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When a fringe Hindu group stopped a Muslim from writing about the Ramayana

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An incident in the Ramayana is eerily similar to what had happened in Kozhikode. According to Valmiki, Rama beheads Shambuka when a Brahmin complains that he practises penance and recites Vedas – things forbidden to Shudras like him.

Only because he was a Muslim, Dr MM Basheer was stopped from publishing his series on the Ramayana in the Malayalam paper, Mathrubhumi, by an obscure Hindu fundamentalist group called the Hanuman Sena. Dr Basheer had doubly sinned; he had undertaken a Haj pilgrimage too. “A Haji shouldn't write about the Ramayana” was the Sena’s ominous prescription.

Both Indian ithihasas, the Ramayana and the Mahabharata are unique in the sense that their authors, Valmiki and Vyasa respectively, are also part of the dramatis personae of the epics, making themselves contemporaries to godly heroes. This device freed the writers from a need to constantly justify their protagonists. The pictures they presented were often warts and all.

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Dr Basheer followed Valmiki faithfully. His columns were sprinkled with quote marks, taking care not to intrude into the original. Since there was nothing to “offend” in the writing, Hanuman Sena went beyond the text and invoked religion.

The Hanuman Sena is a motley crowd of religious fanatics, out of sync with Kerala’s demographics, which demand harmonious coexistence for smooth civic life. They are also not new to mischief; their attack on a restaurant for the alleged presence of lip-locking couples met a response from a section of the youth in Kerala in the form of Kiss of Love protests that went beyond the state’s borders.

The twelfth month of Malayalam calendar, Karkitakam, is called the month of the Ramayana in Kerala, and newspapers routinely carry features on the epic. When Dr Basheer’s first column, in a series of six, appeared in Mathrubhumi, the Hanuman Sena started acting up. It is another matter that last year too the same paper had run a series by the same author.

The fringe group, without much popular support, resorted to abusive calls both to the newspaper and the author as their main weapon. Sticking offensively worded bills on walls and taking out thinly attended rallies were their other strategies. The writer gave in just before his last column could appear, and chose silence over abuse.

Mathrubhumi, to their credit, determinedly went ahead with publishing the series even after Sena’s persistent toxic calls. But what is to the shame of the entire mainstream media in Kerala is their silence about the incident. Finally it took a journalist, sitting in Delhi, to break the story in the Indian Express. Even after that report had gone viral, the Kerala media is still in denial, barring a couple of TV channels. We haven't heard a word from its elected leaders, all of them wearing secular badges.

No support for writers

A fringe outfit like the Hanuman Sena shouldn't normally be able to challenge the wits of a largely sanguine Kerala society. What is worrisome is the utter loneliness of the writer under attack. Whom does he turn to? Why is he forced to call it quits in face of uncalled for violence.

The answer probably lies in the slow decay of institutions in Kerala. A state with the worst record in casteism, that made Vivekananda call it a madhouse, had evolved through a series of social movements in the nineteenth and early twentieth century, collectively called the Renaissance, into a largely tolerant society.

A few decades ago, a writer, or for that matter, an individual, in distress could have gone to local Communist or any other party leader or to the parish priest or to a leader of his or her community with these life-threatening grievances. More often than not these institutions used to act on their own.

Civil society in Kerala is no longer as forthcoming as before. It is more insular, and probably allowing decadence to set in. The Renaissance values are giving way to fundamentalism of all hues. How much the decline of the Left is responsible for this is altogether another topic of discussion. The achhe din for this outwardly egalitarian and largely peaceful state seem to be running out.

NS Madhavan is an acclaimed and popular contemporary Malayalam writer of novels, short stories, and essays.

When a fringe Hindu group stopped a Muslim from writing about the Ramayana
 
This is practically the 1000th example of a small no of trouble makers getting their way. All one needs is an ability to create trouble and people simply back off.

And NO you don't have to be a majority to pull off such crap, Muslims, Christins, Sikhs have all done it regularly. We need more maturity to deal with this.
 
I am glad this article was posted by the OP. It provides me with an opportunity to highlight the issues here.

Let me start with the FIRST line of the article.

