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Bill Longley

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LOST IDENTITY: WAR OF DECEPTIONS

I understand that politics is a tricky game. Man who is selfish in nature resorts to some low level tactics when it comes to secure his interests. There is an old story about a lamb that was drinking from the stream. When a tiger came for the drink. The tiger was hungry and the lamb presented a good dinner. Tiger started the conversation by accusing the lamb that he abused him last year. Lamb with respect replied “Sir I was born 6 months ago and you are confusing me with some one else”. The tiger hearing this reply jumped on the lamb and said “so what it might be your mother or father who abused me” and killed the poor lamb.

Bush’s “War on Terror” or Obama’s “Over Sea contingency operations” are being conducted on the same principal of the above narrated story. This war is not what it seems .this is war of DECEPTIONS
War is extension of Policy, Clausewitz observes. Every war has a Political goal behind it. The goals, of this WOT or OSO as defined by US administration is containing and destroying terrorists and their sanctuaries. But is it really what US is doing or the real objectives of this war are different.

The War on Terror with new name OCO is a multiplayer chess game. Each player has different objectives. The main Actors including US, NATO, Saudi Arabia, India, Russia, Iran and Pakistan. All are covertly fighting cold war against each other while claiming to be allies in this war.

This game is very complicated but interesting. Any informed observer can see that this game is not game against terror but infect creating new terrorist at one side and on other bifurcating them into good and bad terrorists for own selfish strategic Interests.

The OCO can only be understood by understanding the strategic Interests of the players involved. US want central Asian Reserves and eye on Iran, Check on China and Russia. Pipelinetan. Big money and global control of energy resources for which it is ready to sacrifice any thing even its loyal ally Pakistan.

It is widely believed in Pakistani intellectuals that Indian and friendly agencies are involve in terrorism in Balochistan and FATA with consent of Americans. USE of NATO and Indian weapons by TTP militants is seen as big evidence of this belief...

India, another player wants Link to Central Asia; Break up of Pakistan or at least make it a weak state because Pakistan, is its main rivel in South Asia, one who never bowed in front of Indian hegemony, is seen as a constant threat by Indian strategic thinkers. Any body can see that more then half of Indian forces are deployed against Pakistan. India also wants control on Islamists which it believes can play havoc in support of discriminated Muslims of India, if left unchecked. India is also suspicious of Pak china alliance and wants to check mate any move before it happens in geo strategic arena.

Saudi Arab is also an important actor , it wants Sunni Salfi /Wahabi Islam to establish strong base in Central Asia on one hand and on other it wants to encourage all Salfi Takfiries to Afghanistan and Central Asia so that kingdom remains safe from jihadi revolution against monarchy.



China and Russia on other hand think NATO and US as out siders encroaching in their exclusive area of Influence hence want NATO and US out. They find Taliban as good tool to force US and NATO out. China and Russian on one hand wants US out of region but on other are afraid that their help to Taliban may cause radicalization of their own minorities if the Taliban get Success. So they are providing calculated help to Taliban fighters fighting in Afghanistan.

Iran is another important player. It also wants US and its allies out. It never had good relations with Taliban but at present it has become option less. With growing threats from US and Israel over its nuclear weapons and its encirclement by US from North(Azerbaijan), South (strait of Hurmaz), North East(Afghanistan) and West(Iraq) it has established links to Taliban and some reports suggest is also helping them by indirect means. Iranian strategic thinkers think that they can use Taliban in case US or Israel become aggressive or attacks Iran.

Afghanistan on whose territory the great game is played is a country without direction. It’s puppet in hands of US, NATO and India. The president and leaders of Afghanistan do not enjoy popularity amongst Afghans and are nothing if NATO and US leaves Afghanistan today. At present war lords and drug lords are controlling the territory and are allies of US and NATO and creating situation ripe for Taliban to exploit.

Taliban movement is fastly changing into Pashtun national struggle, Pashtuns who celebrated on the fall of Taliban regime are joining hands with them due to conduct of Northern alliance dominated government and Collateral damage caused by Allied forces.

