What Transpired on 27th Feb. For India To Declare it an Act of War !

[Windjammer]

New information has emerged that after Pakistan Airforce (PAF) carried out it's operation Swift Retort on 27th February 2019, against Indian air and ground assets, in response to Indian misadventure the previous day, it resulted in Indian government declaring it an open act of war. Due to the Pakistani onslaught, India threatened to carry out missile strikes against Pakistan.
The whole scenario begs the question that albeit Pakistan has disclosed that it never directly targeted Indian Military assets but just delivered a message by striking barren areas in the proximity of Indian Army Brigade HQ and Supply Depot in Naushera Sectors of Indian Occupied Kashmir. In the ensuing Air battle following these attacks, PAF shot down two Indian aircraft, a MiG-21 which fell inside Pakistani territory and it's pilot captured while an SU-30 was hit deep inside Indian airspace. India, however after some denials, admitted to the loss of just a MiG-21. Now the question arises, while Pakistan admitted that no Indian ground targets were hit and PAF only responded to Indian aggression and although IAF attempted to strike at a civilian compound in Pakistan but PAF stuck to it's guns by going after military targets.....then what compelled India to declare an episode as an act of war. !!!! Surely not the loss of an ageing MiG-21. It's also worth noting that India no longer decided to use it's air force and instead threatened to launch missile strikes. Alas it's not difficult to conclude that something badly hurt India

but at the same time it didn't want to rely on it's air force. Later, India or IAF shot it 'self in the foot again by flying the so called Balakot formation.....trying to prove that it didn't lose any SU-30 and the aircraft in formation is the one that PAF is claiming to have shot down. Well this exercise would have been worthwhile, had the IAF gone into battle with only Two SU-30s but with over 250 examples on strength, it was sheer desperation to cover up the loss and in hindsight revealing why India considered PAF action as an act of war.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Pak kept her cool and won that episode….

India wanted to punch way above her weight category and lost all over the places….

By the by, thanks to the Indian incompetence, the ultimate loser is Israil for her systems - be it radars, EW, AD, SOMs or something else - miserably failed in unison! Hopefully, now they would believe they’re not the chosen people….

*Aiding the break-up of Pak by leveraging the Bangals, who voluntarily want BD to be the wife of India, is no epitome of feats from Israil

 

[Goenitz]

, it was sheer desperation to cover up the loss and in hindsight revealing why India considered PAF action as an act of war

I guess the bomb hitting near the GHQ, where senior military commander was present, is more valid reason than the aircraft loss. The other thing is lack of communication (intra-operability), that miscommunicated the level of aggression to Dehli. Such as who shot the heli, plus whether PAF hit military targets or missed it, etc. But the top most is, armed forces 'obedience' to Modi. They cannot object or challenge the 'raaaw wisdom' even on national issues.

Not while ago, CDS chief said that IAF is a supporting arm of the army. This shows that services are not at same page at briefing, thinking and communication level. Hence, no intra- operability results in lack of strategic decision making, damage assessment, response and more. Its not that simple but these can be 15-20% of the reason. @PanzerKiel

The main reason is the arrogance of Modi. Be it Lockdown, Babri mosque, Sedition laws, Currency change, Farmers law, Income tax reforms, Article 370, etc. He considers Dehli a local constituency such as a seat of Gujrat, where he tries to control and dominate by Hindu/Muslim riots, Hindi language preference (one nation, one rule), Gandhi vs Patel, etc. Modi can be a good CM as province has mainly one ethnic background, taste, problems and hero. But a country like India, which is so diverse that language, cloths, food, ethnicity and even gods change. For that, you need a larger than life character who can accommodate everyone.

Hence, at national level, such gimmicks backfire. So Modi thinks that he can bully Pakistan like he can do to his constituents by police, courts, media, RSS goons, morning walk threats, etc,. His limited exposure of state governance, totally limits him to think for national/international politics, and totally unfit to command a multi ethnic/racial/religious nation.

Modi is just benefiting India power/class structure that by ruling some segment of the majority, Dehli can rule all over the subcontinent as it has been ruling since Khilji times.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

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New information has emerged that after Pakistan Airforce (PAF) carried out it's operation Swift Retort on 27th February 2019, against Indian air and ground assets, in response to Indian misadventure the previous day, it resulted in Indian government declaring it an open act of war. Due to the Pakistani onslaught, India threatened to carry out missile strikes against Pakistan.
The whole scenario begs the question that albeit Pakistan has disclosed that it never directly targeted Indian Military assets but just delivered a message by striking barren areas in the proximity of Indian Army Brigade HQ and Supply Depot in Naushera Sectors of Indian Occupied Kashmir. In the ensuing Air battle following these attacks, PAF shot down two Indian aircraft, a MiG-21 which fell inside Pakistani territory and it's pilot captured while an SU-30 was hit deep inside Indian airspace. India, however after some denials, admitted to the loss of just a MiG-21. Now the question arises, while Pakistan admitted that no Indian ground targets were hit and PAF only responded to Indian aggression and although IAF attempted to strike at a civilian compound in Pakistan but PAF stuck to it's guns by going after military targets.....then what compelled India to declare an episode as an act of war. !!!! Surely not the loss of an ageing MiG-21. It's also worth noting that India no longer decided to use it's air force and instead threatened to launch missile strikes. Alas it's not difficult to conclude that something badly hurt India
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but at the same time it didn't want to rely on it's air force. Later, India or IAF shot it 'self in the foot again by flying the so called Balakot formation.....trying to prove that it didn't lose any SU-30 and the aircraft in formation is the one that PAF is claiming to have shot down. Well this exercise would have been worthwhile, had the IAF gone into battle with only Two SU-30s but with over 250 examples on strength, it was sheer desperation to cover up the loss and in hindsight revealing why India considered PAF action as an act of war.



