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The bitter truth

have you ever noticed why IS getting influence despite the presence of U.S & India in Afghanistan? No ? so let me tell you that both U.S & india now are increasing IS influence by funding them right now against pak in Afghanistan & perhaps after getting success against Pakistan they will use their 3rd party terrorist organizations against Iran (sectarian clash with IS) & china (kashgar due to Muslim population to counter OBOR/CPEC) in future. now what will be their success against Pakistan,Iran,china? simply they want to get rid of Pakistan's 3rd party supporters (Haqqani Network, Afghan Taliban and now one new unknown supporters after releasing the representative of jamat-ul-ahrar). ofcourse Ind-US want to get rid of pak 3rd party supporters in order to get more influence for their 3rd party supporters IS,TTP etc to achieve their targets.

Note: that's why there is no peace in Afghanistan yet even after 16 years.. because no one want to get rid of their funded terrorist organizations. afghan Govt knows all the facts but what can you expect from the U.S settled afghan Govt? afghan Govt keep on blaming on pak about cross border terrorism but always create hurdles to secure Durand line (pak-afg border) which clearly shows who's behind this mess and this means afghan Govt also does not want peace in the region and using afghan soils against Pakistan under US-India Umbrella, and against Iran & china bit by bit. india is just utilizing iran to emphasize on Chabahar port by investing small amount compare to china in Gawadar Port, so after achieving target india will leave iran alone because india will get enough benefits by U.S. right now india is declining her relation with iran in term of oil trade & geopolitics, because now Indian policy makers have decided to go with U.S geopolitics completely. and Arabs are already under U.S influence since many decades.

India and U.S have successfully got the world's attention by their strong diplomacy using strong diplomatic platforms of the world that they are against every terrorist origination but in reality they are not against IS or not against any terrorist organization that can be helpful to achieve their agenda (Just like U.S did during Soviet era to create Al-Qaida & Taliban), IS is killing Taliban leaders, others rebel leaders, supporters not only in pak but also in Afghanistan with the help of CIA & RAW puppets in the region.. and IS is hiding her master(US-India) by labeling it "killing because of denial from caliphate"..

time has gone when india was using RAW agents directly to sabotage pak peace & interest, for example kalbushan who had been deployed in Iran 15 years ago & directly operated the network as RAW agent to sabotage the peace of Karachi and Baluchistan.. now india have had 3rd parties and that third parties (TTP, IS etc whoelse against pak) are being dictated by RAW with guidance of CIA and that's why they are successfully sabotaging Pakistan indirectly by using Out-side/In-Side mercenaries & traitors. infect they are using every possible way to sabotage Pakistan whether it's electronic,print,social media or international platform.

As you know both Quetta and parachinar are situated near afghanistan, Quetta attack has been claimed by both Jamaat-ul-Ahrar (a Tehrik-i-Taliban splinter group), while the militant Islamic State(ISIL) group also claimed responsibility, saying that one of its followers had carried out the Quetta attack. ISIL also released a photograph of the attacker, identified as Abu Usman Khorasani, but There was no claim of responsibility for the Parachinar attack yet. here one thing should be noticed that why both terrorist organization claimed the Quetta attack? and no one claimed Parachinar attack? just remember confessional video of ahsan ul allah ashan he confessed that we try to attack in Pakistan by our own will in order to take handsome amount by India. he said either attack can be done by our own will OR they(RAW) can dictate us and can tell us the plane of an attack to get handsome amount. so looks like Quetta attack had done by ISIL but when JUA claimed Quetta attack then ISIL had to prove the claim of Quetta attack by releasing the photograph of the attacker. otherwise ISIL never claimed the attack & will never claim the attack in future in paksitan because ISIL is being funded by india so no need to claim but when other terrorist origination claimed their job then ISIL have to prove immediately in order to get handsome amount. which means there is big communication gap between ISIL & india which takes many days to reach the message & confirmation. to disclose the ISIL attacks in pakistan is also not favorable for india because there are chances to get to know who's operating,funding ISIL. and one day world will know about it but for now it's not favorable for india.

keep in mind there are two IS. one is ISIL and second is ISIS.. ISIL is being operated by Afghan soils backed by india and some support of U.S.. and ISIS is being operated by Azerbaijan soils backed by Israel-US and some support of india.. and both ISIL & ISIS have same ideology and a nature of mobility.