Taliban in Afghanistan and in Pakistan are two different groups. Although both call Mullah Omer as their Amir or leader. But both have different strategic aims for example, Taliban in Afghanistan are fighting against Occupation forces and want to bring change only in Afghanistan. Where as Tehrik e Taliban Pakistan is supporting Afghan Taliban and also fighting State forces of Pakistan and wants to export their influence in side and out side of Pakistan. Mullah Omar has many times ordered Tehrik e Taliban not to attack Pakistan and to concentrate in Afghanistan. TTP leadership has always disobeyed Mullah Omer because unlike Afghans they are under influence of Takfiri ideology and evidence suggest foreign intelligence agencies are using them for destabilization of Pakistan


Pakistan the most important player is it self engulfed in different problems, resulting from War in Afghanistan and has its own strategic compulsions.



· Pakistan is home of about 28 million Pashtuns. Pashtuns are second largest ethnic group after Punjabis in Pakistan. Pakistan cannot afford to displease Pashtuns.

· Secondly Northern Alliance dominated Afghan government is ally of Pakistan’s Arch rival India. Pakistan has uncovered hard evidence of Indian involvement in Balochistan and FATA. According to reports India Plans to increase its forces to 110000 men in Afghanistan by December 2009(Express news). Which is seen as envelopment of Pakistan by its Arch enemy India with the help of Northern Alliance dominated, non Pashtun afghan Government.

· US is in picture of all the things originating from Afghanistan and is giving consent to all covert operations against Pakistan. Upon Pakistan’s protest and evidence recently US told India to close its consulate in Jalalabad which was being used as launching against Pakistan. Buts its only one case , Indian consulates ells where are still un checked by Americans

· US is giving India and Afghanistan free hand because it thinks Pakistan can be a hurdle in its ultimate designs for Pipelinetan.


THE GAME OF DECEPTION

Although Pakistan is ally of US and NATO but this alliance has cost more then what Pakistan has gained. Pakistan which has lost more then two thousand soldiers and Paramilitary officials is being treated as an out cast by its allies. And is victim of black propaganda by them.

It is accused by its allies that Pakistan is doing not much against terrorists when it is fighting same terrorists equipped, trained and used by them. The American and Indian weapons recovered by army during operations raises serious questions which needs answers. Taliban in Afghanistan use Russian or Chinese weapons and weapons taken away from US and NATO solders. US claims that Afghan National army is involve in selling US made weapons. If US and NATO officials are telling truth then its failure of US and NATO. The gods of power are proving too impotent on the ground and their weapons are used against their ally by courtesy of their other allies in ANA and ANP.

Pakistan is an ally but surprisingly while devising AFPAK terminology Pakistan was not consulted by any one which tell the level of understanding between two countries... and *** if Pakistan has no stakes in on going war.

We are not comfortable with AfPak terminology and we have expressed our reservations on this. We were not consulted on this particular terminology and when we came to know about that we did express our reservations.

In the name of Targeting Terrorist US has conducted dozens of Drone attacks in Pakistan stretching from South Waziristan to Bajor agency and to FR Bannu region and Aurak zai agency. The result of these attacks is devastation for Pakistan in its efforts to curb out Taliban insurgency. According to Reports these attacks had less than 3 % success and only 4 or 5 top Al Qaeda leaders were killed in past 5 or 6 years. The majority killed were innocent people, which resulted in creating more support for extremists in tribal region against which Pakistani state has sacrificed more then it can afford.

The main leader of TTP, Baitullah Mahsud always got special treatment from US and NATO. US drones have historically concentrated in hitting those commanders and tribes who are not involved in terrorism in Pakistan and occasionally hit those who are involve in Terrorism in Pakistan but in such style that the attacks gave benefits to enemies of Pakistan. On repeated requests US drones failed to hit Baitullah Mahsud who is behind all the terrorist attacks in Pakistan


There was a time when the drones did not target Baitullah simply because he was not attacking American troops across the Durand Line. This was a tactic of keeping down the number of people operating in Afghanistan through the “incentive” of “non-strikes”.



