Why are Kashmiris sticking to failed strategies (namely militancy and Indo-Pak war)?

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Why are Kashmiris sticking to failed strategies (namely militancy and Indo-Pak war)?

They should know that the strategies they have hitherto used have failed. Kashmiris have been trying these two options for 6 decades. It hasn't produced the result. Yet they are sticking to useless plans like hoping for a war and joining militancy in hordes. It doesn't work when Pakistan is so tiny and India is so big. Why then are Kashmiris sticking to failed strategies? Why aren't Kashmiris doing something that works?

Pakistanis may not agree with this angle but the answer may be that the Kashmiri leadership may be covertly on India's payroll. The likes of popular Kashmiri leaders like Geelani and Yasin Malik may all be India's agents. These Indian agents who are hawks in public might actually be intentionally serving India's interests by misleading the Kashmiri youth and masses into doing something that doesn't work. Just as Gandhi was British agent and was used by British to lead India's entire population astray, Hurriyat and other popular Kashmiri leaders may be Indian agents who might be successfully teaching Kashmiri youth to adopt bad ideas in their struggle.

How else would you explain that Kashmiris are still into stupid ideas like militancy against the giant country of India and hoping for India-Pakistan war?

@Burhan Wani @padamchen

@CaptainJackSparrow

 

[padamchen]

@Burhan Wani @padamchen

Nothing is going to happen.

In Kashmir.

We have bigger problems brewing in Assam, West Bengal and Adi's own Country.

Cheers, Doc

 

[PakBlood]

It is not an ideal solution. Bloodshed is the last resort, nobody wants to see young men and women die, to see children orphaned, Indian, Kashmiri, whatever - they are all humans.

Unfortunately in the absence of any other effective solution, what choice do the people of Kashmir have? Diplomacy has failed time and time again because there is no pressure on India and Pakistan to move this forward.

If the international community was serious, they could organise a peace keeping force tomorrow and arrange a post by post simultaneous pull back of Pakistani and Indian forces from the LoC and then Kashmir as a wider area. This would then set the platform for all people of Kashmiri origin who can prove their residence from partition to return to Kashmir and then have a referendum on the future of Kashmir.

They don't get, Kashmiri's are not worth the political capital to the wider world community. Instead our only option is the military approach.

If we can raise the body count it will make it politically difficult for India to hold onto Kashmir, even more so if the conflict leads to the risk of a wider indo-pak conflict. As the stage sets for nuclear war, the international community will intervene to make both parties back down. It won't help Kashmiri's, only attrition will do that.

Why are Kashmiris sticking to failed strategies (namely militancy and Indo-Pak war)?

They should know that the strategies they have hitherto used have failed. Kashmiris have been trying these two options for 6 decades. It hasn't produced the result. Yet they are sticking to useless plans like hoping for a war and joining militancy in hordes. It doesn't work when Pakistan is so tiny and India is so big. Why then are Kashmiris sticking to failed strategies? Why aren't Kashmiris doing something that works?

Pakistanis may not agree with this angle but the answer may be that the Kashmiri leadership may be covertly on India's payroll. The likes of popular Kashmiri leaders like Geelani and Yasin Malik may all be India's agents. These Indian agents who are hawks in public might actually be intentionally serving India's interests by misleading the Kashmiri youth and masses into doing something that doesn't work. Just as Gandhi was British agent and was used by British to lead India's entire population astray, Hurriyat and other popular Kashmiri leaders may be Indian agents who might be successfully teaching Kashmiri youth to adopt bad ideas in their struggle.

How else would you explain that Kashmiris are still into stupid ideas like militancy against the giant country of India and hoping for India-Pakistan war?

Nothing is going to happen.

In Kashmir.

We have bigger problems brewing in Assam, West Bengal and Adi's own Country.