Now the question is why Pak army & intelligence agency dont want to highlight IS. because Pakistan already suffering from troubles economically, democratically on international platforms due to Pakistan's non empirical foreign policies,(Pakistan is good at home based democracy to fight against opponent parties but really poor in democracy revenge when it comes to world wide democracy), Pak has some critical internal problems too... and now it is really hard for pakistan to support 3rd parties in this current affairs due to lack of funds and china is not providing to Pak any undocumented funds. so now it's not a time to confront with IS for pak.. this task should be done by pak 3rd parties & should not be done by Pak military except backdoor support. if Pakistan state directly go against IS then it will be taken as a confront battle between IS and Pakistan by the world but in reality it's never been a confront between IS & Pakistan it's between Pak-china & US-India. it is suggested to china & pak to counter their opponent diplomatically as US-India are countering Pak-China because "diplomatic revenge is best & acceptable world wide either you spread fictions or truth what is important that world should be realized that you are right", and this is what exactly Ind-US are doing against Pak-China & their fictions are acceptable world wide. intelligence agency of any country only works for her interest and Pakistan intelligence was/is doing the same. (infect in case of OBL) but PAK-CHINA need Iran, Russia intelligence to counter combined opponent. meanwhile also we need our representation with Arab-US too in order to understand Opponent moves regarding the region. if their moves on right track you dont need to do any thing otherwise take your steps & play your cards.

it is very sad that Pakistan is debating on sectarian issues which opponent wanted it from Pak.. and on the other hand, opponents are achieving their targets geopolitically bit by bit because their fictions are acceptable by the world.

What happened between PAK & U.S which caused untrustworthy & misunderstanding

Do you remember that during Musharraf era in 2008 when pak decided to mine and fence the afg-pak border where militants are known to cross the border that time U.S administration of president bush interfered they deliberately pressurized Pakistan to not mine & fence the border and U.S called it an act against humanitarian because of thousands afghan traveler those used to travel on daily bases. U.S offered that U.S will provide border management technology to pak by which pak can easily trace the movement along the border.. i said to myself wtf why cant pak secure the border by herself.. Pakistan patiently waited for that technology which U.S offered verbally through Canada to Pak but that technology was never provided to pak during Musharraf era.. and Pak had to waste time.

most people really concern that why osama bin laden found in pakistan and there were taliban's head but those people should ask first from U.S that why U.S strengthen those butchers, terrorist at first place against Soviet Union? it is really easy to blame a weaker country officially but it's really hard to ask even a single harsh question officially,publicly from super power(U.S), especially if they are master to destabilize your country by spreading false propaganda around the world & by using strong platform of the world.

Taliban, al-quada had been created by U.S against soviet union.. Pakistan had nothing to do with it, pak always helped U.S because pak is a weaker country economically and could'n t face the world ignorance, sanctions so pak decided to go with U.S in order to capture Osama bind laden in afghanistan. that time pakistan had long unsafe, insecure border with Afghanistan which is called Duran line & that time Pakistan never faced any attack from afghan soils therefore pakistan never considered to secure the western border so anyone could easily travel across the border... that is why Taliban succeed to build many hideouts in pakistan without any permission by pak establishment & army.. but now all the hideouts is being eradicated during army operations and fencing also being developed along the Duran line but not whole afg-pak border, Pakistan is just now fencing the border where militant are known to cross the border in phase I.. in phase II Pakistan are planning to secure the complete afg-pak border. but Afghanistan is creating hurdles by calling it as disputed border. although pak-afg border is recognized as international border but still Afghanistan is interfering to not fence it.

Pakistan had very rightful reservation from U.S that Pakistan does not want any anarchy and civil war inside Pakistan that's why we want to secure Duran Line. but U.S never considered Pak rightful reservations which caused misunderstanding (read below to understand).

Yes Pakistan provided shelter to osama bin laden because Pak didn't want any anarchy and civil war inside Pakistan.. Pakistan had reservation that if Pak hand over OBL to US then soon US can withdraw her troops from Afghanistan therefor Pakistan may have to face massive terrorist attacks by talibans (that time pakistan was acting against Taliban therefor we heard the name of TTP which was influenced by Afghan Taliban turned against Pak), so Pakistan decided to not tell U.S about OBL that pak has already captured OBL until pak does not secure the border it will be a secret otherwise the disaster. but U.S & Afghanistan never let pak to secure Durand line even within 7 years (Musharraf 2008 to zardari 2013 then Nawaz 2016)...

