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What’s the real story behind the $3.8 trillion Chinese correction?

Published time: 17 Jul, 2015 14:42Edited time: 17 Jul, 2015 14:56

The IMF – considering its disaster capitalism record all across the developing world, not to mention the post-1997 Asian financial crisis – is never a reliable source. But in this case, IMF chief economist Olivier Blanchard at least did not make a fool of himself; he emphasized China’s casino stock market “doesn’t reflect on the fundamentals” of its economy. The slump, he added, “was very much a sideshow.”

To get rich is a casino
China’s stock market is dominated by small investors. Roughly 5 percent to 6 percent of China’s 1.4 billion people – a nation of inveterate gamblers – relish playing the stock market. Individuals account for 80 percent of trading in Shanghai and Shenzhen. Yet this accounts for only 32 percent of China’s GDP – compared to the whopping 123 percent in America’s case, and at least 100 percent for most developed nations.

True, these investors, after the recent shellacking, will become more prudent, and Chinese consumption as a whole may slow down. But the financial pain in fact applies to no more than 30 million Chinese households – and most of them range from upper-middle-class to the very wealthy, according to financial services outfit GaveKal.

There may be further corrections down the road. But then, at least they learned.

Beijing has spent a lot of political and economic capital to make Shanghai a globally accepted capital market; in sum, the new Hong Kong. That’s also connected a drive to establish the yuan as a true global currency. And economic success is the key vector in President Xi Jinping’s project of realizing the “Chinese dream”.

It’s always important to remember that Xi’s “Chinese dream,” short-term, is already focused on a key date, 2021; that’s the centenary of the founding of the Chinese Communist Party. By then, Xi expects to have established China as a “moderately prosperous society.”

Those 30 million households addicted to the idea that “to get rich is glorious” – yet another Deng maxim - that’s fine. But for Beijing, even more important is the power legitimacy yielded by caring about the average Chinese.

For instance, over 13.2 million urban jobs were created in 2014, more than in 2013. And there are more new businesses, an increase of 45.9 per cent, compared to the year before. Consumption and services continue to grow in relation to GDP. The overall trend – forgotten in the rubble of stock slump hysteria – is that China's economic model is slowly but surely shifting towards more moderate - but more sustainable - growth.

Last but not least, China grew 7 percent in the second quarter of 2015 – leaving the usual prophets of doom with their mouths agape.

The attack of the killer speculators
Beijing knows that a prolonged bear market might affect corporate financing, wreak havoc in the tweaking of the economic shift, and even pose a serious political risk for the leadership.

After some hesitation by the leadership on how to “save” the market, Premier Li Keqiang – a PhD in economics - chaired a State Council meeting, and the whole machine went into full crisis management, swiftly correcting the correction. As Ma Guoxian, a political economist at Shanghai University of Finance and Economics put it, "the government has apparently put financial stability and social stability over the long-term agenda of market reform to develop its capital markets."

And there’s also the short-term angle as well. Beijing needs a bull market back ahead of the annual leadership summit at the seaside resort of Beidaihe near Beijing next month.

No wonder the notion that this Mother of all Corrections, which was a setup, also started getting a lot of traction. A setup by Wall Street speculators is tied to saber rattling by the Pentagon over those offshore islands in the South China Sea, and also geared to punish China for its strategic partnership with Russia. This is no conspiracy theory; I learned it from US executives whose companies have a strong presence in the Chinese market.

They mentioned 1987 as a precedent, when major US houses first manipulated the markets up using cash settlement, and then crashed it by cash settlement maneuvers. The engineered plunge in New York in 1987 might have wiped out the entire US capital market. The Fed then intervened, forcing the manipulators to reverse their positions in cash settlement.

So according to these US executives, Beijing was absolutely correct to intervene this time to save their capital market. The bottom line is that in casino capitalism as favored by the Neoliberal Gods, all markets are manipulated.

Beijing does not believe that unrestricted financial markets per se may organize the economic growth of a nation; they are just a tool in a varied toolbox.

They also know that the dance of capital in the global roulette – predominating over productive capital – explained a good deal of the artificial boom in Shanghai paper. So Beijing may have taken a while to act. But when it did, it was Terminator-style.

