While Americans pays more emphasis to stealth, Russians pay more emphasis of weapon range.

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Perhaps (as it is not proven and likely never will) F-22 / 35 is more stealthy than Su-57, but it is well known Su-57 has far greater weapon range than F-22 / 35, which cannot carry long range missiles in their internal weapon bays which are far smaller than Su-57's internal weapons bays. Su-57 missile can shoot more than 500 km, compared to about 100 km for F-22 / 35's missiles. So, while F-22 / 35 may (as it is not proven and likely never will) detect Su-57 before Su-57 can detect F-22 / 35, overall, Su-57 has the advantage of greater strike distance with fire and forget weapons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-59

 

[LeGenD]

Perhaps (as it is not proven and likely never will) F-22 / 35 is more stealthy than Su-57,

This is easy.

Information leaks (unfortunately for fanboys)

but it is well known Su-57 has far greater weapon range than F-22 / 35, which cannot carry long range missiles in their internal weapon bays which are far smaller than Su-57's internal weapons bays.

Excuse me?

Standoff munitions and long-range BVR armaments in there.

F-22A Raptor have relatively greater room for internal payload; bigger bird.

Su-57 missile can shoot more than 500 km, compared to about 100 km for F-22 / 35's missiles.

How is the maximum flight range of an [air-to-surface] standoff cruise missile, a quality of SU-57?

AIM-120D AMRAAM - designed for BVR [air-to-air] engagements - is 4+ MACH in speed and 180+ KM in range.

F-35C (USN) will carry JSOW-ER standoff cruise missiles internally for [air-to-surface] engagments; JSOW-ER is undergoing trials [at present] and have a maximum flight range of 427 KM.

So, while F-22 / 35 may (as it is not proven and likely never will) detect Su-57 before Su-57 can detect F-22 / 35, overall, Su-57 has the advantage of greater strike distance with fire and forget weapons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-59

Kh-59MK2 is an [air-to-surface] standoff cruise missile.

"Range and payload estimates vary widely, but it's likely to be able to reach targets at least 150 miles away while carrying a 500lb warhead."

Source: http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ing-a-new-cruise-missile-from-its-weapons-bay

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Russian notion of survivability is to equip SU-57 with standoff munitions in order to compensate for its shortcomings in VLO spectrum; unload its standoff munitions and get out.

F22A and F-35 variants are supposed to establish "air superiority" over a modern battlespace, which is a challenging (and demanding) task. This is where full-spectrum VLO come into play.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

This is easy.

Information leaks (unfortunately for fanboys)


Excuse me?

Standoff munitions and long-range BVR armaments in there.

F-22A Raptor have relatively greater room for internal payload; bigger bird.


How is the maximum flight range of an [air-to-surface] standoff cruise missile, a quality of SU-57?

AIM-120D AMRAAM - designed for BVR [air-to-air] engagements - is 4+ MACH in speed and 180+ KM in range.

F-35C (USN) will carry JSOW-ER standoff cruise missiles internally for [air-to-surface] engagments; JSOW-ER is undergoing trials [at present] and have a maximum flight range of 427 KM.


Kh-59MK2 is an [air-to-surface] standoff cruise missile.

"Range and payload estimates vary widely, but it's likely to be able to reach targets at least 150 miles away while carrying a 500lb warhead."

Source: http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ing-a-new-cruise-missile-from-its-weapons-bay

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Russian notion of survivability is to equip SU-57 with standoff munitions in order to compensate for its shortcomings in VLO spectrum; unload its standoff munitions and get out.

F22A and F-35 variants are supposed to establish "air superiority" over a modern battlespace, which is a challenging (and demanding) task. This is where full-spectrum VLO come into play.

That's not proven. No one knows the real RCS of F-22 / 35 and Su-57. These are classified. No manufacturer is going to blabber to the public the RCS of its products. If F-35 is so stealthy as claim they can fly it to Moscow at night and bomb Putin to death. Clearly, the claim is not reality.

 

[LeGenD]

That's not proven. No one knows the real RCS of F-22 / 35 and Su-57. These are classified. No manufacturer is going to blabber to the public the RCS of its products. If F-35 is so stealthy as claim they can fly it to Moscow at night and bomb Putin to death. Clearly, the claim is not reality.

Developers are not leaking this kind of information.

Does that image look like a marketing page to you? Use your brain for once.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Developers are not leaking this kind of information.

Does that image look like a marketing page to you? Use your brain for once.

All these numbers are fake. Prove it. To get 0.00001 sq m RCS you need at least plasma stealth if not cloaking device. With current technology, not possible. Current technology is still in infancy.

 

[XTQ1999]

This is easy.

Information leaks (unfortunately for fanboys)


Excuse me?

Standoff munitions and long-range BVR armaments in there.

F-22A Raptor have relatively greater room for internal payload; bigger bird.


How is the maximum flight range of an [air-to-surface] standoff cruise missile, a quality of SU-57?

AIM-120D AMRAAM - designed for BVR [air-to-air] engagements - is 4+ MACH in speed and 180+ KM in range.

F-35C (USN) will carry JSOW-ER standoff cruise missiles internally for [air-to-surface] engagments; JSOW-ER is undergoing trials [at present] and have a maximum flight range of 427 KM.


Kh-59MK2 is an [air-to-surface] standoff cruise missile.

"Range and payload estimates vary widely, but it's likely to be able to reach targets at least 150 miles away while carrying a 500lb warhead."

Source: http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ing-a-new-cruise-missile-from-its-weapons-bay

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Russian notion of survivability is to equip SU-57 with standoff munitions in order to compensate for its shortcomings in VLO spectrum; unload its standoff munitions and get out.

F22A and F-35 variants are supposed to establish "air superiority" over a modern battlespace, which is a challenging (and demanding) task. This is where full-spectrum VLO come into play.

how does F-18E have such low RCS?

also don't waste your time arguing with him, he is just a troll without a life

 

[nahtanbob]

That's not proven. No one knows the real RCS of F-22 / 35 and Su-57. These are classified. No manufacturer is going to blabber to the public the RCS of its products. If F-35 is so stealthy as claim they can fly it to Moscow at night and bomb Putin to death. Clearly, the claim is not reality.

f-35 is sold to dozen countries for ten of billions of dollars. the su-57 does not have a single customer

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

f-35 is sold to dozen countries for ten of billions of dollars. the su-57 does not have a single customer

None of those countries are partners except Britain.

the su-57 does not have a single customer

So? Customers does not determine capability of a plane.

 

[nahtanbob]

None of those countries are partners except Britain.



So? Customers does not determine capability of a plane.

if nobody wants an aircraft it is probably not capable

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

if nobody wants an aircraft it is probably not capable

Not necessarily. During WW2 fighter planes were hardly ever exported and they were built in the hundreds of thousands for use by their manufacturing countries.

 

[Yaseen1]

russia is doing good in low defence budget as compared to u.s.U.s is advance in some fields not because of technology but due to money.If u.s defence budget is given to russia it will do much better than u.s and will be years a head of u.s

 

[LeGenD]

All these numbers are fake. Prove it. To get 0.00001 sq m RCS you need at least plasma stealth if not cloaking device. With current technology, not possible. Current technology is still in infancy.

Your disbelief is irrelevant. These numbers are pulled from relevant patents and documentation; they are not mere estimates. FYI: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/russ...realistic-numbers.589471/page-3#post-10986139