Note: in 2016 Pak started to fence the border when Pakistan singed the CPEC deal with China in 2015 after that China supported Pak to secure CPEC and that's why pak start securing afg-pak border despite the unwarranted concerns of Afghanistan in 2016.
Pakistan could secure the border very fast with help of U.S that's why Pakistan decided to secure Duran line in 2008 during Musharraf era but failed because of Super Power (U.S). if once pak achieved the target to secure Durand line Pak was surely gonna hand over OBL to U.S. but U.S killed OBL in 2011 using CIA agents and pak had to suffer over 50 thousands lives and still suffering militarily, economically (as pak predicted the reservation but could not tell to U.S about OBL until Durand line wouldn't be secured). that was the time when misunderstanding took place between U.S & Pak. and India got a chance to whisper Europe & U.S against Pakistan by back door diplomacy and got success to provoke Europe & U.S. india also started using different strong platform of the world against Pakistan. that's why Pakistan Got the label as untrustworthy ally so U.S decided to backstab Pak by letting pak rival enemy Indian agency(RAW) in Afghanistan before withdrawal of U.S troops from Afghanistan in 2014.

summary: U.S created many proxies. pak had to utilize some of proxies too to counter opponent proxy and now india also utilizing some proxies.. looks like it's a game of different proxies.. hello Russia & China what are you waiting for? come on man join this beautiful Game. we can all together get rid of all the proxies if we truly want. but it depends on U.S mostly..

What is the solution Now.

there is no solution except that all stackholders (U.S,China,Pak,Ind,Afg) have to sit on negotiation table to resolve the conflict, misunderstanding, in order to get rid of proxies... you just cant vacate any of stackholder & that's the need of time otherwise world is seeing horrible war within a year or a decade that can cause WW3.

Note: it is my own personal observation having seen the facts that happened/happening on ground from Soviet era to 9/11 to till Now, it has nothing to do with any country or organization but all are facts. let me correct my self if i am wrong. it was my observation you may have your's regarding the topic. you are free to participate in conversation in order to discuss solution of that region in comments. i hope we will have a healthy discussion.
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KABUL: US Senator John McCain visited Kabul on Tuesday and said that Washington was counting on Islamabad’s support to eliminate militancy and in particular the Haqqani network, responsible for numerous attacks on Afghan territory.


The relationship between the US and Pakistan has been strained at times, with some in Washington believing Islamabad has not done enough to bring its influence to bear to persuade the Afghan Taliban to renounce violence.

John McCain-led US team visits South Waziristan, praises Pak Army’s efforts

McCain’s statement came one day after he and a bi-partisan Senate delegation visited Islamabad, where Pakistani officials said he reinforced the country’s essential role in regional stability.

“We made it very clear that we expect they (Pakistan) will cooperate with us, particularly against the Haqqani network and against terrorist organisations,” said McCain, chairman of the US Senate Armed Services Committee, in Kabul.

“If they don’t change their behaviour maybe we should change our behaviour towards Pakistan as a nation,” he insisted.

Pakistan has received billions in US aid since the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001.

The Taliban-affiliated Haqqani network, based in the border areas between the two countries, has long been thought to have ties to Pakistan’s shadowy military establishment.

Led by Sirajuddin Haqqani, who is also the Taliban’s deputy leader, they have carried out numerous operations deep in the heart of Kabul, and have been blamed by Afghanistan for a devastating truck bombing which killed more than 150 people in the capital in May.

The Senate visit to Islamabad and Kabul comes as the US is gearing up to send more troops to Afghanistan to support Afghan forces straining to beat back the resurgent Taliban.

McCain called for more than just troops, however, urging ‘a strategy to win’ the war which has dragged on for nearly 16 years and which even US generals concede is at a ‘stalemate’.

“The strongest nation on earth in this world should be able to win this conflict,” he said, calling for diplomatic efforts alongside a military push.

Pak-US security cooperation key to regional security: COAS

The US currently has 8,400 troops deployed under the NATO banner, and is thought to be mulling sending up to 4,000 more.

Pentagon chief Jim Mattis has stressed his new approach, due to be presented to US President Donald Trump by mid-July, will have a broader “regional” emphasis, with no set timetable.

Trump has remained remarkably taciturn on Afghanistan, but this month gave Mattis authority to set troop numbers at whatever level he saw fit.

Nato, whose Operation Resolute Support numbers some 13,500 including the Americans, also promised last week to increase its presence in Afghanistan.

Recent Taliban gains have shaken confidence in Afghanistan’s future and talk of sending NATO troops in has stoked fears the alliance could get sucked back into an unwinnable war.

But Mattis refused recently to ‘put timelines’ on the conflict.

“The bottom line is that NATO has made a commitment to Afghanistan for freedom from fear and terror… You can’t let this be undone,” he said in Brussels last week.

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Honestly speaking, There is no solution around....
1. US wants to dominate Russia so she will not gonna anywhere from Asia.
2. China wants to dominate their neighbours she will not gonna anywhere from South Asia.
3. Russia wants to be the status of Superpower again she will also not gonna anywhere from Asia.