The Middle Kingdom strikes back
Even the OECD has sounded the alarm – in vain; global mega-corporations and institutional investors are sitting on no less than $57 trillion, the equivalent of 120 percent of the total GDP of all industrialized nations. But they don’t invest in production, just speculation.

Why? Because – at least in the West – there are no jobs; demand is stagnated, or falling; there’s no public drive towards investment; there are no big infrastructure projects. That’s not the case in Asia – and especially in China.

Seven years after the implosion of the Brave New Neoliberal Order, in 2008, fixed investment in the industrialized North is 17 percent below 2008. Productive foreign investment fell in 2014. Meanwhile, inequality has gone crazy; in the industrialized North, the average wealth of the top 10 percent is ten times the average wealth of the lower 10 percent (it used to be between seven- or maximum eight-times a generation ago.)

So in a nutshell what we have is a wealthy rentier mentality gone amok, engineering bubbles that then turn into crashes. Beijing, with its intervention, said enough is enough. And additionally sent a clear message to speculators/market manipulators, which may or may not have included “official” Washington (the US Treasury Department, by the way, rejected any responsibility); forget about planning an attack on our financial market. It’s quite significant that the China Securities Regulatory Commission has launched a criminal investigation.

Assuming our US executives are right, and Wall Street speculators did launch an attack, the endgame would be to smash, or at least dent, the Chinese drive towards nothing less than Eurasia integration.

It’s China – from the New Silk Roads to the AIIB bank and its leading role in the BRICS’s New Development Bank as well – which is the major player in financing a series of major banking, infrastructure, and development projects that totally bypass the global hegemon.

So Beijing wins this round. There will be others. See you in the next Mother of All Corrections.

**

@Beidou2020 , @cirr , @tranquilium , @AndrewJin et al.
 
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What’s the real story behind the $3.8 trillion Chinese correction?

Published time: 17 Jul, 2015 14:42Edited time: 17 Jul, 2015 14:56

The IMF – considering its disaster capitalism record all across the developing world, not to mention the post-1997 Asian financial crisis – is never a reliable source. But in this case, IMF chief economist Olivier Blanchard at least did not make a fool of himself; he emphasized China’s casino stock market “doesn’t reflect on the fundamentals” of its economy. The slump, he added, “was very much a sideshow.”

To get rich is a casino
China’s stock market is dominated by small investors. Roughly 5 percent to 6 percent of China’s 1.4 billion people – a nation of inveterate gamblers – relish playing the stock market. Individuals account for 80 percent of trading in Shanghai and Shenzhen. Yet this accounts for only 32 percent of China’s GDP – compared to the whopping 123 percent in America’s case, and at least 100 percent for most developed nations.

True, these investors, after the recent shellacking, will become more prudent, and Chinese consumption as a whole may slow down. But the financial pain in fact applies to no more than 30 million Chinese households – and most of them range from upper-middle-class to the very wealthy, according to financial services outfit GaveKal.

There may be further corrections down the road. But then, at least they learned.

Beijing has spent a lot of political and economic capital to make Shanghai a globally accepted capital market; in sum, the new Hong Kong. That’s also connected a drive to establish the yuan as a true global currency. And economic success is the key vector in President Xi Jinping’s project of realizing the “Chinese dream”.

It’s always important to remember that Xi’s “Chinese dream,” short-term, is already focused on a key date, 2021; that’s the centenary of the founding of the Chinese Communist Party. By then, Xi expects to have established China as a “moderately prosperous society.”

Those 30 million households addicted to the idea that “to get rich is glorious” – yet another Deng maxim - that’s fine. But for Beijing, even more important is the power legitimacy yielded by caring about the average Chinese.

For instance, over 13.2 million urban jobs were created in 2014, more than in 2013. And there are more new businesses, an increase of 45.9 per cent, compared to the year before. Consumption and services continue to grow in relation to GDP. The overall trend – forgotten in the rubble of stock slump hysteria – is that China's economic model is slowly but surely shifting towards more moderate - but more sustainable - growth.

Last but not least, China grew 7 percent in the second quarter of 2015 – leaving the usual prophets of doom with their mouths agape.

The attack of the killer speculators
Beijing knows that a prolonged bear market might affect corporate financing, wreak havoc in the tweaking of the economic shift, and even pose a serious political risk for the leadership.

