West can’t believe nor accept China’s progress

[CIA Mole]

i mean China could just do what whites did

kill everyone and there’s no one left to complain

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

progress everyday ??? Stamping down worker's wage is also a way to "progress" ??

its the sign of collapsing under trade war instead

Shenzhen tamps down wages with eye on China's manufacturing exodus

City plans first rule change in 17 years as companies chase cheaper labor abroad

asia.nikkei.com

Same article says Chinese wages are 3x higher than Vietnam.

 

[nahtanbob]

Communism has only one core, develop the economy, reform the social structure to develop the economy. To insist that a communist country cannot allow private enterprise is just extremism. And this is contrary to the logic of Marxist philosophy.

The world is changing all the time, so mankind must change with it.What makes you think that communism has to stay one way?

Communism is about state ownership of property or having the state be the dominant player in the economy
Can communism evolve ? Yes

Can it allow private enterprise ? Yes

Can private enterprise be the center of the economy ? No.
In China private enterprise is the driving force.

Marx, Engels, Lenin or Trotsky would disagree with China being a communist society. They would be impressed with China's transformation.

I will give the Chinese state credit on social reforms - 1 child policy etc. Those do not deal with communist ideology.

 

[letsrock]

Communism is about state ownership of property or having the state be the dominant player in the economy
Can communism evolve ? Yes

Can it allow private enterprise ? Yes

Can private enterprise be the center of the economy ? No.
In China private enterprise is the driving force.

Marx, Engels, Lenin or Trotsky would disagree with China being a communist society. They would be impressed with China's transformation.

I will give the Chinese state credit on social reforms - 1 child policy etc. Those do not deal with communist ideology.

Every ideology allows flexibility. America provides free schooling - does it mean it is socialist. How do you know private enterprise is driving force in china - what is its share

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Communism is about state ownership of property or having the state be the dominant player in the economy
Can communism evolve ? Yes

Can it allow private enterprise ? Yes

Can private enterprise be the center of the economy ? No.
In China private enterprise is the driving force.

Marx, Engels, Lenin or Trotsky would disagree with China being a communist society. They would be impressed with China's transformation.

I will give the Chinese state credit on social reforms - 1 child policy etc. Those do not deal with communist ideology.

Mar.x was not an ideologist, he was an economist and philosopher. He did not advocate any specific form of governance. In particular, he wrote mostly about the economics of capitalism, especially the seminal series Das Kapital. It is a completely non-political book more like Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations.

Mar.x correctly identified certain root causes of economic instability in market economies - the contradiction between the requirement to maximize profit by minimizing labor costs yet also needing to maximize demand which all ultimately comes from the purchasing power of labor, for instance. There are more causes of economic instability which are addressed in the book.

A Mar.xist economy will attempt to use the regulatory power of the state to moderate economic instability through addressing these root causes. A non-Mar.xist economy will not attempt to do so. There is no minimum public sector ownership requirement, although in China this is a relatively large 30% of GDP.

The end result is: China has addressed many the root causes of economic instability and has achieved sustained growth as predicted in Das Kapital. Many competing economies have refused to do so, have not achieved the same growth, and are in fact facing stagnation and regression.

If China was a capitalist economy as you assert, then it is not possible for China to be growing faster than both the least developed and most developed economies. Claims of "catch up growth" fail to explain how it's growing faster than less developed economies and claims of "infrastructure" fail to explain how it's growing faster than more developed economies which had better infrastructure until recently.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

It is the most brilliant, most industrious, most ambitious, most educated, meritocratic and technocratic, most modern, sophisticated, and civilised, and best-governed by far.

It is the first nonwhite, non-Western country to reach this status since the 1600s.

Hmm..interesting...I can think of a few democratic Asian countries...I guess they somehow don't pass this criteria...so what country was that in the 1600's?

 

[redtom]

Communism is about state ownership of property or having the state be the dominant player in the economy
Can communism evolve ? Yes

Can it allow private enterprise ? Yes

Can private enterprise be the center of the economy ? No.
In China private enterprise is the driving force.

Marx, Engels, Lenin or Trotsky would disagree with China being a communist society. They would be impressed with China's transformation.

I will give the Chinese state credit on social reforms - 1 child policy etc. Those do not deal with communist ideology.

The foundation of China's economy is all state-owned enterprises. The land is not private. The power system is a state-owned enterprise. The road system is a state-owned enterprise. The supervision of the financial system is the government department. The education system is mostly a public system. The medical system is mostly non-private.

China’s economic model is very simple. State-owned enterprises are responsible for infrastructure construction and private enterprises are responsible for making money. The government then collects taxes from private companies to in turn subsidize state-owned companies. The entire economy has benefited from efficient and cheap infrastructure, and the people have also improved their living standards due to infrastructure construction.

 

[rent4country]

How does Chinese fella @beijingwalker behind the firewall find some obscure article written by an Egyptian in a small Malaysian unknown online site? - well if you needed more proof this fella is a CCP paid operative, you have it. I would venture to say the writer is also a ghostwriter paid by the CCP.