About India and Pakistan...
Pakistan wants J&K from India but it is impossible. TThe next solution is WAR but Pakistan is not enough powerful to take J&K from India forcefully.

What next?
Easy way try to get from Proxy war against with India. But now it is damaging more to Pakistan due to supporting terrorist always hurts himself more. Pakistan is also to try to establish a pappu govt in Afganistan like 1990 with support Taliban but it is more dangerous for Pakistan.

What next?
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Simple no solution at this time....

I have two solutions but I know this will not accept by India and Pakistan.

1. India and Pakistan should accept LOC as Internation Border.
2. India and Pakistan should leave J & K (including Gilgit Baltistan) and accept as free country.

People can dream and say anything but fact is that now Pakistan will not get Indian Kashmir and India will not get Pakistan Kashmir

Once the issue gets resolved between India and Pakistan then US and other power will not be happy. they want tension should remain withIndia and Pakistan becoz it suits them
 
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After US exit from Afghanistan, Iran and India should station permanent troops to nullify cross border proxies having any sort of influence.
 
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Afghanistan agrees to join Pakistan in anti-terror ops (US to monitor)

KABUL - Afghan President Ashraf Ghani told a visiting US delegation on Tuesday that Afghanistan agreed with a proposal to conduct joint raids with neighbouring Pakistan along the border, monitored by the United States, said a statement issued by the Presidential Palace.


His statement came two weeks after Pakistan proposed joint border operations against illegal movements.

Ghani told the American delegation that Washington’s support is not taken for granted.

According to the official statement, the US delegation informed Afghan leadership about Pakistan’s pledges to cooperate for peace in Afghanistan.

“Afghanistan does not take American support for granted...US and Afghanistan had a relationship based on mutual interest and mutual respect. What was taking place was not a war in Afghanistan, but a war over Afghanistan against transnational terrorist organisations,” the statement quoted Ghani as saying.

“And there were questions now as to whether the Taliban was a criminal organisation with a political front rather than the other way round. Transnational crime and narcotics meant there had to be a regional solution.”

The statement added that the US delegation were in Afghanistan to review progress in the war-torn country.

According to the statement members of the delegation agreed that a regional solution was needed to end the violence in Afghanistan and the region at large. “The senators said the head of Pakistan’s armed forces, General Qamar Javed Bajwa, agreed to joint operations against terrorist groups in the border region. They said the US would provide monitoring and verification of these operations,” the statement said.

After the a string of meetings in Kabul, Senator McCain told reporters that the Unites States needs to have a new strategy to win in Afghanistan but that “the strongest nation on earth should be able to win this conflict.”

“The old effort certainly didn’t work,” McCain said at the press conference. “They (Taliban) are not going to negotiate unless they think they are losing,” he added. “So we need to win and have the advantage on the battlefield and then enter into a serious negotiation to resolve the conflict.”

Senator Lindsey Graham said he would tell President Trump after returning home that 8,600 American troops currently in Afghanistan “will not get the job done” and that more American troops along with more NATO troops should be deployed to “turn stalemate into success.”

According to Washington Post, the senators called for more aggressive American military action in Afghanistan, as well as pressure on neighbouring Pakistan, saying the United States needs “a winning strategy” to end the 16-year war here and prevent the spread of terrorism.

“If we leave radical Islam alone, we will not be safe at home,” Graham said. He said he plans to tell the president that “he needs to pull all our troops out” or add even more than the 3,000 to 4,000 troops that US military officials have asked for.”

But Graham also said that “throwing more bombs” is not enough, and that the Trump administration needs to put more effort into understanding and influencing regional leaders. “Rex Tillerson needs to come here quick,” he said, referring to the secretary of state, who has not yet visited the war-torn and insurgent-plagued region.

McCain said the group has been only partly satisfied with its visit to Pakistan, which included a military tour of North Waziristan. They said they questioned Pakistani army officials about continued alleged support for the militant Haqqani network.

“We told them the Haqqanis have a safe zone there, and that is not acceptable,” McCain said. “They said they had taken some measures, but we made it clear we expect them to help and cooperate against the Haqqani group and others.”

McCain warned Pakistan that Washington was counting on its support to eliminate militancy and in particular the Haqqani network, responsible for numerous attacks on Afghan territory.

“We made it very clear that we expect they (Pakistan) will cooperate with us, particularly against the Haqqani network and against terrorist organisations,” said McCain.

“If they don’t change their behaviour maybe we should change our behaviour towards Pakistan as a nation,” he insisted.

Despite the urgent tone of the senators’ remarks, McCain predicted that the conflict in Afghanistan would continue “on a low-burning simmer for a long time to come.” But he reiterated that only an aggressive US effort to bolster Afghan military actions would force the Taliban to negotiate.

