Was F6 a twin engine jet?

[GriffinsRule]

Im not comparing the planes at all - its the role for ground support, both PA and US-Army have different needs also. PAF has not integrated AGM-65 into Mirage even and will not spare Mirage often for PA support. As for capacity of rounds weaponry, sensors, protection - optimizations and upgrades would have occurred if interest was there.

They cant integrate American weapons to those platforms, esp anything more complicated than an IR missile.
In terms of capacity, the Mirage does carry a large amount of bombs (and as a recent picture showed, CBUs) which would definitely be in support of ground troops.
I think the A-5 was a buy (in limited numbers) because of its cheap price, similarity to F-6 (we could overhaul them at Kamra), and to make up numbers as we were retiring B-57s and F-86s (in large numbers) and needed aircraft easily available to us. I think in the 80s, had we chosen A-7s instead of A-5s, that would have been interesting.

 

[Syed_Adeel]

as i know it was the only twin engine jet fighter in PAF.
f6(Chinese copy of Mig 19) and A5(Heavily modified f6) were both twin engines.

But now PAF is relying on single engine doctrine because of maintenance and cost easiness.
with f35 as single engine 5th gen. there are high chances that PAF may go for a single engine 5th gen fighter as well.

 

[Sine Nomine]

I could be wrong but i think A-5 would have made for PAF close to what A-10 is for USAF - minus the gattling cannon.

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They can be given to PAA for CAS during war but problem is they have fuel guzzling turbo jet engines.
Weapon load isn't issue even 6 laser guided 100kg munitions would make a lot of difference.

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

 

[khail007]

Interesting facts
Sometimes I feel how ignorant I am.

May be more maneuverable but overall this jet was worst.The poor ejection seats killed many PAF pilots.And I can confirm what I am saying because my father served as a air traffic controller in PAF.
Eject,Eject,Eject but the ejection seat was jammed on the other side and the mother Earth was approaching fast. What a horrible moment.
But the cannon was 30 mm most powerful and accurate at best.

And this beautiful painting was made none other than Gp Capt retired hussaini .His house is few streets away from my house.

Sir G, if I am not wrong, F-6 joined the PAF in 1966. It was my childhood, I still remember the day the shiny skinned jets without any markings on them like made of steel were landing at Peshawar and lined-up on the runway.
At that time, even Chinese don't mastered this jet and not fully aware of its aerodynamics. One could say the operating manual of that aircraft was written with the blood of our hero pilots, sons of the soil who laid their lives keeping the aircraft airborne. Those engineers/technicians also worked hard who modified these jets to be more safe, flyable and lethal.
In the beginning after installation of MB seats, the issue of ejection still haunts due to mix of MB and Chinese seats in a squadron. Later upon conducting study and feedback from pilots, aircrafts also segregated squadron to squadron based on the type of ejection seats. It resulted in different and applicable pre-ejection checks of specific seats to be memorise/mastered by pilots related to their assigned squadron equipped aircrafts. This standardized procedure increased safety record/successful ejections many folds.

 

[Signalian]

They cant integrate American weapons to those platforms, esp anything more complicated than an IR missile.
In terms of capacity, the Mirage does carry a large amount of bombs (and as a recent picture showed, CBUs) which would definitely be in support of ground troops.
I think the A-5 was a buy (in limited numbers) because of its cheap price, similarity to F-6 (we could overhaul them at Kamra), and to make up numbers as we were retiring B-57s and F-86s (in large numbers) and needed aircraft easily available to us. I think in the 80s, had we chosen A-7s instead of A-5s, that would have been interesting.

The short range issue was solved in A-5C/III version and had 8 hard points. The A-5B/ A-5 II version had a western capable weapon delivery suite. The A-5C which PAF took delivery had western functionality weapons delivery as well as MB ejection seats and instrumentation which facilitated western weaponry. The A-5D had laser range finding, targeting pod as well as improved instrumentation options, FLIR systems, new HUD and could drop laser guided weapons. This is why i brought up AGM-65 since it has EO guidance. If fuel guzzling was such a problem then PAF would have never acquired the F-6 also and on top of that A-5C as another fuel guzzler for ground strike.

