Was Khadija really 15 years older than Mohammed?

[Vikki]

This is not a religious discussion..I request moderators to see it as some discussion related to history...The other day I was reading this book on Islamic history called 'No God but God'..there I was reading about how Abu bakr and Umar mistreated Mohammed's daughter Fatima after his death..It was written Abu Bakr didn't give anything to Mohammad's daughter as her inheritance but gave some share of property to his daughter Aisha and mohammad's remaining wives...Fatima gets so angry on Abu bakr that she never talked to him until her death.

I just wanted to check out her age when she died...she was only 28 years old...she was born in 604 AD..Khadija was born in 555 AD..that means she gave birth to Fatima when she was 49 years old...it is nearly impossible to get pregnant at such a late age..even if one gets pregnant at that age,the child doesnt survive more than a few hours..even if it does,the child will generally be mentally handicapped..Something is not adding up.

Besides,it also means Khadija gave Mohammad a child after 8 years of their marriage...Isn't it unbelievable to think Mohammad would not marry again for 8 years when there was every chance of his first wife not giving him a child(Some sources say Mohammad had 6 children though and only fatima survived into adulthood)..1400 years later,even today ,men would marry again if they knew their first wife can't conceive...and here we are talking about a bedouin society where polygamy was a common practice... Something is not adding up...Another proof to say hadeeth are just made up stories?

 

[Hareeb]

Fatima died at 17? Interestingly, she had 4 children. I think, the age mentioned here is wrong. Secondly, it is said(by Sunnis) that Khadija R.A was 40 at her marriage but the book said she was 48.
Well, as the book is written by an American-Iranian scholar, so we can expect a little twist in history to better suit Shia ideology.

 

[Vikki]

Fatima died at 17? Interestingly, she had 4 children. I think, the age mentioned here is wrong. Secondly, it is said(by Sunnis) that Khadija R.A was 40 at her marriage but the book said she was 48.
Well, as the book is written by an American-Iranian scholar, so we can expect a little twist in history to better suit Shia ideology.

She was married at 40 but gave birth to fatima at 48..You can look up wiki or any other source..Fatima was 16 or 17

She was married at 40 but gave birth to fatima at 48..You can look up wiki or any other source..Fatima was 16 or 17

Born 615AD and died 632 AD after a few months of Mohammad's death

 

[Hareeb]

She was married at 40 but gave birth to fatima at 48..You can look up wiki or any other source..Fatima was 16 or 17


Born 615AD and died 632 AD after a few months of Mohammad's death

So what you meant to say is she was a mother of 4 children before being an adult which is logically wrong.

 

[Clutch]

So what you meant to say is she was a mother of 4 children before being an adult which is logically wrong.

In jewsh, Christian, Muslim traditions older wives (even in their sixties) had babies. Its true with the Islamic judeo christian theology.

 

[Samlee]

This is not a religious discussion..I request moderators to see it as some discussion related to history...The other day I was reading this book on Islamic history called 'No God but God'..there I was reading about how Abu bakr and Umar mistreated Mohammed's daughter Fatima after his death..It was written Abu Bakr didn't give anything to Mohammad's daughter as her inheritance but gave some share of property to his daughter Aisha and mohammad's remaining wives...Fatima gets so angry on Abu bakr that she never talked to him until her death.

I just wanted to check out her age when she died...to my surprise she was only 17 years old...she was born in 615AD..Khadija was born in 567 AD..that means she gave birth to Fatima when she was 48 years old...it is nearly impossible to get pregnant at such a late age..even if
one conceives,it is highly unlikely the baby survives past few hours..
Besides,it also means Khadija gave Mohammad a child after 8 years of their marriage...Isn't it unbelievable to think Mohammad would not marry again for 8 years when there was every chance of his first wife not giving him a child..1400 years later,even today ,men would marry again if they knew their first wife can't conceive...and here we are talking about a bedouin society where polygamy was a common practice... Something is not adding up...Another proof to say hadeeth are just made up stories?

