Western media’s war on Pakistan

[S-2]

"...its basically based upon the word "western", which you have taken to its logical hyper extension as including ALL OF THE WEST and ALL OF THE MEDIA"

Actually, no. It may be possible that you suffer from a reading disability but I didn't entitle the thread. Dr. Pirzada did so in his effort to display the "contextual stranglehold" of the "western's media war on Pakistan".

Take the hyperextension, entirely logical as you note, up with him. He makes the assertion but, IMHO, fails to make the case. Understandably as it is not possible.

Worse, Pirzada's argument reveals the hypersensitivity of a culture that appears insecure with itself and it's objectives. All of these cultural issues lie as contributing elements behind the scenes to the news so avidly reported by our western media today.

You are in our spotlight as never before. As such, revel that you are no longer "ignored". No indeed. No doubt with so much aid provided by foreign (western) donors, this interest shall continue as decisions to it's worthiness must be made. Thus opinions to be shaped...

...by a media- monolithic, lock-step conspiratorial, and in the deep-pockets of an equally monolithic, lock-step political world-view of the "west".

Pretty much B.S.

"...can i assume this or can you correct me before i move on??"

Assume nothing. From my perspective your casual use of language won't permit less. There is no case to be made here of some western media conspiracy. The news is rather consistently bad in Pakistan. Until that changes it will be reported globally as such since what happens there affects so many of us elsewhere.

There IS a case to be made that nobody enjoys a conspiracy like Pakistanis. If so, this qualifies as yet another example. Chew on that gross stereotype for a bit, if you don't mind.

NOW consider yourself corrected. Move on, good sir.

 

[advaita]

There IS a case to be made that nobody enjoys a conspiracy like Pakistanis. If so, this qualifies as yet another example. Chew on that gross stereotype for a bit, if you don't mind.

NOW consider yourself corrected. Move on, good sir.

Add BD to it too. Actually the whole Ummah.

What is the bit about 150 mil USD. If it is to be spend on Afpak region only or is it to be spend outside also, rest of the Ummah, I mean.

 

[r3alist]

Actually, no. It may be possible that you suffer from a reading disability but I didn't entitle the thread. Dr. Pirzada did so in his effort to display the "contextual stranglehold" of the "western's media war on Pakistan".

Take the hyperextension, entirely logical as you note, up with him. He makes the assertion but, IMHO, fails to make the case. Understandably as it is not possible.

Worse, Pirzada's argument reveals the hypersensitivity of a culture that appears insecure with itself and it's objectives. All of these cultural issues lie as contributing elements behind the scenes to the news so avidly reported by our western media today.

You are in our spotlight as never before. As such, revel that you are no longer "ignored". No indeed. No doubt with so much aid provided by foreign (western) donors, this interest shall continue as decisions to it's worthiness must be made. Thus opinions to be shaped...

...by a media- monolithic, lock-step conspiratorial, and in the deep-pockets of an equally monolithic, lock-step political world-view of the "west".

again it boils down to you being disengenuous, i think its fair to afford one the comfort of saying "western media" rather than listing a dozen different news organisations, channles, newspapers etc etc and still have the intelligence to decipher what one means - the only person who has an issue with this is you - thats because you seem ridiculously robotic in your defence of us of a.



...and again you bring the somewhat racist and very orientalist notion about "our culture" and "insecurity" - who are you referring to?

turks?pakistani's?iranians?

the problem ofcourse lies in some way with us, that is to say the non white, non-western barbarians and the way we ALL think.




the media has always been an instrument of govt. policy throughout history during wartime, thats a fact, you think for some reason it no longer happens in the modern "transparent" era....talk about fairytales eh?

i have posted a video of a stonecold uncontroversial example of us authorities lying and spreading disinfo and it supports the thesis put forward in the opening article, you have so far not commented, please comment on the saddam fake toppling, what are your views on it?

surprise me by saying something other than its irrelevant or it did not happen or "we" are all imagining things because "we" are all so angry.

The news is rather consistently bad in Pakistan.

how can you prove that the news in pakistan is that much more worse than in the us?

care to back your assertion up in whatever way you see fit?

how exactly is the corporate owned intellectually shallow pro-zionist (ooohhh) us media a bastion for true journalism?

There IS a case to be made that nobody enjoys a conspiracy like Pakistanis. If so, this qualifies as yet another example. Chew on that gross stereotype for a bit, if you don't mind.

i dont really care if you label me as a conspiracy theorist, iit just goes to show that you cannot indulge in discussion without name calling and its another subtle hint at some sort of racial jab -serious or not, you may aswell call me an anti-semite and be done with it.

that term only existed after jfk and has since been used to describe anyone who disagrees with "official govt. line" - big deal, i have my view and i am entitled to it, i also encourage all others to not be put off by that term, it stifles free speech

 

[Developereo]

@r3alist

Forget it, my friend.

I already posted a number of links to media studies and reports showing Westen media bias against Muslims, but the Faux News crowd has lost the ability to think for themselves.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/31323-pro-israel-lobby-panicking.html

After decades of being spoonfed prefabricated, predigested opinions by Sean Hannity, Glen Beck, "Papa Bear" O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh, these people have developed intellectual lethargy.

As often happens when you force lazy people to move, they get annoyed. The same is happening here, as evidenced by the racist, bigoted outbursts by some posters against all Muslims.

Btw, I am quite amused watching the Indian loon circling around S-2's posts -- like a fly buzzing around a horse's a*s.

 

[s90]

Read info of video.

 

[S-2]

"Btw, I am quite amused watching the Indian loon circling around S-2's posts -- like a fly buzzing around a horse's a*s. "

On a Pakistani defence forum? Really? And when a post of mine gathers numerous thank yous from Pakistanis are we to presume the same.