Cheers, Doc

Well, one interesting solution is the Chenab Formula,both Pakistan and India could agree to divide the disputed territory along the Chenab river, this can indeed work out as a win-win situation in my opinion. India and Pakistan could organize a phony referendum that results in the Kashmir Valley and Ladakh region voting to join Pakistan while the Jammu region votes to remain with India, behind the scenes such a desicion could be agreed upon by both sides in exchange for a peace traty and an assurance to de-militarize the region and stimulate economic and cultural cooperation between the two countries, this is beneficial not only for the people of the subcontinent but also for the private businesses of the politicians that are running the show, acting as an incentive for both sides tk reach towards a conclusion for this 70 years old conflict.

Well, one interesting solution is the Chenab Formula,both Pakistan and India could agree to divide the disputed territory along the Chenab river, this can indeed work out as a win-win situation in my opinion. India and Pakistan could organize a phony referendum that results in the Kashmir Valley and Ladakh region voting to join Pakistan while the Jammu region votes to remain with India, behind the scenes such a desicion could be agreed upon by both sides in exchange for a peace traty and an assurance to de-militarize the region and stimulate economic and cultural cooperation between the two countries, this is beneficial not only for the people of the subcontinent but also for the private businesses of the politicians that are running the show, acting as an incentive for both sides tk reach towards a conclusion for this 70 years old conflict.

Below is what the Chenab formula would look like:

 

[Bharat Muslim]

BUMP!!!

 

[Bharat Muslim]

Why are Kashmiris sticking to failed strategies (namely militancy and Indo-Pak war)?

They should know that the strategies they have hitherto used have failed. Kashmiris have been trying these two options for 6 decades. It hasn't produced the result. Yet they are sticking to useless plans like hoping for a war and joining militancy in hordes. It doesn't work when Pakistan is so tiny and India is so big. Why then are Kashmiris sticking to failed strategies? Why aren't Kashmiris doing something that works?

Pakistanis may not agree with this angle but the answer may be that the Kashmiri leadership may be covertly on India's payroll. The likes of popular Kashmiri leaders like Geelani and Yasin Malik may all be India's agents. These Indian agents who are hawks in public might actually be intentionally serving India's interests by misleading the Kashmiri youth and masses into doing something that doesn't work. Just as Gandhi was British agent and was used by British to lead India's entire population astray, Hurriyat and other popular Kashmiri leaders may be Indian agents who might be successfully teaching Kashmiri youth to adopt bad ideas in their struggle.

How else would you explain that Kashmiris are still into stupid ideas like militancy against the giant country of India and hoping for India-Pakistan war?

@naveedullahkhankhattak @Gunah-e-Kabira

Well, one interesting solution is the Chenab Formula,both Pakistan and India could agree to divide the disputed territory along the Chenab river, this can indeed work out as a win-win situation in my opinion. India and Pakistan could organize a phony referendum that results in the Kashmir Valley and Ladakh region voting to join Pakistan while the Jammu region votes to remain with India, behind the scenes such a desicion could be agreed upon by both sides in exchange for a peace traty and an assurance to de-militarize the region and stimulate economic and cultural cooperation between the two countries, this is beneficial not only for the people of the subcontinent but also for the private businesses of the politicians that are running the show, acting as an incentive for both sides tk reach towards a conclusion for this 70 years old conflict.



Below is what the Chenab formula would look like:

It's all very well to wish but do you have any new plan to try to make your wish materialize?

 

[Srinivas]

What ever clean up is happening in Kashmir by IA is just a starter, soon the cross border terror supporting establishment and militants will be hunted down.

Actually the strategy works perfectly. If anything it needs to be re-ignited.

For 40 years we Kashmiri's endured violence and oppression and hoped for a diplomatic solution. There was none. It is clear that we don't have support from the international community for our freedom struggle - other than lip service. As the years have gone by even lip service is disappearing.

Only in the 80's as a response to extreme violence by the Indian occupiers did Kashmiri's turn to violence. The violence was successful. It pushed Indian occupiers onto the back foot - instead of harming Kashmiri's they were busy looking to protect themselves from freedom fighters. At the turn of the century huge swathes of the Kashmir valley were actually no-go areas for the Indian army. India regularly would call for ceasefires to then sit down at the table and talk. It was only because Pervez Musharraf buckled under pressure that the freedom fighting operations were reduced in scale.