 

[nahtanbob]

The foundation of China's economy is all state-owned enterprises. The land is not private. The power system is a state-owned enterprise. The road system is a state-owned enterprise. The supervision of the financial system is the government department. The education system is mostly a public system. The medical system is mostly non-private.

China’s economic model is very simple. State-owned enterprises are responsible for infrastructure construction and private enterprises are responsible for making money. The government then collects taxes from private companies to in turn subsidize state-owned companies. The entire economy has benefited from efficient and cheap infrastructure, and the people have also improved their living standards due to infrastructure construction.

Does it include Apple, Foxconn, Huawei, Haier, Baidu ?

 

[Han Patriot]

Genocide is considered a achievement in China ?

Cough eyerak, cough cough Afghanistan cough cough cough Vietnam...... Cough cough cough Tuskergee massacre...

I don't remember you bashing US, I guess 99% of your time was spent on bashing China.

He basically has the word poodle tattooed to his ***.

 

[OIO]

A very good article, reminds me of Andre Vltchek.

China is the hope for the world to free itself from the enslavement of US imperialism.

 

[mike2000 is back]

When we choose communism, we should be ready to fight against the whole world. All the world's capital groups and the media, journalists, governments, militaries they control will become our enemies. Even our own billionaires, who aspire to be modern aristocrats, new age slave-owners, are our enemies.

We believe in the yearning for freedom and equality, in the will of all suffering people to struggle for change, and in the courage of the poor throughout the world to improve their lives. We believe that human goodness will prevail over human greed.

But we can't rely on them. We cannot expect unarmed civilians to confront a killing machine armed to the teeth. We must rely on ourselves, we must become extremely strong, we must have the courage and will to die with all the evil forces.

The proletariat of the world unites. Long live the people!!View attachment 759401

Is this some sort of new Maoist cultural revolution you are asking for? rich Chinese/billionaires are the new enemy? lol Sounds very similar to Mao's cultural revolution slogans. lol


Luckily for you, i don't think even your leadership will want to go down this path, since almost all of them suffered from Mao's cultural revolution. including Deng Xiaoping(who luckily for China survived it) who was disgraced/purged and sent to re-education camps, same with your current leader Xi jinping and his father who suffered the same fate. They were all labelled capitalists and traitors to the communist cause. lool You should be very careful about such things, since the more you repeat propaganda's the more people will believe in it and accept it as a fact, which can lead to even more radical unforeseen consequences like we saw during the cultural revolutions where vast majority of CCP leadership/officials were purged, paraded and disgraced and some even killed by the red guards believing they were capitalists/traitors to the cause. Funny enough, little did they know that it was just an idea Mao came up with to get rid of his political rivals in the party who dared to have different views contrary to his and who dared criticise his disastrous policy and dire consequences of the great leap forward.

Moreover there is almost nothing Communist about the China of today to be honest. Chinas seized to be communist with Maos death and made a complete U turn by deng. Which was the right thing to do by the way.

 

[fallstuff]

When we choose communism, we should be ready to fight against the whole world.All the world's capital groups and the media, journalists, governments, militaries they control will become our enemies.Even our own billionaires, who aspire to be modern aristocrats, new age slave-owners, are our enemies.

We believe in the yearning for freedom and equality, in the will of all suffering people to struggle for change, and in the courage of the poor throughout the world to improve their lives.We believe that human goodness will prevail over human greed.

But we can't rely on them.We cannot expect unarmed civilians to confront a killing machine armed to the teeth. We must rely on ourselves, we must become extremely strong, we must have the courage and will to die with all the evil forces.

The proletariat of the world unites.Long live the people!!View attachment 759401

What a load of crap !
Straight from the little Red Book !

CCP needs to stay out of people lives.

 

[Menthol]

Communism is about state ownership of property or having the state be the dominant player in the economy
Can communism evolve ? Yes

Can it allow private enterprise ? Yes

Can private enterprise be the center of the economy ? No.
In China private enterprise is the driving force.

Marx, Engels, Lenin or Trotsky would disagree with China being a communist society. They would be impressed with China's transformation.

I will give the Chinese state credit on social reforms - 1 child policy etc. Those do not deal with communist ideology.

Karl Marx, etc were living in their era and what they know is the knowledge from the past history up to their era.

If they saw the modern world, they will change their opinions and theories.

But without them, there's no the world of today.


Ideology should keep evolving, to give room for a better and more efficient idea.

The danger of ideology if it's stagnant, unable to keep up with different era.

Waiting for social unrest and bloody revolution are stupid ideas.

 

[nahtanbob]

Karl Marx, etc were living in their era and what they know is the knowledge from the past history up to their era.

If they saw the modern world, they will change their opinions and theories.

But without them, there's no the world of today.


Ideology should keep evolving, to give room for a better and more efficient idea.

The danger of ideology if it's stagnant, unable to keep up with different era.

Waiting for social unrest and bloody revolution are stupid ideas.

the whole idea is that a bunch of technocrats can engineer society correctly is ludicrous

china has been aping the west to get ahead. at some point you are the leader. there is no one to copy. the fun begins then