It Is Pretty Obvious Whatever Book You Had Read Was Written By A Rafizi Ghali Shia

 

[Vikki]

She was married at 40 but gave birth to fatima at 48..You can look up wiki or any other source..Fatima was 16 or 17


Born 615AD and died 632 AD after a few months of Mohammad's death

Sorry,she was 28..I checked again.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

If you want proper history with references, you are reading the wrong book.

Reza Aslan is an Agnostic, he both rejects the reality of Prophet Muhammad saws as a real person, and claims Islamic history is a collection of various other stories.

He gives no proof for his opinions except other Western Non-Muslim Orientalists like himself.

If you are serious about learning the Seerah, check out ‘Muhammad’ by Martin Lings and ‘Sealed Nectar’ by Mubarakpuri.

These are both concise, short books with ample references.

Fatima died at 17? Interestingly, she had 4 children. I think, the age mentioned here is wrong. Secondly, it is said(by Sunnis) that Khadija R.A was 40 at her marriage but the book said she was 48.
Well, as the book is written by an American-Iranian scholar, so we can expect a little twist in history to better suit Shia ideology.

He’s not Shia.

 

[doorstar]

Reza Aslan is an Agnostic

he was born into a Shia family. He converted to Christianity at the age of 15, and converted back to Islam before attending Harvard. In a 2013 interview with WNYC host Brian Lehrer, Aslan said: "I'm definitely a Muslim and Sufism is the tradition within Islam that I most closely adhere to." He also proclaims himself a "genuinely committed disciple of Jesus of Nazareth." In a 2013 article in The Washington Post, Aslan states: "It's not that I think Islam is right and Christianity is wrong. It's that all religions are nothing more than a language made up of symbols and metaphors to help an individual explain faith."

there are more 100 weblinks that can be used to prove that he is NOT an agnostic but a Mexican jumping bean that hops back and forth from Shiaism to Christianity to Shiaism to Sufism to Christianity. He is whatever he thinks his audience wants to hear at any given time.

This is not a religious discussion..I request moderators to see it as some discussion related to history...The other day I was reading this book on Islamic history called 'No God but God'..there I was reading about how Abu bakr and Umar mistreated Mohammed's daughter Fatima after his death..It was written Abu Bakr didn't give anything to Mohammad's daughter as her inheritance but gave some share of property to his daughter Aisha and mohammad's remaining wives...Fatima gets so angry on Abu bakr that she never talked to him until her death.

I just wanted to check out her age when she died...she was only 28 years old...she was born in 604 AD..Khadija was born in 555 AD..that means she gave birth to Fatima when she was 49 years old...it is nearly impossible to get pregnant at such a late age..even if one gets pregnant at that age,the child doesnt survive more than a few hours..even if it does,the child will generally be mentally handicapped..Something is not adding up.

Besides,it also means Khadija gave Mohammad a child after 8 years of their marriage...Isn't it unbelievable to think Mohammad would not marry again for 8 years when there was every chance of his first wife not giving him a child(Some sources say Mohammad had 6 children though and only fatima survived into adulthood)..1400 years later,even today ,men would marry again if they knew their first wife can't conceive...and here we are talking about a bedouin society where polygamy was a common practice... Something is not adding up...Another proof to say hadeeth are just made up stories?

How do you get an exemption to post these here threads on religious topics? would love to know the secret mantra!

He’s not Shia.

he is a Sufi Shia evangelical Christian depending on who he is speaking to

He is Irani version of Pakisan's the ex-diplomat haqani in America

 

[BATMAN]

How do you get an exemption to post these here threads on religious topics? would love to know the secret mantra!

As long you disrespect Islamic beliefs of Arabic world, and carry forward agenda of Qum. It's all legal and good to go here.
Basically (FALSE) history posted in OP is being drilled into Pakistan mind set from 90's.
RAW use various mediums to achieve their ultimate goal, which is to build an Arab hating but hypocrite Pakistan, because we always have to go back to Arabia for jobs and charity, but our hearts are filled with Arab animosity.