But before start of Operation Khanjer in Afghanistan, US started targeting Mahsud but interestingly these attacks are creating support base for Mahsud TTP in the area instead of killing him. According to reports, two drone attacks were conducted on 23 June, in first attack 6 people were killed which included an important TTP COMMANDER KHOZAY WALLI

Second Drone attack came in evening on the funeral prayer of said commander in which more then 65 people were killed and it was claimed that Taliban commanders Qari Hussein and Afghan commander Sangeen Zadran were amongst killed. But letter on it proved to be wrong as both survived. Zadran who is commander of Haqqani net work, which in odd with Baitullah group. Some journalists think Zadrans name was taken to prove that TTP is linked to Taliban of Afghanistan and Both Share common objectives. in order to convince Pakistan to launch simultaneous operations in south and north Waziristan( not realizing that when US and NATO them selves have Failed in their controlled territory, any Pakistani action like that will be a suicide) . On 23 media Interestingly it was reported that Baitullah himself came to attend the funeral of commander WALI .But went back after mysterious phone call before attack without attending the funeral. Government has accused time and again about Baitullah’s links with Afghan and Indian Intelligence agencies. Baitullahs escape and Mysterious phone call bring many questions in to mind…..




Another news item published on BBC enforces the belief that instead of helping Pakistan US and Allies are trying to create troubles for Pakistan and increase the confidence of its enemies. A report originating from BBC Pashtu service suggests that Pakistani Government have tried to reach Respected Mujahideen leader Jalaluddin Haqqani to denounce Baitullah Mahsud and his TTP which he has refused”

On reading this news peace I contacted my Channels bureau chief in Peshawar and my other reporter’s friends working in NWFP and FATA and asked their comments. All of them were sure that as the news originates from BBC Pashto service (which they call Bharatya Broad casting service) is a propaganda with aim of rebuilding confidence of Mahsud group and stop any tribe or Malik who is thinking help Government (interestingly BBC Pashto is only radio channel widely heard in SWA and NWA, Radio Pakistan channel was destroyed by Baitullahs men few months ago). Any observer of War on terror knows that from past 4 or 5 years Jalaluddin Haqqani is underground and we have nearly no news about him, secondly just few months back we were in picture that Conflict between Waziris and Mahsud was becoming ugly because of Mahsuds blockade of Waziris. Intentionally a propaganda campaign was launched to create the impression that Waziris and Mahsud and His TTP are one against Pakistan.

US want Pakistan to open new battles against those who are helping Afghan Taliban where as Pakistan wants to first eliminate the enemies who are fighting and terrorizing Pakistanies. In this process US is employing every technique to drag Pakistan into battles for its interest.

On Wednesday 15, while addressing on the forum of Consul for foreign Affairs, a well known US think tank, US sectary of States Hillary Clinton commented


In Afghanistan and Pakistan, our goal is to disrupt, dismantle, and ultimately defeat al-Qaeda and its extremist allies, and to prevent their return to either country. Yet Americans often ask, why do we ask our young men and women to risk their lives in Afghanistan when al-Qaeda’s leadership is in neighboring Pakistan? And that question deserves a good answer: We and our allies fight in Afghanistan because the Taliban protects al-Qaeda and depends on it for support, sometimes coordinating activities. In other words, to eliminate al-Qaeda, we must also fight the Taliban.

Hillary’s comment had a threat for Pakistan in it. She in plain words blamed that Pakistan’s Tribal areas as sanctuaries for Al Qaeda. Most of commentators think that this statement was for domestic consumption because US is failing in Afghanistan and likes to blame its failure on Pakistan.

As discussed earlier Pakistani military operations, as acknowledged by Americans them selves are breaking back bone of Militants. Pakistan has arrested many first class leaders of Al Qaied. Pakistan is bound to fight al Qaeda as it’s the main ally of Pakistan’s enemy which is TTP. Pakistani forces have cleared SWAT and in SWA it has started a new operation RAH e NIJAT.