"An incident in the Ramayana is eerily similar to what had happened in Kozhikode. According to Valmiki, Rama beheads Shambuka when a Brahmin complains that he practises penance and recites Vedas – things forbidden to Shudras like him."

This is a malicious misinterpretation of the Valmiki Ramayana. THis is either done on Purpose or due to Ignorance. Either way the Damage to Hinduism, Hindus and Ramayana is Great.


Shambuka was a shudra who did severe Tapasya to pass onto the afterlife with this BODY. He did austerities with this sole purpose of distorting the order of creation and the order of the universe. Sri. Ramchandraji cut off his head so that he could not use his will to subvert Dharma or Rta.

Sri Rama chandra did the same to Ravana who was a Brahmin but again sought to distort the order of creation and subvert Dharma.

Second Shambuka recited the vedas but not with the intention of understanding it, but with the intention of Subverting it.



However this story and example is a good one to highlight how bad Intention or Ignorance can subvert even the holiest of deeds or wisest of words.


So in the same vein as Shambuka, do we want NS Madhavan or Dr Basheer to translate the Ramayana ? Especially when there are literally thousands of Hindu scholar who can do the same ? To what purpose does Dr. Basheer need to translate the Ramayan and recite it to majority Hindus ?

How is it any different from the Christians translating the Rg. Veda and teaching Hindus that eating beef is allowed in the Vedas ? :cheesy: .... or Indra ate the intestines of a dog. :lol:



IF Mathrubhumi's Intetions are really to spread the world or Ramayana, the most Logical thing would be to ask a true practicing scholar of Ramayana to write for it, not a practicing Muslim. :disagree:



So what exactly is Mathrubhumi trying to do ? :coffee:

This is practically the 1000th example of a small no of trouble makers getting their way. All one needs is an ability to create trouble and people simply back off.

And NO you don't have to be a majority to pull off such crap, Muslims, Christins, Sikhs have all done it regularly. We need more maturity to deal with this.

Maybe someone like me should write a Translation of the Bible or Koran, What do you think ? :coffee:


Do you think Matrubhumi will allow that ? :azn:
 
I am glad this article was posted by the OP. It provides me with an opportunity to highlight the issues here.

Let me start with the FIRST line of the article.

"An incident in the Ramayana is eerily similar to what had happened in Kozhikode. According to Valmiki, Rama beheads Shambuka when a Brahmin complains that he practises penance and recites Vedas – things forbidden to Shudras like him."

This is a malicious misinterpretation of the Valmiki Ramayana. THis is either done on Purpose or due to Ignorance. Either way the Damage to Hinduism, Hindus and Ramayana is Great.


Shambuka was a shudra who did severe Tapasya to pass onto the afterlife with this BODY. He did austerities with this sole purpose of distorting the order of creation and the order of the universe. Sri. Ramchandraji cut off his head so that he could not use his will to subvert Dharma or Rta.

Sri Rama chandra did the same to Ravana who was a Brahmin but again sought to distort the order of creation and subvert Dharma.

Second Shambuka recited the vedas but not with the intention of understanding it, but with the intention of Subverting it.



However this story and example is a good one to highlight how bad Intention or Ignorance can subvert even the holiest of deeds or wisest of words.


So in the same vein as Shambuka, do we want NS Madhavan or Dr Basheer to translate the Ramayana ? Especially when there are literally thousands of Hindu scholar who can do the same ? To what purpose does Dr. Basheer need to translate the Ramayan and recite it to majority Hindus ?

How is it any different from the Christians translating the Rg. Veda and teaching Hindus that eating beef is allowed in the Vedas ? :cheesy: .... or Indra ate the intestines of a dog. :lol:



IF Mathrubhumi's Intetions are really to spread the world or Ramayana, the most Logical thing would be to ask a true practicing scholar of Ramayana to write for it, not a practicing Muslim. :disagree:



So what exactly is Mathrubhumi trying to do ? :coffee:



Maybe someone like me should write a Translation of the Bible or Koran, What do you think ? :coffee:


Do you think Matrubhumi will allow that ? :azn:

Sir if someone posts an interpretation you disagree with, then you should indeed put forth your point of view and highlight the specific matter.

And as I said, this is not a hindu problem. Certaily a hindu will not be allowed to post interpretation of quran or bible, but the point I am making is that YES THEY SHOULD BE.
 
