Where is the Raymond Davis' trial as Kerry promised?

[twoplustwoisfour]

First, i didn't release him, so use appropriate term.

Fine, let me rephrase. Your own courts have let RD free. If you have a gripe with his release, question your courts.

Second, we have care over US official statement about this criminal, they must be bring him into trail for murdering 2 innocent civilians.

I don't understand.... are you saying that the terms of his release required him to be tried in a US court?

Idiotic? OR THIS IS IDIOTIC TO LET A CRIMINAL WITHOUT ANY COURT TRAIL OVER MURDER?

There was a trial. He was released after paying a fine or 'Diyat' as you call it. Is it his fault that your laws allow people to measure life in terms of money?

Even if Ajmal Kasab was released then surely Pakistan ran trail for what he did and punished him.

Basic human rights say that you can't try one person for the same crime twice. It's called 'Double Jeoperdy'. Google it.

 

[twoplustwoisfour]

Umm.. In the first place, dont take the debate off topic.
Second, A Pakistani wouldnt be in India. We dont want to spy on useless experiments.

How is this off topic? He asked for reasons why the US govt would try to save RD and I replied to the point I think.
Secondly, what if a Pakistani citizen was captured in Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Tanzania, Mozambique etc? Wouldn't your govt help him?

Ohhhh.... you're just soft trolling, aren't you? Never mind...

 

[Last Hope]

How is this off topic? He asked for reasons why the US govt would try to save RD and I replied to the point I think.

How about, a terrorist is caught and the country of his residence comes and asks to give that person to him, to prosecute him, and they keep him in safe house. Isint that friendship with terrorism?

 

[Jackdaws]

A person can be tried in American courts if -

a. He has committed the crime on American soil - which Davis has not OR

b. He has committed crimes against American citizens - which Davis has not either.

c. If he has committed treason against America - which he has not

Pakistani courts and government - if they had any sense of self-respect would not have released him. I mean - the guy murdered Pakistani citizens for crying out loud. I can't think of any country releasing Davis whatever the sops offered to them by Americans.

 

[DV RULES]

There was a trial. He was released after paying a fine or 'Diyat' as you call it. Is it his fault that your laws allow people to measure life in terms of money?

Basic human rights say that you can't try one person for the same crime twice. It's called 'Double Jeoperdy'. Google it.

You are going off topic, Topic was why US didn't bring RD into court trails after a senior senator give promised over it? He gave statement not from his own behalf but as government official of US.

 

[Jackdaws]

Besides there is also the case of double jeopardy. Legally (and not ethically) - Davis has served his time for crime committed and been released after paying blood money. He can't be convicted for the same crime twice. If Pakistan had released him without finding him guilty - there would be an outside chance of a trial.

 

[Last Hope]

A person can be tried in American courts if -

a. He has committed the crime on American soil - which Davis has not OR

b. He has committed crimes against American citizens - which Davis has not either.

c. If he has committed treason against America - which he has not

Pakistani courts and government - if they had any sense of self-respect would not have released him. I mean - the guy murdered Pakistani citizens for crying out loud. I can't think of any country releasing Davis whatever the sops offered to them by Americans.

Well well well, the US has pressured Pakistan a lot. I.S.I, and Pakistan Armed Forces were against his departure.
Shuja Pasha and Kayani delt with the Interior minister. With our interior minister this great, expect anything to happen.

 

[Awesome]

Let me be clear the discontent between Pakistan and American alliance was solidified with the Raymond Davis incident. Without giving Pakistan justice and its due respect on Raymond Davis case, the alliance just is as strong as Zardari is.

The US and all forces were warned that it would become inconceivable for the Pakistani public to think of the US as a partner if Raymond Davis is let off and that is why all these Dharnas, this Remove the government movement, this thrashing that the Army is getting, all of it, Raymond Davis case is what cemented this path for us.

I'm not hopeful for a US trial, my purpose here is to just remind everyone who we are dealing with and how we came to this point

 

[twoplustwoisfour]

How about, a terrorist is caught and the country of his residence comes and asks to give that person to him, to prosecute him, and they keep him in safe house. Isint that friendship with terrorism?

And you correctly refused to hand him over. Matter closes there....

You are going off topic, Topic was why US didn't bring RD into court trails after a senior senator give promised over it? He gave statement not from his own behalf but as government official of US.

Let me refresh the sequence of events here.

1. RD is captured and accused in Pakistan.
2. US Govt tries to bring him back diplomatically, promising to try him in US courts.
3. Pakistan refuses and goes on with the trial in Pakistan.
4. Pakistani Court releases him on payment of 'blood money'.

Now, where is the obligation of US govt to try him?

 

[Last Hope]

And you correctly refused to hand him over. Matter closes there....



Let me refresh the sequence of events here.

1. RD is captured and accused in Pakistan.
2. US Govt tries to bring him back diplomatically, promising to try him in US courts.
3. Pakistan refuses and goes on with the trial in Pakistan.
4. Pakistani Court releases him on payment of 'blood money'.

Now, where is the obligation of US govt to try him?

US refused that any blood money was paid.
Now say what?

 

[twoplustwoisfour]

Let me be clear the discontent between Pakistan and American alliance was solidified with the Raymond Davis incident. Without giving Pakistan justice and its due respect on Raymond Davis case, the alliance just is as strong as Zardari is.

The US and all forces were warned that it would become inconceivable for the Pakistani public to think of the US as a partner if Raymond Davis is let off and that is why all these Dharnas, this Remove the government movement, this thrashing that the Army is getting, all of it, Raymond Davis case is what cemented this path for us.

You have hit the nail on the head of the problem here. The problem is not Raymond Davis. It is not Pakistani govt or Pakistani courts. It is not even the US government.

The root of the problem lies with the Pakistani public and their mob mentality.

The Pakistani public feels that injustice has been done to them by America. They don't care for the facts. They don't care that proper judicial procedure has been followed. They don't care that the family of the victims are happy with the rulings. They don't even care if RD was guilty or not. All they care about is their perception of US as a big, bad bully, and are willing to overlook the facts to strengthen their believes.

You guys are your own worst victims. Do some introspection and fact checking before making such threads.

 

[twoplustwoisfour]

US refused that any blood money was paid.
Now say what?

Fine, change point 4 to 'Pakistani Court releases him'.

Does that change the sequence of events in any way? Does that make any material change to my point?