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It is not possible to discuss military history of South Asia without Indian's bringing up the 1971 defeat of Pakistan Army in Bengal. Indian's treat this like way Russians look at Stalingrad defeat of the German 6th Army, like a incredible feat of Indian arms.
So I had a look at this war and here is some things I want Pakistani's to take note. I would ask the moderators if they could please make this thread a sticky. The war had two aspects to it because Pakistan faced two distinct but allied enemies. The Bengali and Indians. Thus it involved Pakistan forces fighting the Bengali Mukhti Bahini and fighting against Indian Army in a hostile environment.The fighting was in Bengali homeground with India adjacent whilst Pakistan was far way on the other side of the continent. Let us get some basic facts sorted out:-
Combatents
Pakistan Armed Forces versus Bengali Mukhti Bahini and Indian Armed Forces.
Air Distances.
Islamabad, Pakistan to Dhaka, Bangladesh - 1,300 miles
London, UK to Istanbul, Turkey - 1,400 miles
Sea Distances.
Karachi, Pakistan to Chittagong, Bangladesh - 3,400 miles
Plymouth, UK to Istanbul, Turkey - 3,400 miles
Population of UK 60 million
Population of Turkey 70 million
Population of Pakistan - 40 million (1971)
Population of East Bengal - 45 million (1971)
Population of India - (1971) 570 million
Population of Russia - 143 million
Total Pakistan uniformed military personnel in East Bengal - 55,000
I am going to compare the 1971 war with similar scenario today. In this scenario the British Army has deployed 55,000 men to Turkey. Assume the Turks have rebelled against British rule and Turkish Freedom Fighters (TFF) are involved in a full scale war against the British occupying army. The TFF enjoy widespread support from the Turkish civilian population. British Army units are subject ambush the moment they leave their holding positions. Soldiers are not allowed to leave strongpoints alone because of the hostile civilians and TFF attacks.
As the situation becomes extremely difficult for the overstretched British force it is clear that neighbouring Russia is openly supporting TFF fighters with traning and army. There are even reports of TFF units having Russian specialists. The British forces spread over Turkey decide to regroup around small number of strong points so as to make logistics easier. By this time British soldiers numbering only 50,000 are worn out and on their limit because of lack of reinforcements.
The British have to rely on a long winded sea route that involves a ships having to sail 3,400 miles thus making supply extremely difficult. The air route is about 1,400 miles but because lack of air transport aircraft this is not viable solution. emboldened by Russian support TFF start making bold attacks pinning British Army down to strong points beyond which TFF have control over the civilian population. British Army reacts harshly in this trying circumstances turning the Turkish civilian population even more strongly against the occupying British Army.
Reports now come that Russia has mobilized its army and is ready along all Turkish borders. British Army deperatly asks London to send more help in particular provide more fighter aircraft. British only have 16 fighters to cover all of Turkey against potential Russian attack.
In effect the British have 2 infantry divisions without any of their heavy equipment because of logistic restrictions have not been brought over and 12 aircraft to fight the TFF and contend with possible all out Russian air and ground attack from all sides of Turkey.
Suddenly the massed Russian armies invade Turkey from west, north and east. British forces already pinned down and worn out by continous fighting against TFF and trying to control the hostile civilian population face incredibly difficult position. As they are pushed back to near Istanbul they have no way of pulling out of Turkey because of lack of ships and the 3,400 miles sea journey back to UK. They have no choice but to surrender. The Turks and Russians hail decisive victory and turkey declares freedom from British occupation. Turks and Russians are dancing in the streets of Istanbul.
The British humilated but feel they did the best they could with 50,000 men fighting TFF and entire hostile Turkey as well as the mass invading Russians knowing that they are so far away from their home which is on the other side of the continent.
In the map below the red line is the sea route from UK to Turkey - 3,400 miles. The straight blue line is air route from London to Istanbul - 1,400 miles. The green perimeter in Turkey is the British Army holding line to prevent Russian ingress who attack from three differant directions with combined mass air and ground forces.
It must be noted here that between UK and Turkey most of the European countries would be UK allies and would lend air and ground facelties. In case of Pakistan the Indian landmass occupies the same area as Europe and would be hostile to Pakistan.
East Pakistan Air Operations, 1971 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
* As can be seen below the figure of 90,000 is cited as POW by Indians. However the regular Pakistan Army fighting soldiers numbered only 55,000. The rest were Police, paramilitary and civilian staff including civilian bureaucrats and their families. The paper below is Indian.
