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Modi hometown's economy is not bad, I heard it's one of most successful provinces in India. Why this riots broke out? Anyone wold like to analyse some profound reasons?

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No indians here for the defence. Obviously they're busy on the Pakistan related threads posting crap endlessly due to the obsession. :enjoy: .

Who knows. Seems no Indian cares what happened in the biggest democracy.

I want to advise Chinese to learn from Indian democracy, but the situation there can hardly give me confidence to convince my friends sometimes.
 
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Who knows. Seems no Indian cares what happened in the biggest democracy.
It's a patel case about quota. They want them to have quota in govt jobs.

Modi hometown's economy is not bad, I heard it's one of most successful provinces in India. Why this riots broke out? Anyone wold like to analyse some profound reasons?

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Also supported by congress to hope to gain voters in Gujarat
 
Modi hometown's economy is not bad, I heard it's one of most successful provinces in India. Why this riots broke out? Anyone wold like to analyse some profound reasons?

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No indians here for the defence. Obviously they're busy on the Pakistan related threads posting crap endlessly due to the obsession. :enjoy: .

Who knows. Seems no Indian cares what happened in the biggest democracy.

I want to advise Chinese to learn from Indian democracy, but the situation there can hardly give me confidence to convince my friends sometimes.

There is already a thread running on this

Policeman among 8 Dead in Gujarat Violence, Army Called In: 10 Developments

@Horus @Oscar @Irfan Baloch , can we have these threads merged
 
Not every patel supporting his movement...like I find Hardik Patel a traitor
 
It's a patel case about quota. They want them to have quota in govt jobs.


Also supported by congress to hope to gain voters in Gujarat

Don't they have other ways ( patiently and peacefully ) to gain the quote but riots? Why the legal method is closed?
@Syama Ayas Your opinions as well?

There is already a thread running on this

Policeman among 8 Dead in Gujarat Violence, Army Called In: 10 Developments

@Horus @Oscar @Irfan Baloch , can we have these threads merged

My fault, I didn't find the similar thread. Actually I did skip the recent threads before I post this one.
 
The Dalits are simply reclaiming their state from the Brahmin oligarchic government.
 
Don't they have other ways ( patiently and peacefully ) to gain the quote but riots? Why the legal method is closed?
@Syama Ayas Your opinions as well?



My fault, I didn't find the similar thread. Actually I did skip the recent threads before I post this one.
Well you know politics ,they all started as peaceful protests but some political people put some goons there to cause riot to score political points. You can relate that to Tinanman square events as west put some goons there for vested interest.

The Dalits are simply reclaiming their state from the Brahmin oligarchic government.
you do understand Patel are in general cast and want to be in OBC to have more jobs.

OBCs threaten to ‘uproot’ Gujarat government if Patels given reservation
Today's rally by OBCs was organised in the wake of the proposed mega-rally of Patels to be held in the city on August 25.
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Patidar leader Hardik Patel addressing a gathering in Vadodara (Express Photo)
Thousands of Other Backward Class communities’ members held a rally here today to counter the agitation of the Patel community which is demanding OBC status and threatened to “uproot” the Gujarat government if it bows to the demand of the Patels.

‘Gujarat Kshatriya-Thakor Sena’ president Alpesh Thakor in his address took a dig at Patel leaders who had earlier threatened the state government to face consequences in the 2017 Assembly elections if their demands were not met.

“We strongly condemn the way in which Patels are pressurising the government to get reservation by threatening to uproot government in 2017. I want to warn this government that don’t take our patience for granted,” Thakor said.

“Patels are just 12 per cent while OBCs, SCs and STs are 78 per cent of state’s population. If Patels will be given even one per cent reservation, this government may no longer remain in power in this year itself, forget about 2017,” he warned.

Thakor who is spearheading the movement to bring all the 146 OBC communities of the state under one roof to counter the ongoing agitation by Patel community demanding reservation slammed the state government for forming a seven-member committee of ministers to listen to the demands of various communities, like Patels, Brahmins and Kshatriyas, who are agitating to get reservation under OBC quota.

“I am doubtful about government’s intentions. This may be a part of a larger conspiracy to remove the reservation in the long run, which is also demanded by Patels and other general castes. I want to warn this government to refrain from such activity,” said Thakor.

The rally was organised near Sabarmati Ashram in the city today, where at least 10,000 members of different OBC communities gathered to listen to their leaders.

Today’s rally by OBCs was organised in the wake of the proposed mega-rally of Patels to be held in the city on August 25, where at least 20 lakh Patel community members are expected to participate as a show of their strength.

The Patels are demanding reservation in government jobs and education under OBC quota. Patels are numerically a strong community in Gujarat and are backing the BJP for the last 25 years.

Apart from OBCs, large number of Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribe members and leaders of several other backward castes from across the state attended the rally today.

Thakor alleged that Patel leaders are providing misleading information about reservation system.

“Patels claim that due to reservation, an OBC student with just 40 per cent marks becomes a doctor, while a Patel student with 80 per cent fails to secure berth in MBBS. I want to challenge them to show a single instance where an OBC with 40 per cent marks secured admission in medical college,” he said.

Now the OBC community has realised that who are their real enemies, he said.

“These general castes projected Muslims as our enemies and incited OBCs to fight against them. But now we have learnt that Muslims are also OBCs. They are among us. We have now realised that our actual enemies are those who want to snatch our right of reservation,” he said.

Thakor shared the stage with several other OBC, Dalit and tribal leaders, including Gujarat president of Chaudhari community Bharat Chaudhari, Koli-Patel community leader Arjun Koli-Patel, Rabari community leader Teja Desai and tribal leader Romel Sutaria among others.

In his speech, Chaudhari called for a statewide agitation if the government bows to the demands of Patels.

He also downplayed the claim of Patel leaders that they can make or break any government.

“Patels claim that they can make or break any government, as they are 12 per cent of population. But, they forget that we are 78 per cent. We can do the same. What will happen if all the OBCs come on road? It will be impossible for this government to be in power if it goes against us,” warned Chaudhari.


OBCs threaten to ‘uproot’ Gujarat government if Patels given reservation | The Indian Express

Basically general caste people want backward cast status to have more jobs.
 
Either a compromise is reached or agitation dies down

Why did democracy not take effect in the issue?

If we use riot to reach compromise, do we still need democracy? Wait for next election, use election result to decide it. This is what I thought about democratic way.
 
The Dalits are simply reclaiming their state from the Brahmin oligarchic government.

The CM of the state is a Patel (the community that is agitating). The home minister, who controls the police, is a Patel. 7 other ministers in the cabinet are Patels. So, in effect, the Patels ARE the government. PDF's Pakistani trolls are an insult to Pakistani intellect (if at all there existed any).
 
Why did democracy not take effect in the issue?

If we use riot to reach compromise, do we still need democracy? Wait for next election, use election result to decide it. This is what I thought about democratic way.
This is a politically motivated movement..people in India are generally peaceful
 
The CM of the state is a Patel (the community that is agitating). The home minister, who controls the police, is a Patel. 7 other ministers in the cabinet are Patels. So, in effect, the Patels ARE the government. PDF's Pakistani trolls are an insult to Pakistani intellect (if at all there existed any).
The biggest irnoy here is Modi himself is from backward caste similar to Patels here.
 
Why did democracy not take effect in the issue?

If we use riot to reach compromise, do we still need democracy? Wait for next election, use election result to decide it. This is what I thought about democratic way.

Unfortunately, this is one consequence of Democracy- proliferation of pressure groups that use such strategies to enter politics.
 

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