After some hesitation by the leadership on how to “save” the market, Premier Li Keqiang – a PhD in economics - chaired a State Council meeting, and the whole machine went into full crisis management, swiftly correcting the correction. As Ma Guoxian, a political economist at Shanghai University of Finance and Economics put it, "the government has apparently put financial stability and social stability over the long-term agenda of market reform to develop its capital markets."

And there’s also the short-term angle as well. Beijing needs a bull market back ahead of the annual leadership summit at the seaside resort of Beidaihe near Beijing next month.

No wonder the notion that this Mother of all Corrections, which was a setup, also started getting a lot of traction. A setup by Wall Street speculators is tied to saber rattling by the Pentagon over those offshore islands in the South China Sea, and also geared to punish China for its strategic partnership with Russia. This is no conspiracy theory; I learned it from US executives whose companies have a strong presence in the Chinese market.

They mentioned 1987 as a precedent, when major US houses first manipulated the markets up using cash settlement, and then crashed it by cash settlement maneuvers. The engineered plunge in New York in 1987 might have wiped out the entire US capital market. The Fed then intervened, forcing the manipulators to reverse their positions in cash settlement.

So according to these US executives, Beijing was absolutely correct to intervene this time to save their capital market. The bottom line is that in casino capitalism as favored by the Neoliberal Gods, all markets are manipulated.

Beijing does not believe that unrestricted financial markets per se may organize the economic growth of a nation; they are just a tool in a varied toolbox.

They also know that the dance of capital in the global roulette – predominating over productive capital – explained a good deal of the artificial boom in Shanghai paper. So Beijing may have taken a while to act. But when it did, it was Terminator-style.

The Middle Kingdom strikes back
Even the OECD has sounded the alarm – in vain; global mega-corporations and institutional investors are sitting on no less than $57 trillion, the equivalent of 120 percent of the total GDP of all industrialized nations. But they don’t invest in production, just speculation.

Why? Because – at least in the West – there are no jobs; demand is stagnated, or falling; there’s no public drive towards investment; there are no big infrastructure projects. That’s not the case in Asia – and especially in China.

Seven years after the implosion of the Brave New Neoliberal Order, in 2008, fixed investment in the industrialized North is 17 percent below 2008. Productive foreign investment fell in 2014. Meanwhile, inequality has gone crazy; in the industrialized North, the average wealth of the top 10 percent is ten times the average wealth of the lower 10 percent (it used to be between seven- or maximum eight-times a generation ago.)

So in a nutshell what we have is a wealthy rentier mentality gone amok, engineering bubbles that then turn into crashes. Beijing, with its intervention, said enough is enough. And additionally sent a clear message to speculators/market manipulators, which may or may not have included “official” Washington (the US Treasury Department, by the way, rejected any responsibility); forget about planning an attack on our financial market. It’s quite significant that the China Securities Regulatory Commission has launched a criminal investigation.

Assuming our US executives are right, and Wall Street speculators did launch an attack, the endgame would be to smash, or at least dent, the Chinese drive towards nothing less than Eurasia integration.

It’s China – from the New Silk Roads to the AIIB bank and its leading role in the BRICS’s New Development Bank as well – which is the major player in financing a series of major banking, infrastructure, and development projects that totally bypass the global hegemon.

So Beijing wins this round. There will be others. See you in the next Mother of All Corrections.

**

@Beidou2020 , @cirr , @tranquilium , @AndrewJin et al.

Shanghai Composite Index, 1 Year Trend as of today

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The numbers, the trend, are self-explanatory.
 
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Don't do that, you'd shatter atawolf or viet's dream.

Well, according to the news today, the central government is considering the current effort sufficient. the Shanghai index is stabilizing around 4000 points. Further Correction may still occur, but anyone who loses money from this point only has himself/herself to blame.

I don't necessary agree the correction is engineering by foreign investors. This is because the A-share market is predominantly domestic capital and foreign entities lack the ability to control those. However, it is quite possible domestic investors are responsible for this. Though considering the ruckus it caused, I would expect quite a few heads to roll.
 
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Don't do that, you'd shatter atawolf or viet's dream.