At present Pakistani forces are eliminating Terrorists in multiple theaters. Where as in Afghanistan, still many provinces are under control of Taliban. Ironically no body is realizing Afghanistan is safer sanctuary for Al Qaeda and Taliban then Pakistan. No body has raised the question that those( Afghan National Army and Afghan National Police) who sell their arms to Taliban, how can they fight against them. In fact corrupt afghan government and war lords are behind the strength of Taliban and Al Qaeda and by the way it was Northern alliance leader Barhan ud din Rabbani who brought al Qaeda to Afghanistan. Now these same people are American and NATO allies.

Secondly with state of the art technology and superb network of intelligence in FATA US has so far Failed to hit any big fish in FATA with Its drones and Hell fire missiles.

There were more then 40 drone attacks this year but like all the past attacks these attacks killed many times more civilians then terrorists. According to estimates these attacks had only 3 % success.

As for Pakistan, who has done more then any one in this war and who is victim of its allies can do little at present. Pakistan cannot afford to start war in North and South Waziristan. It cannot afford to make its Pashtuns population hostile to it. That is why its forces can only be effective against TAKFIRI TTP which is seen as enemy of Islam, Pashtuns and Pakistan by the Population. Any effort in North Waziristan will have no sympathies of local population because, Haqqani, Bahader or Nazir were never involved in any act of terror in Pakistan. Any pressure on Pakistan to start simultaneous wars in both agencies will only damage Pakistan and will Balkanize the region.

It’s in interest of International community to reckon the ground realities. For peace and Stability powers involved in conflict should sit down and talk. Taliban are reality of Afghanistan, they represent Pashtuns. US and NATO should try to bring them to table and politically resolve the issue. Use of force can never bring durable peace, today, tomorrow or after year all will have to sit and talk. It’s better to learn from history or ells we all have to suffer the lessons of history once again
 
Northern Alliance; They are the major problem of today which needs to be removed from power very quickly! They will not destroy Afghanistan if they continue like this, but also our neighbouring countries can suffer a lot because of them. If Tajiks can't do anything for Afghanistan then why the hell they even bother to take power? Idiots! :mad:
 
All parties are idiots because they are inviteing imperials to resolve their disputes
 
Re: Bill Longley post above

Bush’s “War on Terror” or Obama’s “Over Sea contingency operations” are being conducted on the same principal of the above narrated story.

Not true, pure biased opinion.

US want central Asian Reserves and eye on Iran, Check on China and Russia. Pipelinetan. Big money and global control of energy resources for which it is ready to sacrifice any thing even its loyal ally Pakistan.

The US could give a sh!t about the AfPak pipeline. We have plenty of our own natural gas and oil but global warming politics takes precedence. and besides this pipeline was Benazir Bhutto's golden project, not that of the US Government!

It is widely believed in Pakistani intellectuals that Indian and friendly agencies are involve in terrorism in Balochistan and FATA with consent of Americans. USE of NATO and Indian weapons by TTP militants is seen as big evidence of this belief...

Calling these people "intellectuals" is an oxymoron of the first magnitude!!

India, another player wants Link to Central Asia; Break up of Pakistan or at least make it a weak state

Total Pakistani xenophobic Conspiracy BS. Not a shred of proof.

Afghanistan on whose territory the great game is played is a country without direction. It’s puppet in hands of US, NATO and India. The president and leaders of Afghanistan do not enjoy popularity amongst Afghans and are nothing if NATO and US leaves Afghanistan today. At present war lords and drug lords are controlling the territory and are allies of US and NATO and creating situation ripe for Taliban to exploit.

If Afghanistan is "without direction" it is only because of the takfiri Afghan Taliban.

TTP leadership has always disobeyed Mullah Omer because unlike Afghans they are under influence of Takfiri ideology and evidence suggest foreign intelligence agencies are using them for destabilization of Pakistan

There is no distinction Mullah Omar is equally Takfiri as is Baitullah Mehsud. Both are murdering irhabis.

Northern Alliance dominated Afghan government is ally of Pakistan’s Arch rival India. Pakistan has uncovered hard evidence of Indian involvement in Balochistan and FATA. According to reports India Plans to increase its forces to 110000 men in Afghanistan by December 2009(Express news).