PAF considered Mirage-V way above than A-5 for strike roles and kept Mirages for specialized roles. Supporting PA for ground strikes came as second priority and 'was well suited for A-5

 

[SecularNationalist]

Sir G, if I am not wrong, F-6 joined the PAF in 1966. It was my childhood, I still remember the day the shiny skinned jets without any markings on them like made of steel were landing at Peshawar and lined-up on the runway.
At that time, even Chinese don't mastered this jet and not fully aware of its aerodynamics. One could say the operating manual of that aircraft was written with the blood of our hero pilots, sons of the soil who laid their lives keeping the aircraft airborne. Those engineers/technicians also worked hard who modified these jets to be more safe, flyable and lethal.
In the beginning after installation of MB seats, the issue of ejection still haunts due to mix of MB and Chinese seats in a squadron. Later upon conducting study and feedback from pilots, aircrafts also segregated squadron to squadron based on the type of ejection seats. It resulted in different and applicable pre-ejection checks of specific seats to be memorise/mastered by pilots related to their assigned squadron equipped aircrafts. This standardized procedure increased safety record/successful ejections many folds.

It's a well known fact F6 was a pilot killer mainly due to its ejection seats.But here we have some people who deny this and I am not sure what's their experience or source of info to backup their claims. @Jammer

 

[Adam_Khan]

It's a well known fact F6 was a pilot killer mainly due to its ejection seats.But here we have some people who deny this and I am not sure what's their experience or source of info to backup their claims. @Jammer

Not due to ejection seats but more due to it's controllability issues especially at low speeds,many a pilots died because of delaying their ejection.

 

[denel]

Not due to ejection seats but more due to it's controllability issues especially at low speeds,many a pilots died because of delaying their ejection.

Did the F-6s not take down any of the soviet planes during the 80s?

 

[WarKa DaNG]

Heard it was some sort of disposible fighter

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

Pakistan air force in past has also used Nanqang Q5 / A5 twin engined jet aircraft

 

[ziaulislam]

Im not comparing the planes at all - its the role for ground support, both PA and US-Army have different needs also. PAF has not integrated AGM-65 into Mirage even and will not spare Mirage often for PA support. As for capacity of rounds weaponry, sensors, protection - optimizations and upgrades would have occurred if interest was there.

mirages are for CS now..
the air defence role/multirole has been taken over by 112 thunders that are inservice/about to be put in

i doubt the mirages will be able to face any indian fighter in air to air role

 

[Jammer]

It's a well known fact F6 was a pilot killer mainly due to its ejection seats.But here we have some people who deny this and I am not sure what's their experience or source of info to backup their claims. @Jammer

My experience and source of info should not be difficult to guess lets just say I have had direct experience, how about that . Here's an article from Air Commodore Qadeer Ahmad Hashmi Saab to corroborate some of the safety claims I made on the aircraft (second para). O by the way Hashmi Saab also has "direct experience" . Yes, and as @Adam_Khan is suggesting, undoubtedly an unforgiving aircraft but once you figured her out not a killer.
http://www.defencejournal.com/2002/may/salute.htm

 

[Raider 21]

My experience and source info should not be difficult to guess lets just say I have had direct experience, how about that . Here's an article from Air Commodore Qadeer Ahmad Hashmi Saab to corroborate some of the safety claims I made on the aircraft (second para). O by the way Hashmi Saab also has "direct experience" . Yes and as @Adam_Khan is suggesting, undoubtedly an unforgiving aircraft but once you figured her out not a killer.
http://www.defencejournal.com/2002/may/salute.htm

Excellent article. And there is a lot more interesting info on other content.

http://www.defencejournal.com/aug98/contentsaug98.htm

 

[Wow]

I know this has been posted once before but one of our F6 scored a kill against a mig 21