Sir if someone posts an interpretation you disagree with, then you should indeed put forth your point of view and highlight the specific matter.

And as I said, this is not a hindu problem. Certaily a hindu will not be allowed to post interpretation of quran or bible, but the point I am making is that YES THEY SHOULD BE.

You are free to post an any amount of perverted interpretation in private journals or in supposedly "scholarly" articles or journals or even books.

Only when you make it in a public media like Newspaper , Radio or TV or even public speaking, it is called HATE SPEECH :coffee:


So if you are saying HATE SPEECH should be allowed in India under the guise of "Free Speech" then that is a separate debate. IS that what you are saying ?
 
I am glad this article was posted by the OP. It provides me with an opportunity to highlight the issues here.

Let me start with the FIRST line of the article.

"An incident in the Ramayana is eerily similar to what had happened in Kozhikode. According to Valmiki, Rama beheads Shambuka when a Brahmin complains that he practises penance and recites Vedas – things forbidden to Shudras like him."

This is a malicious misinterpretation of the Valmiki Ramayana. THis is either done on Purpose or due to Ignorance. Either way the Damage to Hinduism, Hindus and Ramayana is Great.


Shambuka was a shudra who did severe Tapasya to pass onto the afterlife with this BODY. He did austerities with this sole purpose of distorting the order of creation and the order of the universe. Sri. Ramchandraji cut off his head so that he could not use his will to subvert Dharma or Rta.

Sri Rama chandra did the same to Ravana who was a Brahmin but again sought to distort the order of creation and subvert Dharma.

Second Shambuka recited the vedas but not with the intention of understanding it, but with the intention of Subverting it.



However this story and example is a good one to highlight how bad Intention or Ignorance can subvert even the holiest of deeds or wisest of words.


So in the same vein as Shambuka, do we want NS Madhavan or Dr Basheer to translate the Ramayana ? Especially when there are literally thousands of Hindu scholar who can do the same ? To what purpose does Dr. Basheer need to translate the Ramayan and recite it to majority Hindus ?

How is it any different from the Christians translating the Rg. Veda and teaching Hindus that eating beef is allowed in the Vedas ? :cheesy: .... or Indra ate the intestines of a dog. :lol:



IF Mathrubhumi's Intetions are really to spread the world or Ramayana, the most Logical thing would be to ask a true practicing scholar of Ramayana to write for it, not a practicing Muslim. :disagree:



So what exactly is Mathrubhumi trying to do ? :coffee:



Maybe someone like me should write a Translation of the Bible or Koran, What do you think ? :coffee:


Do you think Matrubhumi will allow that ? :azn:

Agree Basheer if translated may not be translated...But if u had missed this

"Dr Basheer followed Valmiki faithfully. His columns were sprinkled with quote marks, taking care not to intrude into the original. Since there was nothing to “offend” in the writing, Hanuman Sena went beyond the text and invoked religion."
 
You are free to post an any amount of perverted interpretation in private journals or in supposedly "scholarly" articles or journals or even books.

Only when you make it in a public media like Newspaper , Radio or TV or even public speaking, it is called HATE SPEECH :coffee:


So if you are saying HATE SPEECH should be allowed in India under the guise of "Free Speech" then that is a separate debate. IS that what you are saying ?

Which part of my posts you seem to disagree with. I'm numbering so that you can reply by quoting the number.

  1. Yes hate speech should not be allowed.
  2. Yes some political miscreants should not be the judge of what is hate speech, the state (police, courts) should be.
  3. As to writing scholarly papers, yes it should be allowed to all
  4. Not just hindus, but others have also used such tactics, and we fall for it because we are not mature enough
 
By the way..Madhu Kishwar Aunt also against those goons...i was little surprised :)
 
Agree Basheer if translated may not be translated...But if u had missed this

"Dr Basheer followed Valmiki faithfully. His columns were sprinkled with quote marks, taking care not to intrude into the original. Since there was nothing to “offend” in the writing, Hanuman Sena went beyond the text and invoked religion."

How can Dr. Basheer's word that he followed Valmiki faithfully be taken at face value ? Especially given the history off islamic attacks on India and the Islamic dominance of politics and economics in Kerala ?