No such "hard evidence" has ever been provided. if it exists, why doesn't Pakistan take it to the UN??

US is in picture of all the things originating from Afghanistan and is giving consent to all covert operations against Pakistan. Upon Pakistan’s protest and evidence recently US told India to close its consulate in Jalalabad which was being used as launching against Pakistan. Buts its only one case , Indian consulates ells where are still un checked by Americans

Total Pakistani xenophobic Conspiracy BS. Not a shred of proof.

US is giving India and Afghanistan free hand because it thinks Pakistan can be a hurdle in its ultimate designs for Pipelinetan.

The US could give a sh!t about the AfPak pipeline. We have plenty of our own natural gas and oil but global warming politics takes precedence.

In the name of Targeting Terrorist US has conducted dozens of Drone attacks in Pakistan stretching from South Waziristan to Bajor agency and to FR Bannu region and Aurak zai agency. The result of these attacks is devastation for Pakistan in its efforts to curb out Taliban insurgency.

Total exageration. The takfiri TTP has killed 10 times more people in suicide attacks than have ever been killed by US drones. In fact, there is no evidence that any "innocents" have been killed by US drones.

The main leader of TTP, Baitullah Mahsud always got special treatment from US and NATO.

Total Pakistani xenophobic Conspiracy BS. Not a shred of proof.

my other reporter’s friends working in NWFP and FATA and asked their comments. All of them were sure that as the news originates from BBC Pashto service (which they call Bharatya Broad casting service) is a propaganda with aim of rebuilding confidence of Mahsud group and stop any tribe or Malik

Total Pakistani xenophobic conspiracy BS. Not a shred of proof.

Hillary’s comment had a threat for Pakistan in it. She in plain words blamed that Pakistan’s Tribal areas as sanctuaries for Al Qaeda.

Yes, that's because they are!!

As for Pakistan, who has done more then any one in this war and who is victim of its allies can do little at present. Pakistan cannot afford to start war in North and South Waziristan. It cannot afford to make its Pashtuns population hostile to it. That is why its forces can only be effective against TAKFIRI TTP which is seen as enemy of Islam, Pashtuns and Pakistan by the Population. Any effort in North Waziristan will have no sympathies of local population because, Haqqani, Bahader or Nazir were never involved in any act of terror in Pakistan.

Pakistan must control the irhabis on its territory, regardless of their ethnicity, or suffer the consequences.
 
Re: Bill Longley post above



Not true, pure biased opinion.



The US could give a sh!t about the AfPak pipeline. We have plenty of our own natural gas and oil but global warming politics takes precedence. and besides this pipeline was Benazir Bhutto's golden project, not that of the US Government!



Calling these people "intellectuals" is an oxymoron of the first magnitude!!



Total Pakistani xenophobic Conspiracy BS. Not a shred of proof.



If Afghanistan is "without direction" it is only because of the takfiri Afghan Taliban.



There is no distinction Mullah Omar is equally Takfiri as is Baitullah Mehsud. Both are murdering irhabis.



No such "hard evidence" has ever been provided. if it exists, why doesn't Pakistan take it to the UN??



Total Pakistani xenophobic Conspiracy BS. Not a shred of proof.



The US could give a sh!t about the AfPak pipeline. We have plenty of our own natural gas and oil but global warming politics takes precedence.



Total exageration. The takfiri TTP has killed 10 times more people in suicide attacks than have ever been killed by US drones. In fact, there is no evidence that any "innocents" have been killed by US drones.



Total Pakistani xenophobic Conspiracy BS. Not a shred of proof.



Total Pakistani xenophobic conspiracy BS. Not a shred of proof.



Yes, that's because they are!!



Pakistan must control the irhabis on its territory, regardless of their ethnicity, or suffer the consequences.

with ignorance and arogance one can never seek the truth:enjoy:
 
Both the posts, by Hon. Bill Longley as well as from Hon. Truth Seeker, represent partial truths.