Conflicts around the world since then have shown how new militant tactics can defeat huge powerful occupying forces. In the past we saw Guerilla tactics successfully defeat the Soviet Union in Afghanistan and Chechnya (even now they only had peace once they did a deal with the father of Ramzan Kadyrov). The same is true of the US defeat in Korea and Vietnam. In the post 911 evolved versions of these tactics have been equally effective in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria.

The Kashmiri freedom movement doesn't have a salafi flavour to it, you won't see the likes of Al Queda and ISIS attracted towards it, however there is no reason why the use of guerilla tactics cannot cause catastrophic damage to the Indian armed forces in Kashmir, forcing them to come to the negociating table.

Now those days will return. Why?

1. The US is defeated in Afghanistan and is no longer a threat to Pakistan
2. China is investing in Pakistan therefore an attack by the US or India against Pakistan increases the chance of directly harming Chinese interests, risking a wider conflict.
3. The Russians are wanting to get closer to Pakistan due to CPEC which will mean India is less likely to get political support from them in a conflict with Pakistan.
4. Indian proxies in Afghanistan are being routed, our western border is becoming safer than ever.

This means we have time and resource to focus on the east again.

To win big you need to risk big. 911 was unfortunate for the Kashmiri cause and it resulted in a roll back. That time is over. Tipu Sultan said a day as a lion is better than a life as a jackal, we Kashmiri's have the same mentality. We won't be happy living as second class citizens.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

@naveedullahkhankhattak @Gunah-e-Kabira


It's all very well to wish but do you have any new plan to try to make your wish materialize?

Indians did the same when they were occupied by British. but they never changed their demands and struggle.
it just prove one thing that freedom is bigger thing than all the costs you can ever pay for it.

even after 60 years of independence, India have a very high defence budget to avoid losing their freedom to someone and are expecting Kashmiri's to stop dreaming for similar thing.

 

[Bharat Muslim]

Indians did the same when they were occupied by British. but they never changed their demands and struggle.
it just prove one thing that freedom is bigger thing than all the costs you can ever pay for it.

even after 60 years of independence, India have a very high defence budget to avoid losing their freedom to someone and are expecting Kashmiri's to stop dreaming for similar thing.

In the case of Indian independence movement, the world war and the consequent British economic woes brought succor to Indians NOT their own struggle. What do you think will bring succor to Kashmiri separatists?

 

[Politico]

In the case of Indian independence movement, the world war and the consequent British economic woes brought succor to Indians NOT their own struggle. What do you think will bring succor to Kashmiri separatists?

pakistan replacing the usa as the sole economic and military super power in the world. until then nothing or nobody is going 2 help the kashmiri militants

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

In the case of Indian independence movement, the world war and the consequent British economic woes brought succor to Indians NOT their own struggle. What do you think will bring succor to Kashmiri separatists?

the same which made British economy weak.

"war".

 

[Bharat Muslim]

the same which made British economy weak.

"war".

Try nuclear war this time. Other sorts of wars have been tried, tested and failed - conventional war, insurgency-on-enemy war (supporting insurgency on enemy territory), economic espionage and sabotage war, diplomatic war etcetera. Size matters in these types of wars. I dunno about nuclear war.

 

[Sucha Kuggu]

Why are Kashmiris sticking to failed strategies (namely militancy and Indo-Pak war)?

Its self deface of Kashmirs against human rights violation by Indian occupation army. Because UN has turned an blind eye toward resolution of Kashmir issue despite UN resolutions to resolve Kashmir issue.

 

[Bharat Muslim]

Its self deface of Kashmirs against human rights violation by Indian occupation army. Because UN has turned an blind eye toward resolution of Kashmir issue despite UN resolutions to resolve Kashmir issue.

But there was no human rights violation before 1989. Why did they start insurgency then?

 

[Sucha Kuggu]

But there was no human rights violation before 1989. Why did they start insurgency then?

UN resolutions on Kashmir are far older than 1989 put this question to UN.