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whats is the name of radar in last pic?

 

[Imran Khan]

modi won election it was real objective of indian gov

 

[Waterboy]

Why do we keep bring one skirmish back again and again. The indians were humiliated, but they learned and moved on.

They have inducted a very potent rafale and we're still in the same boat with no new inductions. They're preparing heavily for the next skirmish and the odds don't look good for us.

 

[Rank]

modi won election it was real objective of indian gov

100% and he won you know why? as per Indian here in canada and US, what I have heard "Modi ki tu lag gaye the 27th ko likin Modi sirf tumharay PM ki waja say jeeta jisnay hamara pilot wapis kardiya agar woh pilot tum sirf 5 din rakhtay mazeed tu Modi ka jo haal hona tha woh soch hey" I have heard exactly same thing for every single Indian here...... they admitted hamari lag chuki the PAF kay hathoon likin Modi nay pilot wapis karnay pe jo media kay through game khela that was the reason Modi somehow achieved his one of the major goal.

 

[Goenitz]

100% and he won you know why? as per Indian here in canada and US, what I have heard "Modi ki tu lag gaye the 27th ko likin Modi sirf tumharay PM ki waja say jeeta jisnay hamara pilot wapis kardiya agar woh pilot tum sirf 5 din rakhtay mazeed tu Modi ka jo haal hona tha woh soch hey" I have heard exactly same thing for every single Indian here...... they admitted hamari lag chuki the PAF kay hathoon likin Modi nay pilot wapis karnay pe jo media kay through game khela that was the reason Modi somehow achieved his one of the major goal.

I don't agree. The biharis suffered the most during covid migration, still BJP won in Bihar.
People died due to lack of oxygen, in Dehli and UP, and probably BJP will win again in UP. Yogi and Modi image has not been tarnished and they can win easily even today in national election.

The reason is the public image and propaganda propagated by media and whatssapp. Which prevent public to receive real news.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Modi's victory was actually Pakistan's victory, that is exactly what we wanted because what he has done to India in the few years we couldn't have done that in 50 years.

100% and he won you know why? as per Indian here in canada and US, what I have heard "Modi ki tu lag gaye the 27th ko likin Modi sirf tumharay PM ki waja say jeeta jisnay hamara pilot wapis kardiya agar woh pilot tum sirf 5 din rakhtay mazeed tu Modi ka jo haal hona tha woh soch hey" I have heard exactly same thing for every single Indian here...... they admitted hamari lag chuki the PAF kay hathoon likin Modi nay pilot wapis karnay pe jo media kay through game khela that was the reason Modi somehow achieved his one of the major goal.

 

[Aesterix]

Well yes. If indian air strikes were that successful then they should have used more air strikes to punish Pakistan, not threaten missile attacks?
Good point that.

 

[HammerHead081]

Windjammer, you have really milked this topic to its nth degree. I guess we as Pakistanis need to move on and not under estimate our foe. They have added multiple capablities to their portfolio since then and compared to that we haven't done anything worth mentioning.

 

[imadul]

100% and he won you know why? as per Indian here in canada and US, what I have heard "Modi ki tu lag gaye the 27th ko likin Modi sirf tumharay PM ki waja say jeeta jisnay hamara pilot wapis kardiya agar woh pilot tum sirf 5 din rakhtay mazeed tu Modi ka jo haal hona tha woh soch hey" I have heard exactly same thing for every single Indian here...... they admitted hamari lag chuki the PAF kay hathoon likin Modi nay pilot wapis karnay pe jo media kay through game khela that was the reason Modi somehow achieved his one of the major goal.

That's right. Like NS and Zardari, IK also wanted to try his peace things and do his own mistakes thinking he will get a different result.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Although the PAF strikes were at a distance from any visible infrastructure, but the were planned to cause sever damage to an underground ammo dump in one certain location, and the subsequent intel confirmed significant damage to that facility and the stocks contained therein

 

[Windjammer]

Windjammer, you have really milked this topic to its nth degree. I guess we as Pakistanis need to move on and not under estimate our foe. They have added multiple capablities to their portfolio since then and compared to that we haven't done anything worth mentioning.

Were you aware of the news that India had declared PAF actions as an act of war because i certainly wasn't aware of it until recently......besides rest assured that when the test comes again, we will only be reading about it not facing the challenge so leave that to those whose responsibility it is......also sometimes it's better to contribute other than just complain.

 

[Goenitz]

as an act of war because i certainly wasn't aware of it until recently