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Was Jinnah secular? – The Express Tribune

On the night of March 7, 2011, Justice (retd) Javid Iqbal was interviewed on a TV channel on the nature of the Pakistani state. He held that Pakistan, as envisaged by Jinnah, was to be a secular state. This is the package he has always accepted as the ‘modern Islamic state’ imagined by his father, Allama Iqbal, too.

Javid Iqbal was clear that what Pakistan is now was not what Jinnah had thought of. The word ‘secular’ put off the TV host who insisted that ‘secular’ was the opposite of ‘Islamic’. He even once erroneously equated ‘secular’ with ‘communist’, not knowing that an atheist state cannot be secular. Javid Iqbal said hard Islam was not the project of Jinnah: The Islam of hudood and blasphemy laws was imposed by General Zia.

He even named Dualibi as the Arab scholar who was sent to Pakistan by Saudi Arabia to impose the laws that Pakistan was averse to enforcing. The fact is that the 1980 Zakat & Ushr Ordinance, imposed by General Zia on Sunnis and Shias, was framed by Dualibi in Arabic. Javid Iqbal clearly said that moderate and liberal elements were silent because they feared harm at the hands of extremist forces. He equally despaired of politicians.

He said that only the ibadat (prayer rituals) were unchangeable in Islam; muamilat (affairs) had to change in tune with the times. One reason Islamisation did not improve the Pakistani character was the state’s retrogression towards laws that were no longer compatible with modern times. He referred to an effort made by late MNA MP Bhandara who, as a minority representative, wanted the August 11, 1947 speech of Jinnah incorporated into the Constitution.

The August 11 speech is clearly a secular manifesto issuing out of the mouth of the Father of the Nation. The secularists lean on it; the others think Jinnah still meant a state based on Sharia. One historian even went as far as to say that Jinnah had become ‘infirm of mind’ when he spoke on August 11.

Saleena Karim in her book Secular Jinnah & Pakistan: What the Nation doesn’t Know (Paramount 2010) has probably tackled the case most thoroughly in defence of those who reject the secular label. She has dug up an interview that Jinnah gave to a Reuters’ journalist on May 21, 1947, which was used by chief justice Muhammad Munir in his book From Jinnah to Zia (1979) to infer that Jinnah had wanted a secular state.

She has dug up what Jinnah had really said: ‘But the Government of Pakistan can only be a popular representative and democratic form of government. Its parliament, and cabinet responsible to the parliament, will both be finally responsible to the electorate and the people in general without any distinction of caste, creed or sect, which will be the final deciding factor with regard to the policy and programme of the government that may be adopted from time to time’ (p.31).

She writes: “Instead of calling the proposed Pakistan a ‘modem democratic state’”, Jinnah says only that it will have a “democratic form” of government. He was actually averse to imitating “modern” (read: contemporary) democracy as a political system, considering it a failure’. She thinks it contains a presumed reference to a non-secular state. One could also conclude from this that people may democratically decide to have a non-secular Islamic state with a Sharia.

It is up to the reader to decide whether the argument for a non-secular state is convincing or not, on the basis of what Jinnah is supposed to have said.
 
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This Saleena Karim came to the forefront of this hotly debated discussion with a citing a non-source for a quote by Justice Munir.

Now she has a dedicated website and an entire PR campaign to push forward her idea that Jinnah wanted an Islamic state.

Well who ever did all this thought that they could get away with organizing such a costly launch for a book by a new author and make it seem like Ms Karim is working alone.

But the fact of the matter is that some right wing elements, albeit the intelligent ones have done this to counter the Secular Jinnah argument.

And what better way then to have a campaign called 'Secular Jinnah' which is meant to make the argument against it.
 
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Another thing to note is that Iqbal's son Javed argued in favor of the Hudood Ordinances during the 80's at the international arena.

Today he himself has confirmed that it was Dualibi, an Arabic scholar, who was sent by the Saudis, our Muslim brothers, to develop all these laws.

It was part of the deal whereby the Arabs would support us against the Soviets and we implement the laws that they wanted us to implement.
 
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Jinnah, because of his stature, is most prone to manipulation. Too bad he is no more to defend his stand.

Now the question is... how many more such twisted inferences till Pakistan is 'fixed' beyond recognition, all along "Jinnah's lines"?
 
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Jinnah, because of his stature, is most prone to manipulation. Too bad he is no more to defend his stand.

Now the question is... how many more such twisted inferences till Pakistan is 'fixed' beyond recognition, all along "Jinnah's lines"?

Like I said, when Javed Iqbal himself, a man who supported the Hudood Ordinances and was a part of the far right movement is admitting to Jinnah wanting a secular nation indicates that all the damage done to Pakistan is finally waking some people.

It remains to be seen what effect it has on the nation but at least admitting to the facts might to us some good.
 
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Like I said, when Javed Iqbal himself, a man who supported the Hudood Ordinances and was a part of the far right movement is admitting to Jinnah wanting a secular nation indicates that all the damage done to Pakistan is finally waking some people.

It remains to be seen what effect it has on the nation but at least admitting to the facts might to us some good.

I think you meant "do us some good", and you are very right. The first step toward solving a problem is recognition of the problem. Such recognition is a very positive sign in the way that it shows the intellectuals and upper-middle educated class is no more as fearful of the extremists as it is often blamed for.

To me, this is what it looks like: The youth of Pakistan is the emotional kind, and is looking to find a leader in any form. In the absence of pro-Pakistan secular ones, they start falling in the hands of the extremist hardliners, who call themselves idealists. It is about time the educated class comes out in the open to take a stand and sway the youth away from the extremists. Just that much and we will see all the extremism and extremists disappearing from the Pakistani society.
 
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Like I said, when Javed Iqbal himself, a man who supported the Hudood Ordinances and was a part of the far right movement is admitting to Jinnah wanting a secular nation indicates that all the damage done to Pakistan is finally waking some people.

What has led Javed Iqbal come out claiming that Jinnah was secular? Is he accepting the fact that the very Hudood Ordinance he supported during 70s was wrong?
 
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The question whether Jinnah was secular or not is perhaps meaningless for people outside Pakistan and non Pakistanis in Pakistan. These people should just take Pakistan as a given and plan their endeavours. Simple as that.
As for Pakistanis, I have a question. If tomorrow it was proved that Jinnah wanted an Islamic state and that he gave a pretence of secularism to make the idea more palatable for the British and west, will you give up your fight for a secular country? If it is proved that Jinnah wanted shariat in Pakistan, are you fine with the idea? I advice my fellows here to think beyond sticking your destiny on some single person's perceived beliefs or proven ideas and strive for what you think is better for your country. That would be a first step in solving your identity crisis.
 
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What characteristics would you consider for awarding secular title?

For one, the constitution should have no reference to any particular religion or if it has a reference to one religion in a chapter, article or section, it should have reference to all religions of the land in that article.
 
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IMO, Jinnah is being given way too much importance. You guys should think what will be good for you now instead of trying to establish what Jinnah would have thought 60 years back. I for one am not in support of unnecessary hero worship.
 
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