Reza Aslan is an Agnostic

All so called agnostics are surprisingly spew poison against Arabs, spread lies, and carry forward more extreme version of falsification than Shias of Pakistan.

Sorry,she was 28..I checked again.

How old was radha, when she started sleeping with monkeys?

 

[Vikki]

If you want proper history with references, you are reading the wrong book.

Reza Aslan is an Agnostic, he both rejects the reality of Prophet Muhammad saws as a real person, and claims Islamic history is a collection of various other stories.

He gives no proof for his opinions except other Western Non-Muslim Orientalists like himself.

If you are serious about learning the Seerah, check out ‘Muhammad’ by Martin Lings and ‘Sealed Nectar’ by Mubarakpuri.

These are both concise, short books with ample references.



He’s not Shia.

I would rather read history from an agnostic than a religious person ...I don't want history told by people who believe in fairy tales...anyway we are distracting...let's stick to the topic...It's surprising the point I raised(Khadijas age when she gave birth to Fatima) was not noticed by anyone till today....I just wanted your inputs on this matter...rather,you people are making it into a religious discussion by bringing the authors religion and sect..As I said earlier,this point(Khadija's age) is something I raised...not the author...I just wanted a discussion in historical context.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

he is a Sufi Shia evangelical Christian depending on who he is speaking to

He is agnostic. He claimed that he followed Islam only because he had dug the deepest well in it. Other ways are equally valid. He was not sure if God exists or not, but liked the culture and history of religion which he called mythology.

I have read this book. He is not a Muslim in any sense of the word. He doesn’t believe Prophet Muhammad saws existed.

 

[Vikki]

How old was radha, when she started sleeping with monkeys?

Brother,You have misunderstood me judging by your reply..I don't know why you are furious...secondly,you can abuse hindu gods as much as you want for all I care...For me,all religious stories are nothing more than fairy tales...I am a rationalist.

He is agnostic. He claimed that he followed Islam only because he had dug the deepest well in it. Other ways are equally valid. He was not sure if God exists or not, but liked the culture and history of religion which he called mythology.

I have read this book. He is not a Muslim in any sense of the word. He doesn’t believe Prophet Muhammad saws existed.

You didn't read the book..He believed Mohammad existed..No one can deny his love or respect for Mohammad after reading it..He believes Mohammad was blessed by a divine force(God) to bring about reforms in his barbaric society...This is one of the few books which was written without any inclination to any religion..very objective...anyway please stick to the topic.

 

[BATMAN]

Brother,You have misunderstood me judging by your reply..I don't know why you are furious...secondly,you can abuse hindu gods as much as you want for all I care...For me,all religious stories are nothing more than fairy tales...I am a rationalist.

Ram was a faggot too, he was into big monkeys but he enjoyed most the seven dicks of rawan the great.


Would you like to rationalize on homosexuality of ram? I'm very interested.

 

[Dubious]

'No God but God'

THIS is not a book on Islamic history...the author is neither a historian nor one with ANY degree in Islamic history/ Islamic studies...The closest he comes is degrees in theology and fiction writing! So, wonder what made you think what he wrote was more historical than fiction?

Aslan holds a B.A. in religious studies from Santa Clara University, a Master of Theological Studies (MTS) from Harvard Divinity School, a Master of Fine Arts (M.F.A.) in fiction writing from the University of Iowa's Writers' Workshop, and a PhD in sociology from the University of California, Santa Barbara. His 2009 dissertation, titled "Global Jihadism as a Transnational Social Movement: A Theoretical Framework", discussed contemporary Muslim political activism.


Do some research before posting BS threads! If you are incapable of research dont even bother opening a thread under some pretense of "gaining knowledge"

@Vikki The question actually arises, what stops you from reading books by real historians? Or those who study their whole life about and write biographies of Prophet Muhammad SAW...His is the most written biography as well as the most detailed! So if you were even a little bit serious we would notice!

Kindly stop trolling! THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!