Dr. Basheer is a practising muslim, so ethics and morality indicate he should write commentary on koran or even write koran faithfully. Why the insistance that he write "Ramayana" for a majority Hindu population ? They were unable to find a SINGLE HINDU Scholar to quote Valmiki faithfully ? :cheesy:


I fail to see what Matrubhumi was trying to do. Can you explain ? Do you get a Physicist to give a lecture on Chemistry ? Why such double standards when it comes to Ramayana ?

Which part of my posts you seem to disagree with. I'm numbering so that you can reply by quoting the number.

  1. Yes hate speech should not be allowed.
  2. Yes some political miscreants should not be the judge of what is hate speech, the state (police, courts) should be.
  3. As to writing scholarly papers, yes it should be allowed to all
  4. Not just hindus, but others have also used such tactics, and we fall for it because we are not mature enough

1. Hate speech debate is a separate one, I keep an open mind about it. I wanted YOUR take on it since your post indicate that your primary defence was that.

2. In an ideal society or a just society or even in a society where justice was easily accessible , that is true. However, that is not the reality in India, especially so in Kerala.

3. Pretty much ALL scholarly papers on Hinduism is abusive about Hinduism :lol: ....... so what are you complaining about ?

4. Same as point 2. Before seeking utopia, better to take a hard look at reality. Otherwise your post comes across as a childish idealist.
 
Something fishy here..... If his intention was to get it published, then there are several news papers other than mathrubhoomi who would love to print this.......
 
How can Dr. Basheer's word that he followed Valmiki faithfully be taken at face value ? Especially given the history off islamic attacks on India and the Islamic dominance of politics and economics in Kerala ?

Dr. Basheer is a practising muslim, so ethics and morality indicate he should write commentary on koran or even write koran faithfully. Why the insistance that he write "Ramayana" for a majority Hindu population ? They were unable to find a SINGLE HINDU Scholar to quote Valmiki faithfully ? :cheesy:


I fail to see what Matrubhumi was trying to do. Can you explain ? Do you get a Physicist to give a lecture on Chemistry ? Why such double standards when it comes to Ramayana ?

Instead of ranting...just try to find if he had quoted anything wrong from Valmiki. If he quoted wrong i agree that he should even be punished. Shri Shri shri shri shri shri Ravishankar also wrote about Namaz ( with full of wrong things, he later accepted it).

It appears that he was quoting it correctly but story actually irritated sanghis..

Shambuka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
We have seen numerous non-Hindus so called 'scholars' write about Hinduism with their little or no understanding of Hinduism and twisted motives, thanks but no thanks
 
Instead of ranting...just try to find if he had quoted anything wrong from Valmiki. If he quoted wrong i agree that he should even be punished. Shri Shri shri shri shri shri Ravishankar also wrote about Namaz ( with full of wrong things, he later accepted it).

LOL.... you are the one ranting after your pathetic OP designed to highlight "hindutva" as thugs fell flat on its face.

I am not required to find anything objectionable about what he wrote. I am objecting to a muslim being asked to explain Ramayan to Majority Hindus in Kerala.

Instead of ranting...just try to find if he had quoted anything wrong from Valmiki. If he quoted wrong i agree that he should even be punished. Shri Shri shri shri shri shri Ravishankar also wrote about Namaz ( with full of wrong things, he later accepted it).

It appears that he was quoting it correctly but story actually irritated sanghis..

Shambuka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wikipedia is not a recognized Hindu Scripture :lol: ............ did you think it was ? :cheesy:
 
We have seen numerous non-Hindus so called 'scholars' write about Hinduism with their little or no understanding of Hinduism and twisted motives, thanks but no thanks
Valmiki is non-Hindu...I never knew

LOL.... you are the one ranting after your pathetic OP designed to highlight "hindutva" as thugs fell flat on its face.

I am not required to find anything objectionable about what he wrote. I am objecting to a muslim being asked to explain Ramayan to Majority Hindus in Kerala.



Wikipedia is not a recognized Hindu Scripture :lol: ............ did you think it was ? :cheesy:

Dude, I know u r not able to digest..Just go and see the sources used in wiki
 
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