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Vietnam looks to the US for warplanes to beef up its defense against China

SIVA GOVINDASAMY, REUTERS

JUN. 4, 2015, 10:41 PM 769

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Air force personnel march during a military parade at Ba Dinh Square celebrating the 1,000th anniversary of the founding of Hanoi

SINGAPORE (Reuters) - Vietnam is in talks with European and U.S. contractors to buy fighter jets, maritime patrol planes and unarmed drones, sources said, as it looks to beef up its aerial defenses in the face of China's growing assertiveness in disputed waters.

The battle-hardened country has already taken possession of three Russian-built Kilo-attack submarines and has three more on order as part of a $2.6 billion deal agreed in 2009. Upgrading its air force would give Vietnam one of the most potent militaries in Southeast Asia.

The previously unreported aircraft discussions have involved Swedish defense contractor Saab, European consortium Eurofighter, the defense wing of Airbus and U.S. firms Lockheed Martin and Boeing, said industry sources with direct knowledge of the talks.

Defense contractors had made multiple visits to Vietnam in recent months although no deals were imminent, said the sources, who declined to be identified because of the sensitivity of the matter. Some of the sources characterized the talks as ongoing.

One Western defense contractor said Hanoi wanted to modernize its air force by replacing more than 100 ageing Russian MiG-21 fighters while reducing its reliance on Moscow for weapons for its roughly 480,000-strong military.

Vietnam has ordered about a dozen more Russian Sukhoi Su-30 front-line fighters to supplement a fleet of older Su-27s and Su-30s.

"We had indications they want to reduce their dependence on Russia. Their growing friendship with America and Europe will help them to do that," said the defense contractor.

U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter, during a visit to Vietnam on Sunday, pledged $18 million to help Hanoi buy U.S. patrol boats. But any deal with Lockheed or Boeing would likely be the most significant involving a U.S. firm since Washington started easing a long-time embargo on the sale of lethal weapons to Vietnam in October.

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Vietnam's Minister of Defense Phung Quang Thanh (C) salutes during a joint funeral for the 18 military servicemen who died in a helicopter crash, in Hanoi July 11, 2014.

The Vietnamese Foreign Ministry said it had forwarded questions from Reuters about the aircraft discussions to the appropriate authorities.

Boeing said in an email it believed it had capabilities in "intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance platforms that may meet Vietnam's modernization needs". It gave no specifics.

Lockheed and Saab declined to comment. Eurofighter and Airbus did not respond to a request for comment.

Chinese oil rig

While communist parties rule both Vietnam and China and annual trade has risen to nearly $60 billion, Vietnam has long been wary of China, especially over Beijing's claims to most of the South China Sea.

China's placement of an oil rig in waters claimed by Vietnam for more than two months last year infuriated Vietnam and underscored the coastal country's need to upgrade its maritime patrol capabilities in particular.

Vietnam's military budget is a state secret, although data collated by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) put defense spending at $3.4 billion in 2013, more than double the amount a decade ago.

Experts say actual spending could be much higher given the hardware acquired over recent years.

Among the aircraft under discussion with Vietnam were Saab's Gripen E fourth-generation fighter jet as well as the Saab 340 or 2000 twin-engine turboprops fitted with maritime patrol and airborne early warning systems, said a source with direct knowledge of those talks.

Vietnam had held talks over the Typhoon warplane made by Eurofighter as well as the F/A-50 light fighter jointly developed by Korea Aerospace Industries <047810.KS> and Lockheed, separate sources said.

Lockheed had discussed its Sea Hercules, the maritime patrol version of its C-130 transport plane.

Meanwhile, an additional source said Boeing wanted to sell its maritime surveillance aircraft program, which involves putting state-of-the-art P-8 Poseidon plane surveillance technology, although not anti-submarine capabilities, on a business jet.

Vietnam had also looked at unarmed surveillance drones made by Western and Asian contractors.


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P-8 Poseidon

Vietnam war legacy

Vietnam has already started moving slowly away from Russia in recent years, buying Canadian Twin Otter amphibious planes and Airbus Defence CASA C-212 maritime patrol aircraft for its coastguard and Airbus C-295 transport planes.

Airbus Defence had been in talks to offer maritime patrol and airborne early warning systems on the C-295, a source said.

In addition, Airbus Helicopters had been in preliminary talks with the Vietnamese military.

Despite increasingly warm ties with Washington, some experts said the legacy of the Vietnam War might make Hanoi wary about buying too much U.S. weaponry, possibly giving Sweden an edge.