According to New York Times, the senators issued a stark warning to President Trump to fill vacant embassy and State Department positions in order to better address the country’s mounting military and political crises.

The American delegation voiced what has been a concern for months now in the absence of a permanent American ambassador in Kabul. The civilian diplomatic mission here has been led by a chargé d’affaires, Hugo Llorens, who was called in from imminent retirement to help as a stopgap during a time when the Afghan government has faced political storms.

Graham described the lack of diplomatic focus as unnerving and called on the administration to appoint someone “to manage this portfolio” as well as fill many of the vacant positions in the State Department dealing with South and Central Asia.

Senator Sheldon Whitehouse said the military had expressed concern about “the hollowing out of the State Department.”

Afghanistan’s acting minister of defence, Maj Gen Tariq Shah Bahrami, told a news conference on Tuesday that there was fighting in 21 of the country’s 34 provinces, and that government forces were facing “fierce fighting” in seven of those provinces. Heavy fighting continued for a third day on the outskirts of Kunduz, a city the Taliban overran twice in one year. Afghan forces were trying to clear Taliban checkpoints on the highway connecting Kunduz to Kabul.
http://nation.com.pk/national/05-Jul-2017/afghanistan-agrees-to-join-pakistan-in-anti-terror-ops

a rather simplistic but somewhat truthful read. good job OP
Now i have very simple Question from U.S... they want to get rid of Haqqani Network and other terrorist organization i.e afghan taliban.. but what are US Afghan Govt doing against the IS influence in Afghanistan & specially near afg-pak border? because the recent Quetta Attack has been claimed by IS and there is no doubt that parachinar attack also had done by IS.. do you have your opinion regarding the new development ?
in my Opinion we all need Russia, China too in order to monitor U.S
 
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Oh yar very much tension .
I believe in one thing in such situations ; jo hota Allah ki razaa se hota . These bomb blasts in Pakistan were already written in fate of Pakistan . This hard time is already planned.


But we must never forget the law of Allah ; jo dusroe k garha khodtaa wo khud us me ja girta ha . Time will show to India and Allah will take revenge from India .
I know their propaganda is everywhere of Pakistan supporting terrorism it's like ultaa chor kotwaal ko daante . India is an habitual liar , It tortures kashmir Muslims but throw blame on us regarding balochisyan and baltistaan , it disturbs China but throw blame on China to play victim card . It supports terrorism in Pakistan but blames Pakistan for it .
You must realise Indians , they're liars . It's in their nature to lie


One day India will face all the consequences, they may boast of being more powerful and better than Pakistan but they're nothing in front of Allah .
We're patient and time will indeed take our revenge .
 
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Will Mossad/CIA help India tackle ISI?

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Jerusalem: National Security Adviser Ajit Doval shake hands with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at his office in Jerusalem.

A Desk is a dangerous place from which to view the world- John Le Carre

Ajit Doval, India's National Security Adviser (NSA), once a spy himself, is unassuming and bespectacled.

To look at, he is much more John Le Carre's George Smiley than Ian Fleming's James Bond.

Doval, circa 2017, has the implicit confidence of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, shadowing him, for example, on his recent and crucial bilateral visits to the US, Israel, and the broader based G20 Summit.

The NSA is said to be crafting an elaborate jigsaw, an altogether more robust foreign policy for India.

One beyond the confines of the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) juggernaut, but working in close coordination with the MEA nevertheless.

The "Doval Doctrine" is marked by a lack of fear to depart from past precedents. It is driven by security considerations, pragmatism, and bilateralism, rather than ideology, or campism of any kind.

But will it also do something about the parlous state of our intelligence apparatus, beefing it up once more, to counter, amongst others, the formidable Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) of Pakistan?

Our Research & Intelligence Wing (RAW) has been confined, for long years now, to only intelligence gathering with its budgets slashed successive times and little or no capacity to conduct covert operations.

The opportunity has presented itself, particularly now that we have decided to partner with Israel on, as the Prime Minister puts it, an "I to I" basis. And there is the bear-hug that takes in US President Donald Trump's American worldview too. Strongman Vladimir Putin, from the KGB himself, is also very close to India, and not hostile to either of India's improved relationships.

Meanwhile, RAW is today an organisation, much diminished from the days of the last muscular Prime Minister, the Joan of Arc admiring Indira Gandhi who set it up.

This, via the depredations of successive peaceniks in South Block who pulled out quite a few of its good teeth.

This form of questionable dentistry earned Prime Minister Morarji Desai a Nishan-e-Pakistan in 1990, years after his stint as Prime Minister (March 1977-July 1979) when he actually did the dirty.