There is quite true that Pushtoons represent second largest ethnic group in Pakistan as well in the Armed Forces and the Civil Service. Majority of Pashtoons are for Pakistan but because of the tribal and deeply religious nature of the Pashtoon society, quite a few are also pro Taliban. Also Pakistan supported Taliban for a long time; there must still be some residual support for them in the ISI and in the Army. Thus it would be hard to deny that some earlier attempts to control Taliban were half hearted. Throw in Taliban support from the Deobandi/Takfiri groups in Southern Punjab and some Urdu speakers from Karachi, (JI is the second largest party among Urdu speakers after MQM) and we have a significant segment of Pakistani population including intellectuals as well as the media who hanker after Taliban government in Pakistan.

I have no doubt that India; after successfully liberating East Pakistan into Bangla Desh; would like to see Baluch and Sindhi nationalists prosper. Pakistan may be a pin prick, but half a pin prick is still preferable. Additionally, more trouble RAW can manage to stir up inside Pakistan, less support Pakistan will be able to provide to Kashmiri freedom fighters. Already thru the activities of Taliban the distinction between freedom fighters and terrorists has been blurred. Thus the accusations of Indian involvement cannot be ruled out as fanciful.

Al Quaeda consider Shias kafir and ‘wajib ul qatl’. Don’t think that Iranians would provide succor to Al Quaeda or to Taliban. However, both Iran and India supported Northern Alliance, a non Pushtoon Afghan force. Iranians could be supporting anti Karzai elements of Hazara & Tajiks origin thus aiding in the destabilization of Karzai regime.

It is also a fact the lot of Pakistanis believe in ‘Conspiracy Theory’. Many people I come across firmly believe that CIA/Mossad/Raw triad is out to destroy Pakistan as she is the sole Muslim atomic power.

A large number of Pakistanis also believe in the unity of Muslim ummah and would support any insurgency where Muslims are involved irrespective of the right or wrong of their cause. Main reason for this is the crisis of identity. We cannot decide whether we are Muslim first or Pakistani first. It is because of this dilemma that many decisions taken by gov't as well as polity at large turn out to be detrimental to the Pakistan state. Even oxford educated politician Imran Khan believes that we are fighting America’s war, completely ignoring the fact that TTP want to create a totalitarian Islamic Emirate (democracy being Kufr) and that Pakistan would be destroyed if TTP is not checked.

Is this a war of deception? No. Is there a clear cut answer as to which way is right? No.

I am one of those who believes that we are Pakistanis first and that WOT may have started as America’s war, but any one who still believes that it is not the war about Pakistan’s survival is either extremely naïve or not a friend of Pakistan. But this doesn’t necessarily mean that that I am completely in the right.
 
Eventually many realities and agendas of takfiri group fitna is going disclose in global world.
Certainly! Shias are their No.1 enemy and target and facing their terrorism long before 911,but in their agenda every non-Muslim and Muslim belong to other sects is also "wajib ul qatal".Their recent suicide attacks in Ahle Sunnah mosques and assassination of Sunni Aalim in madersa exposing their aims that they have no sympathy in their rigid sharia.
unfortunately majority not even realize that FITNA.

They want to impose their sharia in all over the world.
 
Al Quaeda consider Shias kafir and ‘wajib ul qatl’. Don’t think that Iranians would provide succor to Al Quaeda or to Taliban. However, both Iran and India supported Northern Alliance, a non Pushtoon Afghan force. Iranians could be supporting anti Karzai elements of Hazara & Tajiks origin thus aiding in the destabilization of Karzai regime.

How you know that Al-Qaida or Taliban think like this? btw yes there is one group emerging pretty fast who think those dis-respect sahabas (r.a) can't be muslims. But "Wajib-ul-qatl" need pretty much explaination. (btw there is a group in shia as well which think sunni, salafs are on wrong path, can't be called as muslims). btw if you are talking about TTP, then i don't need any explanation since i can expect anything from TTP followers, since they never use their head.

Also, like to add, many people always used KSA vs Iran, because ban between both countries. But in real both are not that much against each other. I have seen announcements of Muslims unity jointly been called only from these two nations.
 