I've got OODLES of thanked posts that we can share together to get a better feel, should you wish. OODLES.

Meanwhile are we to assume all those gratuitous thank yous tossed about by Pakistanis to one another are solely in recognition of the superior intellect behind your collective offerings?

Get real.

Funny how few of you choose to mix it up on a western defense forum.

Thanks.

 

[hb7779]

"Btw, I am quite amused watching the Indian loon circling around S-2's posts -- like a fly buzzing around a horse's a*s. "

On a Pakistani defence forum? Really? And when a post of mine gathers numerous thank yous from Pakistanis are we to presume the same.

I've got OODLES of thanked posts that we can share together to get a better feel, should you wish. OODLES.

Meanwhile are we to assume all those gratuitous thank yous tossed about by Pakistanis to one another are solely in recognition of the superior intellect behind your collective offerings?

Get real.

Funny how few of you choose to mix it up on a western defense forum.

Thanks.

After reading your posts and living in the States for 25 years I can't offer a better response than this by an earlier poster. "As often happens when you force lazy people to move, they get annoyed. The same is happening here, as evidenced by the racist, bigoted outbursts by some posters against all Muslims." This is the common attitude of most not all Americans when confronted by facts about their media.
As far as "Wolf the idiot" is concern this video says it all.
youtube.com/watch?v=bd2ySV7AfgM
Peace!

 

[53fd]

The way I see it, the US and the West wants Pakistan to be a subservient state, just like Iraq and Afghanistan (their government/leadership Karzai) is. They have that in Zardari, unfortunately they know that he is not the real man in charge and General Kayani is. Hence, their constant dislike for the Pakistan army and intelligence services that are maintaining their national interests, unlike someone like Zardari who would have sold Pakistan's interests to the West if he had the power. Anyone who protects Pakistan's national interests is the enemy. I am not a conspiracy theorist, I have lived most of my life in the West and see things from an impartial view. The fact is that there is a bitter taste in the mouths of the West for their heavy defeats in Afghanistan, and they want to strike back at Pakistan in the media. Which is why a slave like Zardari is praised for his 'efforts on WoT', and General Kayani isn't. Unfortunately, the West is losing their battle in Afghanistan, & has no one to blame but Pakistan. The Western media has no choice but to malign Pakistan, to show it in a bad light, because Pakistan has all the trump cards in Afghanistan, and the West cannot do anything in Pakistan without Pakistan's authority. So what I would say to Pakistanis is, don't get disheartened. This is deliberate propaganda from the Western media because they don't have any authority in Afghanistan. Don't malign the army and the intelligence services, they are doing an admirable job. Blame the government for the internal matters, force them to do their job in terms of development and infrastructure.

 

[BATMAN]

Another interesting analysis (Apologies to foreigners for non-English language)

---------- Post added at 05:38 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:35 PM ----------

This is equally interesting read.

It talks about application of media as war tool.

War, Propaganda and the Media

 

[muse]

Media are big business - in the US and the West generally, they are even bigger business -- and it does not pay, especially in the US to look to closely at the statements offered by the US government with regard to foreign policy - in the US foreign policy is a term rarely used with regard to "friends" of US policy - in other words, the majority of people in the US give their government not just the benefit of doubt, but trust it to "explain" (think "narrative") the world and what that means to the ordinary person.

Therefore media in the US do not have the kinds of "incentives" to examine US foreign policy. And really it's pretty much the same around the world. Consider for instance the US explanation as to why revolution is Syria is good but bad in Bahrain and just plain awful in Arabia - the US explanation, that these are "different"? You will note that US media pretty much refuse to challenge this assertion -- it's super easy to challenge, but does it pay? Do ordinary Americans care? And 5th Fleet uses Bahrain as a base and Arabia feeds US and Western, really global demand for oil -- So aren't these as despotic as Syria? Do these population groups not want "liberty" and "democracy"?? But it does not "pay", after all in whose interest is it to wreck the "good buy, bad guy outlook that informs the ordinary person in the US? Recall, for a while it had become really dangerous, a section of Western media began saying things like "these people (arbis) are just like us, they want liberty, freedom and of course, democracy" ---- now we have more "balanced" approach "friends of the US, like the tyrants of Arabia and Bahrain are good good guys, those who are not friends of US policy are bad guys and protests there are in support of freedom but protests in Arabia and Bahrain are manifestations of public disorder, supported by evil Eye-ran.

And Pakistan? Lets be clear, Pakistan is pretty much lost to the US, the US can throw more money at it and the politicians and bureaucrats will scurry to beg for more, but while Pakistanis "yearn" for those visas to US and especially Canada, their hearts are with China. So perhaps the media in the US are the only tools the US has to reach the people of Pakistan - lets hope they continue to use the media just as they have been doing.

 

[BATMAN]

^^ I know many Pakistanis who left US during the economic boom of Pakistan.
Lot of American Pakistanis migrated back to Pakistan during 2001-2005 and than again back to US from 2006 - 2007.

 

[mr42O]

If you realize and even admit that, then how can you object to the way the Western media report on Pakistan?

for ur kind information Madrasses have been here long before America was found and taken away from Indian whom u murderd in cold blod. When that is said its ur i mean USA policy which turned madrasses to what u are talking about and not all madrasses are like what u say. Madrasses have done very job but have gone wrong path and need to get back on track. Since u dont know needs of madrasses and what good they bring to our scocity. U hear and talk about few ppl who become terrorist by some terrorist group missusing name of Islam ? But u dont know how many students mainly from poor familes who would not else have got any kind of education have ended up one of best students in Pakistan ? and other muslims countries ? No ofcourse u dont know since are not allowed to know that by ur goverment.