Or perhaps it was, after all the intervening years, designed to be a tit-for-tat, because of India's posthumous award of its highest honour, the Bharat Ratna, for the Independence era Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan. The tall man from Pakistan's North West Frontier Province (NWFP).

Khan, also known as "The Frontier Gandhi", was a pacifist like Mohandas Karamchand, set, but to no avail, against the Partition.

More sentimental and unilateral gestures, that have always gone badly for India, involving a further diminishment of RAW, earned Pakistani accolades for Prime Minister Inder Kumar Gujral who gifted India the hugely flawed "Gujral Doctrine".

The NDA1 Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee continued to toe Gujral's softer line with his bus diplomacy, and was duly betrayed with the Kargil War.

Meanwhile, since the mid-Eighties, when the ISI was created, tasked into existence by President/Dictator/General Zia Ul Haq, Pakistan has never looked askance at its most successful intelligence agency.

General Zia, who hanged his predecessor Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, and was, much later, blown up in a plane alongside the US Ambassador, launched the infamous policy of "a thousand cuts" towards India.

Zia Ul Haq developed the new policy as a military man, who knew, and internalised, that Pakistan would not, could not, based on the evidence of 1965 and 1971, win in any conventional war with India. Not unless it vastly improved its conventional military strength.

This, however, would take resources Pakistan did not have, despite its considerable support from the US at the time, for its help against the Soviets in Afghanistan.

The need for a low-cost but smouldering revenge was stronger than ever, ever since India helped East Pakistan break away from Pakistan and become Bangladesh in 1971.

Gradually, from 1987 onwards, kindled by the American need for a "School for Jihadists", then dubbed Mujahideen, (Freedom Fighters), one was grown for them, by Pakistan, ironically, in Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan's stamping ground of Peshawar, NWFP.

A formidable ISI organisation grew, drawing on the brightest and most daring from the Pakistan Army, Navy and Air Force. It reported, via a Director-General, to the Chief of Army Staff, and the Prime Minister simultaneously.

It was structured and highly motivated, peopled by personnel with a sense of mission and Islamic purpose, quite along the same lines as the Israeli Mossad, established in 1949, just a year after Israel's independence, the latter by Israel's founder leaders, David Ben Gurion and Isser Harel.

Mossad, or "The Institute" for Special Operations, with its sister organisations, Aman (Military Intelligence), and Shin Bet (Internal Security), was determined from the start to avenge the wrongs done to Zionism and Jews, and not just those from the fledgling State of Israel.

Mossad, famously went after the perpetrators of the Holocaust in the beginning.

And ISI, initially trained by America's Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to help counter the Soviets in Afghanistan, on the side, went after the Hindu nation, as they saw it, despite Indian professions of secularism.

It was, to the Pakistani, a Hindu majoritarian country with no place for Muslims, from which Islamic Pakistan had to be carved out, by its own founding father, Mohammad Ali Jinnah. And Pakistan wanted to sequester Kashmir as the unfinished business of Partition and in revenge for India's role in the creation of Bangladesh.

Both Mossad and the ISI have intelligence collection, covert operations, and counterterrorism in their writ, just as a full-fledged RAW and its allied organisations should.

By 1991, the ISI was ready to strike Kashmir, and the sub-continent in general.

With regard to India, the ISI has been devastatingly effective throughout, with hundreds of successful operations that go on to this day.

Pakistan has successfully deployed, via the ISI, a large number of low-cost operatives and trained terrorists, both directly, and through a number of highly skilled terrorist organisations it has nurtured, such as the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT), the Jamaat-e-Dawa, the Hizbul Mujahideen and so on. These in turn have spread their operations to Afghanistan and the West, sometimes in alliance, lately with the IS and others.

India has refused so far, particularly under Congress and UPA Governments, to develop a direct response to this covert and flexible capability, probably for fear of angering its 170 million Muslim population, in an irrational, but nevertheless true political construct to do with perceived vote-banks.

So it doggedly uses its regular armed forces/paramilitary, at considerably greater expense, and cost in soldierly lives, to counter these irregulars.

Irregulars, drawn from the poorest sections of Pakistani society, illiterate, brainwashed into suicidal missions, but backed always, by the Pakistani Armed Forces and its fire power etc.

Indian attrition involves professional soldiers and innocent civilians, in almost equal measure, because the ISI has brought the battle into almost all parts of India and strikes at will.

Our intelligence failures are legion, both due to inter-agency ponderousness, and sometimes even the good intelligence is not acted upon. However, because of intelligence cooperation between many countries India has befriended afresh, things are certainly getting better on this front.

In blunt retaliation, India engages on its borders, and along the line of control (LoC), with Pakistan, and by counter insurgency operations on its own soil. We are quite good at this, particularly when political interference is kept to a minimum.