I thought it was the Indians like @ito who were the most excited about this? :P

It guess it hurts them to think that our stock markets fell by almost double the entire Indian GDP, yet our stock markets are still 80% up over last year. :cheesy:
 
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I thought it was the Indians like @ito who were the most exited about this? :P

It guess it hurts them to think that our stock markets fell by almost double the entire Indian GDP, yet our stock markets are still 80% up over last year. :cheesy:

I remember 1~2 months ago PDF posters asked me "bro shall I buy shares now?" My reply was clear, it's upto you depend on what you are going after, but whatever you do, just don't gamble bro!

Back to topic, compared to HK, there are many things Shanghai/Shenzhen has to catch up, i.e. market reform. Reform is so complicated and broad-spanned, its process will takes some time, and before completion Beijing doesn't want a volatile market. So my advice is still the same, don't gamble, swim with the big fishes.
 
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I remember 1~2 months ago PDF posters asked me "bro shall I buy shares now?" My reply was clear, it's upto you depend on what you are going after, but whatever you do, just don't gamble bro!

Back to topic, compared to HK, there are many things Shanghai/Shenzhen has to catch up, i.e. market reform. Reform is so complicated and broad-spanned, its process will takes some time, and before completion Beijing doesn't want a volatile market. So my advice is still the same, don't gamble, swim with the big fishes.

Well brother, I only do long-term investment myself. I still have my ICBC shares that I bought a while back. :cheesy: (I think I bought them soon after they listed on the Hang Seng Index).

Day trading, short selling, speculation, I'm not into that sort of stuff. If I want to gamble I'll just go to Macau, you know? :azn:

I'm one of those guys who never gambles though, lol. Even playing Big Two or Majiang I'll never use any actual money.
 
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Well brother, I only do long-term investment myself. I still have my ICBC shares that I bought a while back. :cheesy: (I think I bought them soon after they listed on the Hang Seng Index).

Day trading, short selling, speculation, I'm not into that sort of stuff. If I want to gamble I'll just go to Macau, you know? :azn:

I'm one of those guys who never gambles though, lol. Even playing Big Two or Majiang I'll never use any actual money.

Well said, always keep the day job, work in real economy, and maintain an investment that fits your needs (e.g. age, profession, family status, even hobby). For those who work have day jobs in investment, if they aren't dumb they always win however small, cos they do this for a living.

Macau? My favorite place, go there several times a year, usually play at Wynn or other VIP rooms (赌厅), cos my clients love Baccarat. I just play along for some fun, enjoy great foods, shopping and sauna!

The suite at Encore (the full-suite wing of Wynn) is excellent!

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I thought it was the Indians like @ito who were the most exited about this? :P

It guess it hurts them to think that our stock markets fell by almost double the entire Indian GDP, yet our stock markets are still 80% up over last year. :cheesy:

:lol: In order to save your stock market, Chinese government is destroying your economy. Your stock market was a source of not more than 5% of corporate financing was a blessing. This was proved when the world didn't blinked even when $4 trillion of money was wiped out. But infusing $500 billion from lending market (source of 75% of your corporate financing ) to stock market is just spreading the problems from stock market to lending market.

This is just the start..watch and see...
 
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:lol: In order to save your stock market, Chinese government is destroying your economy. Your stock market was a source of not more than 5% of corporate financing was a blessing. This was proved when the world didn't blinked even when $4 trillion of money was wiped out. But infusing $500 billion from lending market (source of 75% of your corporate financing ) to stock market is just spreading the problems from stock market to lending market.

This is just the start..watch and see...

More predictions? Even after falling flat on your face from last time? :lol:

Alright, we'll see. :azn:
 
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Slowdown set to bottom out in 2015, with stronger growth likely in coming years

China's economy is likely to post better performance in the second half of the year and it could register growth of more than 7 percent for the whole of 2015.

The second-quarter growth rate may have been above most forecasts, but it was in line with my expectations. Given factors such as recent policy easing, the economy is likely to further stabilize in the second half of the year.

Some analysts believe China will need to further loosen policies to spur economic expansion, because some indicators such as fixed-assets investment for the first half were below the central government's full-year target. But in my opinion, it's more important to maintain the current strategy for macroeconomic regulation and to continue implementing existing policies to ensure they can take effect in boosting sustainable economic growth, given there are signs of recovery in the real estate market and infrastructure investment growth.