How you know that Al-Qaida or Taliban think like this? btw yes there is one group emerging pretty fast who think those dis-respect sahabas (r.a) can't be muslims. But "Wajib-ul-qatl" need pretty much explaination. (btw there is a group in shia as well which think sunni, salafs are on wrong path, can't be called as muslims). btw if you are talking about TTP, then i don't need any explanation since i can expect anything from TTP followers, since they never use their head.

Also, like to add, many people always used KSA vs Iran, because ban between both countries. But in real both are not that much against each other. I have seen announcements of Muslims unity jointly been called only from these two nations.

I know it because I was given a book written by Maulana Zia ur Rahman Farooqi in Urdu about 20 years ago. It was called “ Shias are Muslim or Kaffir? You decide”. Maualana Farooqi was a close associate of Haq Nawaz Jhangvi and Tariq Azam who founded SSP at the behest of the bigot Zia ul Haq in 1985. We know that both SSP and Lashkar Jhangvi are linked to TTP.

The book contained the fatwa wherein it was declared that Shias are ‘Wajib ul Qatl’ by one aalim each century since the 3rd Hijra. I read the whole book out of curiosity more than any thing, but was amazed that at the mischief of the writer. There must have been thousands of renowned scholars in the Muslim world each century. However, the bigot calmly ignores all other others and comes up with one unknown scholar (could be a fake name as who would know for sure if such person existed or not) to prove his point. I wanted to buy the book for my personal library but since it was only lent to me I had to give it back. I have since been unable to locate any copy from the bookstalls. Understand this bigot mullah wrote another book “Quran kehta hai Shia mussalaman nahi “. Also has written extensively against the Maulana Ahmed Raza Brelvi and the Brelvi maslak.

In response to your question whether some Shias consider Sunnis as almost non Muslims? Yes, I came across some in Iran myself. However, here we are not discussing rights or wrong of different sects; I am neither condemning nor justifying any maslak in particular. I have only stated that it is highly unlikely that Iran would support Al Quaeda or Taliban because Taliban consider Shias as kafirs. This assumption is also based on the fact that Taliban murdered Iranian diplomats in Mazaar Sharif in 1998. At this time Pakistan led by Nawaz Sharif was the first country that recognized Taliban followed by Saudi Arabia and UAE. When Iran threatened to attack Taliban Afghanistan in retaliation; Pakistan and Iran nearly came to war as at that time Taliban were the darlings of Pakistan’s establishment. The matter was finally resolved when Taliban handed over the bodies of the murdered diplomats to Iran.

I am however surprised at the speed that you came to Taliban’s defense. No matter, there are many in Pakistan who support Taliban.
 
I know it because I was given a book written by Maulana Zia ur Rahman Farooqi in Urdu about 20 years ago. It was called “ Shias are Muslim or Kaffir? You decide”. Maualana Farooqi was a close associate of Haq Nawaz Jhangvi and Tariq Azam who founded SSP at the behest of the bigot Zia ul Haq in 1985. We know that both SSP and Lashkar Jhangvi are linked to TTP.

I guess i asked Al-qaida or Taliban not TTP. I already mentioned i can expect any thing stupid from those D**k heads. Also i already mention there is a group emerging between every group which consider other kaffir. Even many mullahs of today consider salafs as ghair mukhalikeen, so you can pray behind them (according to them), also i heard khomani also said something like this, BUT "wajibulqatal" is different thing. I also read many books even books from 18th century where they declare shia's as kafir, but no where i read as "Wajib-ul-Qatal"

PS: Kafir is not wajib-ul-qatal in any sector. And also i am not following kaffir thing, just putting arguments!!

You argument don't make sense, "Since TTP or Lashkar-e-jhangvi is doing that's why i can accuse Al-qaida or Taliban (real taliban)"

I am however surprised at the speed that you came to Taliban’s defense. No matter, there are many in Pakistan who support Taliban.

I am supporting real taliban from pretty long, you can go through my different arguments where i proved number of times that why Taliban is different then TTP, and who is good and who is bad.
 
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