, for thats borderline tyranny.
 
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War is not genocide.

You have taken it to the extreme with a convoluted example. Is Bangladesh a genocide? Many think so.

Please note, I have said that the Iraq War is immoral, but not illegal.
Legalities can be argued if facts were mis-represented to gain the favor of the majority.
 
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Asim,

As you wish.

Can't argue with you on matters that you know best and experienced!
 
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1. If the chap was in the Army, he has taken the oath to fight for his nation. The lament thus is misplaced.

2. As Tennyson had written in his Charge of the Light Brigade - There's not to reason why, there's not to make reply, there's but to do and die.

1. Not really, there is a real agency problem. When most of these soldiers signed up, they didnt expect they would be fighting the U.S.'s war in some desert. Most who signed up were probably expecting to deter and fight in Falkland type situation defending Britian. Afghanistan was also something most would have accepted. However when joining most would not have liked the idea of Iraq war and most certainly wouldnt have joined at the set pay and conditions. Indeed that is why in the U.S. and Britian they are having problems in recruiting new soldiers, by deceiving the current group of soldiers, they are having problems in recruiting new ones. There is no free lunch.

2. Its a nice statement, but the reasons of war do affect morale and how the soldiers fight. The Taliban were on the back foot, but when U.S. invaded Iraq they are now finding much easier to recruit because a lot of young men now believe that U.S. is not fighting for the reasons it claims.
 
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This is the flaw with the WAR !! It can be legal but with a clear immoral character, as in Iraq and Afghanistan or may be in Iran, fought by the great SATAN and his friends! It can be completely illegal but with all moral character such as fought by fighters in Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq or Afghanistan, because of an absence of a people's government there !!

Salim you are right !! But the other way !!

That is why Muslims insists that religion MUST be the basis of governace. Because it is only religion which can gaurantee the highest moral standards to the governace !! Not the other way round!!
There is a very famous Misra'a (One line of a couplet) of Allama Iqbal, which says :

Juda ho dee'n siyasat say to reh jaati hai changaizee

If you exclude the religion from politics (And there by governace) what remains is only "Changaziyat" or mahem, deception, lies, attrocities, loot and anarchy !!

This is what the world is witnessing !!
Kashif
 
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Thats exactly what SS officers told the judges at nuremberg trails.
The reason those officers and men were on trial in Nuremburg was not generally over their conduct during battle, but their conduct against civilians. There are codes of conduct that most nations are signatory to which layout what they may and may not do during times of war, just as there are Rules of Engagement for the soldiers during combat. The fascists and nazis broke those rules and so were prosecuted for it. War is legal internationally when those international treaties are obeyed.
 
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