So I had a look at this war and here is some things I want Pakistani's to take note. I would ask the moderators if they could please make this thread a sticky. The war had two aspects to it because Pakistan faced two distinct but allied enemies. The Bengali and Indians. Thus it involved Pakistan forces fighting the Bengali Mukhti Bahini and fighting against Indian Army in a hostile environment.The fighting was in Bengali homeground with India adjacent whilst Pakistan was far way on the other side of the continent. Let us get some basic facts sorted out:-
Combatents
Pakistan Armed Forces versus Bengali Mukhti Bahini and Indian Armed Forces.
Air Distances.
Islamabad, Pakistan to Dhaka, Bangladesh - 1,300 miles
London, UK to Istanbul, Turkey - 1,400 miles
Sea Distances.
Karachi, Pakistan to Chittagong, Bangladesh - 3,400 miles
Plymouth, UK to Istanbul, Turkey - 3,400 miles
Population of UK 60 million
Population of Turkey 70 million
Population of Pakistan - 40 million (1971)
Population of East Bengal - 45 million (1971)
Population of India - (1971) 570 million
Population of Russia - 143 million
Total Pakistan uniformed military personnel in East Bengal - 55,000
I am going to compare the 1971 war with similar scenario today. In this scenario the British Army has deployed 55,000 men to Turkey. Assume the Turks have rebelled against British rule and Turkish Freedom Fighters (TFF) are involved in a full scale war against the British occupying army. The TFF enjoy widespread support from the Turkish civilian population. British Army units are subject ambush the moment they leave their holding positions. Soldiers are not allowed to leave strongpoints alone because of the hostile civilians and TFF attacks.
As the situation becomes extremely difficult for the overstretched British force it is clear that neighbouring Russia is openly supporting TFF fighters with traning and army. There are even reports of TFF units having Russian specialists. The British forces spread over Turkey decide to regroup around small number of strong points so as to make logistics easier. By this time British soldiers numbering only 50,000 are worn out and on their limit because of lack of reinforcements.
The British have to rely on a long winded sea route that involves a ships having to sail 3,400 miles thus making supply extremely difficult. The air route is about 1,400 miles but because lack of air transport aircraft this is not viable solution. emboldened by Russian support TFF start making bold attacks pinning British Army down to strong points beyond which TFF have control over the civilian population. British Army reacts harshly in this trying circumstances turning the Turkish civilian population even more strongly against the occupying British Army.
Reports now come that Russia has mobilized its army and is ready along all Turkish borders. British Army deperatly asks London to send more help in particular provide more fighter aircraft. British only have 16 fighters to cover all of Turkey against potential Russian attack.
In effect the British have 2 infantry divisions without any of their heavy equipment because of logistic restrictions have not been brought over and 12 aircraft to fight the TFF and contend with possible all out Russian air and ground attack from all sides of Turkey.
Suddenly the massed Russian armies invade Turkey from west, north and east. British forces already pinned down and worn out by continous fighting against TFF and trying to control the hostile civilian population face incredibly difficult position. As they are pushed back to near Istanbul they have no way of pulling out of Turkey because of lack of ships and the 3,400 miles sea journey back to UK. They have no choice but to surrender. The Turks and Russians hail decisive victory and turkey declares freedom from British occupation. Turks and Russians are dancing in the streets of Istanbul.
The British humilated but feel they did the best they could with 50,000 men fighting TFF and entire hostile Turkey as well as the mass invading Russians knowing that they are so far away from their home which is on the other side of the continent.
In the map below the red line is the sea route from UK to Turkey - 3,400 miles. The straight blue line is air route from London to Istanbul - 1,400 miles. The green perimeter in Turkey is the British Army holding line to prevent Russian ingress who attack from three differant directions with combined mass air and ground forces.
It must be noted here that between UK and Turkey most of the European countries would be UK allies and would lend air and ground facelties. In case of Pakistan the Indian landmass occupies the same area as Europe and would be hostile to Pakistan.
East Pakistan Air Operations, 1971 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
* As can be seen below the figure of 90,000 is cited as POW by Indians. However the regular Pakistan Army fighting soldiers numbered only 55,000. The rest were Police, paramilitary and civilian staff including civilian bureaucrats and their families. The paper below is Indian.
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