As for the longer term, China's economy is unlikely to post worse performance during the 13th five-year plan period (2016-20) than this year. That means the slowdown in the economy will bottom out by the end of the year.

Even though overall economic expansion is unlikely to decelerate further, the country's economic structure is expected to change substantially. Exports have long been a key driving force for China's economic growth, but they will probably contribute less to GDP growth in coming years. Meanwhile, rising consumption in the domestic market will become a bigger driving force for economic expansion.

Recent figures provide evidence of this. In the first half, China's exports rose by just 1 percent year-on-year, while retail sales growth posted a much higher growth rate of 10.4 percent year-on-year. This trend is likely to be maintained in the coming years.

Meanwhile, the primary task for 2016-20 should be actively adapting to the "new normal" of slower but higher-quality economic growth. China is shifting away from a reliance on manufacturing and investment, and toward a greater focus on innovation and production of higher value-added products.

The author is a researcher with the Development Research Center of the State Council.
 
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New interpretations needed as China enters new normal
July 20, 2015

Tung Chee-hwa, vice chairman of China's top political advisory body, said on Monday that as Chinese economy enters the mode of "new normal", the interpretation of traditional statistics should also get improved.

Tung, who is also a former chief executive of China's Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (HKSAR), made the remarks in his keynote speech at the opening ceremony of the Future China Global Forum here.

Pointing out that managing a soft landing and achieving a new normal is never easy to such a huge economy, he stressed that it is "particularly difficult" as the global economy is still suffering from the after-effects of the economic crisis of 2008 and 2009.

As the "new normal" takes hold, traditional calculation of statistics does not work anymore, one example is the employment rate, he said.

"There has been concerns over whether employment would be affected as the economy entered the new normal," Tung said, however, he stressed, with GDP growing at 7 percent, "every dollar the GDP produced by the service sector, one third more jobs would be created as compared to jobs created by manufacturing sector."

"This is the say, even though as the whole economic growth is to drop from 10 percent to 7 percent, the employment should stay," he said.

He further explained his point with the latest economic data. According to the statistics released last Wednesday, 7 million new jobs have been created in the first half of 2015, which Tung said "indeed help to prove the contention to be correct."

"The new normal is well underway to create 10 million jobs as planned annually, or indeed even more," he said, adding that under the new normal, many economic pattern has to be interpreted carefully to draw conclusion.

In his speech, Tung also highlighted that as China enters the state of new normal, problems also emerged, including the disparity between industries and enterprises.

"Those regions eager to restructure and upgrade their economies will maintain a stable growth while those slow in action will suffer badly," he said, adding that new industries such as IT, high-end equipment manufacturing, new energy and e-commerce would go faster, becoming the new engine of economy.

Despite the difficulties, Tung remains optimistic about the future of China's economy.

Since 1949, from a impoverished, war-time country to the second largest economy in the world, it has not been an easy ride for China, he said, adding that a large economy integrating into a greater world is also much more complex.

"Combine that, managing a soft landing and achieving a new normal is almost an impossible task. But the Chinese economy has proven elasticity and potential that gave her a lot of leeway," he said.

@Chinese-Dragon , @tranquilium
 
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Tung Chee-hwa, vice chairman of China's top political advisory body, said on Monday that as Chinese economy enters the mode of "new normal", the interpretation of traditional statistics should also get improved.

Tung, who is also a former chief executive of China's Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (HKSAR), made the remarks in his keynote speech at the opening ceremony of the Future China Global Forum here.

Ugh, Tung Chee-hwa, what an a$$.

Didn't we throw that guy out of office a while ago?

If I remember correctly, even Hu Jintao flew down personally to scold Tung Chee-hwa for being so useless.
 
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More predictions? Even after falling flat on your face from last time? :lol:

Alright, we'll see. :azn:


What predictions... did your stock markets grew to the pre fall level? It is still in the same level, in spite of your government threat to arrest investors who want to sell their stocks. Now..only in China, it is a crime to sell his/her assets. :lol: But the great damage has already been done. Foreign investors will think 100 times before investing in Chinese stock markets...not for the fear of loosing money but fearing of getting attested for selling theirs own stock :lol:
 
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