But, as yet, we ostensibly do very little to take our striking arm across borders, though Pakistan does accuse RAW of interfering in Balochistan, Karachi, Peshawar, and other parts of Pakistan.

It may be time to change this if true, or sharply ramp it up, even if we are doing something.

Particularly as the various semi-autonomous Islamic Jihad organisations, grown up now, manned and funded from various sources, are now increasingly working on their own terms.

The Jihadists are no longer necessarily aiding the Pakistani purpose of alienating the Kashmir Valley in favour of Pakistan.

They seem more interested in working for an amorphous and moveable "Caliphate" of late. The Indo-Pakistani matrix plays a role still in their identity and violence, but not the only role.

Meanwhile, Pakistan was already working its way to becoming a nuclear power during the Z.A.Bhutto regime, aware that India under Indira Gandhi (1974 Pokhran-1), had already become one, albeit with a very small bomb.

After the Vajpayee Government went in for multiple and large underground tests in May 1998, the world was left in no doubt about India's nuclear weaponisation.

Pakistan had its own covert programme, and followed suit (1998), days later, matching the Indian tests with five of its own. So now there was declared nuclear deterrence capability on both sides, as in China too.

But global terrorism is a thing apart, both as a "tool" of state policy in some quarters, and its own broader objectives.

India has managed to highlight it diplomatically throughout the civilised world, now also affected by its ravages on a regular basis.

The problem is that its financiers now criss-cross allies and enemies alike. So, for a habitual victim of terror like India, we can no longer keep afloat pacifist notions with their roots in Gandhian non-violence.

We have to get ourselves ready to hit deep into the enemy citadels, in a self driven manner, with plausible deniability wherever necessary, because most countries have their own terrorist problems to deal with now.

We can be sure there will be no gratuitous condemnation from other nations, as the September 2016 "Surgical Strikes" into Azad Kashmir have shown.

Mossad and the CIA, now that we are better friends of theirs than Pakistan or China, for the first time, can teach us how, and sell us the latest weapons.

A revamped RAW and its allied structures, freed of political tethers, will not be found wanting.

We draw our elite Black Cat Commandos, trained in anti-insurgency on home turf, from an inter-services pool already.

How much further is it conceptually to develop a covert strike arm that can hit deep into the innards of the enemy?

And then there are foreign operatives to be trained, for being allied to our objectives, but less conspicuous in their own backyards. Balochis, Sindhis, Chinese, Pathans, Arabs, Afghans, all looking towards India for leadership.

If China can harass us by training and arming the Maoists and the North Eastern insurgents, and the international jehadists can try to addle our 170 million Muslims, how long before we develop the capacity to hit back?

The Doval Doctrine is said to see all this in its compass. It is therefore time for India to not just develop its armed forces and paramilitary, on land, sea, and air, but be covert battle ready too.
 
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I am sorry but there are fine examples of "yellow journalism."

Indian activities are suspect (thanks in part to kulbhushan yadav) but to lump US, Israel and India together in propping up ISIS-K in Afghanistan in order to destabilize Pakistan is a whole new level of conspiracy in the making and will mislead (the already misled) public even further about issues it doesn't understands.

Anybody who thinks that US created Al-Qaeda Network and Taliban - should not writing articles in the first place.
 
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Bills suggesting curbs on US assistance to Pakistan okayed
Updated July 15, 2017

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A Joint Session of Congress takes place inside the chamber of the House of Representatives. ─ Reuters/File

WASHINGTON: The US House of Representatives passed on Friday a sweeping $696 billion defence policy bill that would exceed President Donald Trump’s budget request and break through longstanding caps on national defence spending.

The bill adopted decisively by 344 to 81 votes includes provisions for tightening restrictions on US assistance to Pakistan.

Late on Thursday, another congressional panel approved by voice vote the State and Foreign Operations bill that also suggests increased restrictions on US civil and military assistance to Pakistan. The foreign affairs bill now goes to the full House for voting.

Examine: Pakistan’s anxiety

The defence bill authorises $696bn in defence spending for the 2018 fiscal year, including nearly $30bn more for core Pentagon operations than President Donald Trump requested.

All but eight Republicans and 117 Democrats voted for the bill, which surpasses the $549bn cap on defence spending set under the 2011 Budget Control Act by about $72bn.

The other legislation, however, would reduce funding for the State Department and foreign operations by $10bn, down from about $57.4bn in fiscal 2017. Still, the cuts are not as deep as those in the Trump administration’s budget proposal, which included roughly $37bn for the state.

