What would be JF-17 Sortie Count

[Windjammer]

Back in November 2011, Air Commodore Khalid Mahmood disclosed to the media that the JF-17 has already completed 10,000 sorties in the Pakistani service. That was over four years ago while there were only two JF-17 Squadrons operational with PAF. Since then another two squadrons have converted to the type, also in the last few years the JF-17s have been much more active, flying out and participating in several International air shows, carrying out strike missions against the terrorists and also taking part in ISAC and Fire-power displays.
So it wouldn't be illogical to conclude that in the last four years, the JF-17 must have tallied more than 30.000 sorties to it's credit. It's also worth pointing out that the only JF-17 loss occurred in November 2011, after it had completed the 10.000 sorties. Touchwood, last four years have been busy but incident free. Speaks volumes for JF-17's credibility.

Pakistan Air Force's JF-17 Thunder Completes 10,000 Sorties | Pakistan Military Review

 

[Aamir Hussain]

it is good sign after a relatively high accident ratios on F-7's n aging Mirages. Good job JFT n PAF!!

 

[shah1398]

With increase in number of Squadron the total logged sorties/hours could have even surpassed 30,000 as other than routine flying Thunders have played active role in many exercises and anti terrorism missions.

 

[Foxtrot-Bravo]

8 more JF-17 Thunders are ready to be handed over to Pakistan Air Force and Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif is coming to PAC this week to complete the handing over the ceremony.

 

[Windjammer]

With increase in number of Squadron the total logged sorties/hours could have even surpassed 30,000 as other than routine flying Thunders have played active role in many exercises and anti terrorism missions.

So over 10.000 until 2011, add to that over 30.000....overall you are talking almost 50.000 sorties under it's belt.
Elsewhere we had some Indian member claiming the 3000 sorties for Tejas and challenging the JF-17.

 

[shah1398]

So over 10.000 until 2011, add to that over 30.000....overall you are talking almost 50.000 sorties under it's belt.
Elsewhere we had some Indian member claiming the 3000 sorties for Tejas and challenging the JF-17.

Sir sanity never prevails with everyone

 

[abdulbarijan]

@Windjammer -- Do you have any reports or info regarding how the No. of sorties were affected after the crash ..

Cuz apparently, the year after that i.e 2012 ... we had very less production, I suppose that year was more or less used to do a root-cause analysis and applying corrections after the crash ...

Therefore, I'd think the equation gets a bit complicated when you start considering these things, in that the numbers of JFT's are also increasing and so, theoretically you'd have more sorties ... so after considering all that in my opinion a number around 25,000 to 35,000 would be alot more reliable ... However, a little more concrete number would be appreciated ...

@Dazzler -- Any ideas ?? -- BTW whats cooking in the rumor mill these days ?

 

[Windjammer]

@Windjammer -- Do you have any reports or info regarding how the No. of sorties were affected after the crash ..

Cuz apparently, the year after that i.e 2012 ... we had very less production, I suppose that year was more or less used to do a root-cause analysis and applying corrections after the crash ...

Therefore, I'd think the equation gets a bit complicated when you start considering these things, in that the numbers of JFT's are also increasing and so, theoretically you'd have more sorties ... so after considering all that in my opinion a number around 25,000 to 35,000 would be alot more reliable ... However, a little more concrete number would be appreciated ...

@Dazzler -- Any ideas ?? -- BTW whats cooking in the rumor mill these days ?

Sorry i don't have much info off hand, however considering that the participation and display in Dubai show went ahead soon after the crash, wonder if it did actually effect the actual flying.

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

With increase in number of Squadron the total logged sorties/hours could have even surpassed 30,000 as other than routine flying Thunders have played active role in many exercises and anti terrorism missions.

Oh Come on.... thats not possible... How many JF17s does Pakistan have 60 .... that means every JF 17 Would have performed 500 Sorties ...there is a limit to fanboyisim.

 

[Windjammer]

Oh Come on.... thats not possible... How many JF17s does Pakistan have 60 .... that means every JF 17 Would have performed 500 Sorties ...there is a limit to fanboyisim.

There's no fantasy figure.....you are talking over a period of four years.

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

There's no fantasy figure.....you are talking over a period of four years.

Numbers
JF-17 Block 1 2007 2
JF-17 Block 1 2008 6
JF-17 Block 1 2009 4
JF-17 Block 1 2010 8
JF-17 Block 1 2011 14
JF-17 Block 1 2012 2
JF-17 Block 1 2013 14
JF-17 Block 2 2015 10

Now tell me .... a fighter inducted in 2015... can it conduct 500 Sorties in 365 days.

guys some one need emergency burn remedy

A high end Fighter Jet in Current generation can fly Not more that 2.5 Sorties in a day.... Go figure.

 

[Windjammer]

Numbers
JF-17 Block 1 2007 2
JF-17 Block 1 2008 6
JF-17 Block 1 2009 4
JF-17 Block 1 2010 8
JF-17 Block 1 2011 14
JF-17 Block 1 2012 2
JF-17 Block 1 2013 14
JF-17 Block 2 2015 10

Now tell me .... a fighter inducted in 2015... can it conduct 500 Sorties in 365 days.

Let me make it easy for you....let's just assume there were 50 aircraft operational.
30.000 <> 50 = 600.......600 <> over four years = 150. Easy Maths.
You mean to say that an aircraft can't fly 150 sorties a year. !!!

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

Let me make it easy for you....let's just assume there were 50 aircraft operational.
30.000 <> 50 = 600.......600 <> over four years = 150. Easy Maths.
You mean to say that an aircraft can't fly 150 sorties a year. !!!

I knew that was coming....This is only possible if you have 50 Aircraft starting year one...

 

[Bratva]

Numbers
JF-17 Block 1 2007 2
JF-17 Block 1 2008 6
JF-17 Block 1 2009 4
JF-17 Block 1 2010 8
JF-17 Block 1 2011 14
JF-17 Block 1 2012 2
JF-17 Block 1 2013 14
JF-17 Block 2 2015 10

Now tell me .... a fighter inducted in 2015... can it conduct 500 Sorties in 365 days.


A high end Fighter Jet in Current generation can fly Not more that 2.5 Sorties in a day.... Go figure.

Who says there were 8 JF inducted in 2010 and 2 in 2012, 14 in 2013 and only 10 in 2015 ? Have you counted the serial numbers ?

 

[sparten]

It is also possible if you have planes involved in heavy combat, like all three JF17 squadrons have been. Then you are looking at multiple sorties a day for an extended period.

Which raises the question, how has the current W border ops affected preducted lifespan and attrition rates?