In total, the bill provides $47.4bn in both regular discretionary and Overseas Contingency Operations (OCO) funding. This total is $10bn below the fiscal year 2017 enacted level, when counting additional funds provided in the Security Assistance Appropriations Act of 2017.

Within this amount, OCO funding totals $12bn, which supports operations and assistance in areas of conflict, such as Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

The text of the bill, released earlier this week, includes provisions to make the civil and military aid to Pakistan conditional to Islamabad stopping its alleged support to the Haqqani network and other militant groups in the South Asian regions.

Although the text focuses on the groups that fight US and official Afghan forces in Afghanistan, some groups named in the text also operate in the Indian occupied Kashmir.

In recent days, senior US officials and lawmakers have both sent clear messages to Pakistan, urging it to help the United States and the Afghan government defeat the Taliban militants. They also said that the failure to do so would force the United States to reconsider its relationship with Pakistan.

US officials and lawmakers, however, have left open the option to hold peace talks with the Taliban.

In April, US Secretary of State Rex W. Tillerson told America’s Nato allies in Brussels that an eventual settlement between the Afghan government and the Taliban is the ultimate goal of the Trump administration.

“The ongoing commitment of Nato allies and partners to peace in Afghanistan, including to an eventual settlement between the Afghan government and the Taliban, protects this alliance’s interests, and, when successful, ensures that Afghanistan never again becomes a safe haven for terrorists,” he said.

Although in power since Jan 20, the Trump administration is still finalising a policy for the Pak-Afghan region and recent leaks to the media indicate that while the new strategy would suggest both “qualitative and numerical” increase in US military presence in Afghanistan, it will also continue to seek a negotiated settlement to the Afghan conflict.

At a recent news briefing, State Department Spokesperson Heather Nauert avoided categorising the Taliban as a terrorist outfit.

“Our Afghan policy review is still under way. That has not been announced just yet,” said Ms Nauert when asked if the Trump administration is going to brand the Taliban as terrorists.
 
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KABUL: US Senator John McCain visited Kabul on Tuesday and said that Washington was counting on Islamabad’s support to eliminate militancy and in particular the Haqqani network, responsible for numerous attacks on Afghan territory.


The relationship between the US and Pakistan has been strained at times, with some in Washington believing Islamabad has not done enough to bring its influence to bear to persuade the Afghan Taliban to renounce violence.

John McCain-led US team visits South Waziristan, praises Pak Army’s efforts

McCain’s statement came one day after he and a bi-partisan Senate delegation visited Islamabad, where Pakistani officials said he reinforced the country’s essential role in regional stability.

“We made it very clear that we expect they (Pakistan) will cooperate with us, particularly against the Haqqani network and against terrorist organisations,” said McCain, chairman of the US Senate Armed Services Committee, in Kabul.

“If they don’t change their behaviour maybe we should change our behaviour towards Pakistan as a nation,” he insisted.

Pakistan has received billions in US aid since the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001.

The Taliban-affiliated Haqqani network, based in the border areas between the two countries, has long been thought to have ties to Pakistan’s shadowy military establishment.

Led by Sirajuddin Haqqani, who is also the Taliban’s deputy leader, they have carried out numerous operations deep in the heart of Kabul, and have been blamed by Afghanistan for a devastating truck bombing which killed more than 150 people in the capital in May.

The Senate visit to Islamabad and Kabul comes as the US is gearing up to send more troops to Afghanistan to support Afghan forces straining to beat back the resurgent Taliban.

McCain called for more than just troops, however, urging ‘a strategy to win’ the war which has dragged on for nearly 16 years and which even US generals concede is at a ‘stalemate’.

“The strongest nation on earth in this world should be able to win this conflict,” he said, calling for diplomatic efforts alongside a military push.

Pak-US security cooperation key to regional security: COAS

The US currently has 8,400 troops deployed under the NATO banner, and is thought to be mulling sending up to 4,000 more.

Pentagon chief Jim Mattis has stressed his new approach, due to be presented to US President Donald Trump by mid-July, will have a broader “regional” emphasis, with no set timetable.

Trump has remained remarkably taciturn on Afghanistan, but this month gave Mattis authority to set troop numbers at whatever level he saw fit.

Nato, whose Operation Resolute Support numbers some 13,500 including the Americans, also promised last week to increase its presence in Afghanistan.

Recent Taliban gains have shaken confidence in Afghanistan’s future and talk of sending NATO troops in has stoked fears the alliance could get sucked back into an unwinnable war.

But Mattis refused recently to ‘put timelines’ on the conflict.

“The bottom line is that NATO has made a commitment to Afghanistan for freedom from fear and terror… You can’t let this be undone,” he said in Brussels last week.

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Bro, do you have any idea about McCain?
 
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