"There is no ideological bias (in Vietnam) with Sweden," said Tim Huxley, executive director of the International Institute of Strategic Studies in Asia.

"The Gripen E will be a cost-effective option. Saab can offer a package that includes maritime patrol and airborne early warning aircraft."

However, one U.S. source familiar with Vietnam's goals said Hanoi saw Washington as a more reliable partner should tension with China escalate.

"Vietnam is interested in building a much closer relationship with the United States, but they also don't want to anger China," said the source, who was not authorized to speak publicly.

"They're looking for a balanced, phased, or step-by-step approach.'

(Editing by Dean Yates)

Read the original article on Reuters. Copyright 2015. Follow Reuters onTwitter.
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Eurofighter Typhoon fighters

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F/A-50 light fighter
 
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Lol,we are not afraid of the REAL USA with hundreads of warships and thousands of airfighters,even if USA gives some warships and airfighters to Vietnam ,can this change any reality?do you think we care this ?
Our eternal target is always USA,our troops are trained to defeat USA in Asia,it is not a secret . At the beginning of 21th century,the mission of PLA is to win the war when fighting in REGINAL information war. Today,the mission is to win the war when fighting in FULL information war. So relax,Japan,Vietnam, Phlippline.......you are ACTUALLY not in our list,you are not strong enough,so no need to shout as a whore,we donot want to waste time to F you,F the countries above is meaningless, to expel USA away from Asia is our true mission.
To be honest,modern war is system war including land,sea,air ,satellite and cyber weapon,the war system is the key,small countries is impossible to build war system,USA can sell some weapon to Vietnam or Japan,but it cannot sell the whole system. We China also has whole war system ,so we never worry sevral lonely warships or planes.
 
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I think our little Vietnamese are getting a little too excited. LOL
 
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Its better for all of the South East Asian countries to sell all of the Chinese equipment to operators in Africa, Asia(Pakistan) and South America.
 
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China have to be careful, with the $18M aid commitment from US, our vietnamese friends will bagged all the best stuff from US to counter every threat in SCS. No one can challenge vietnam now. Watch your step China, or $18M high tech war machine will teach you a good lesson :enjoy:


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China have to be careful, with the $18M aid commitment from US, our vietnamese friends will bagged all the best stuff from USA to counter every threat in SCS. No one can challenge vietnam now. Watch your step China, or $18M high tech war machine will teach you a good lesson :enjoy:
don´t try to act as comedian idiot. you have no talent.
 
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Lol,we are not afraid of the REAL USA with hundreads of warships and thousands of airfighters,even if USA gives some warships and airfighters to Vietnam ,can this change any reality?do you think we care this ?
Our eternal target is always USA,our troops are trained to defeat USA in Asia,it is not a secret . At the beginning of 21th century,the mission of PLA is to win the war when fighting in REGINAL information war. Today,the mission is to win the war when fighting in FULL information war. So relax,Japan,Vietnam, Phlippline.......you are ACTUALLY not in our list,you are not strong enough,so no need to shout as a whore,we donot want to waste time to F you,F the countries above is meaningless, to expel USA away from Asia is our true mission.
To be honest,modern war is system war including land,sea,air ,satellite and cyber weapon,the war system is the key,small countries is impossible to build war system,USA can sell some weapon to Vietnam or Japan,but it cannot sell the whole system. We China also has whole war system ,so we never worry sevral lonely warships or planes.
do you think weapons make you to a great military power?

first, how about a rematch with Burma?
not long ago, this third rated military power Burma fcked you, not only one time, but three times.

second, without good men and brave women, plus modern training, plus detailed knowledge on your enemies, your army will forever remain as loser, as it is: a disorganized bunch of weaklings and cowards.
 
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While you are at this, why not ask for Ohio class SSBN, Nimitz class CVN and Zumwalt DDG? I am sure US is willing to give them to VN for free.
 
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I think our little Vietnamese are getting a little too excited. LOL

Yea, a spanking is long over due. 30+ years is too long to go without kicking some Viet ***.
 
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Gentlemen let's take it down a notch. A conflict is so outside the realm of reality. As we speak bilateral measures are underway to reinforce stability with said relevant parties.
 
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China have to be careful, with the $18M aid commitment from US, our vietnamese friends will bagged all the best stuff from US to counter every threat in SCS. No one can challenge vietnam now. Watch your step China, or $18M high tech war machine will teach you a good lesson :enjoy:


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LOL, an F-22 model toy instead of a real F-22 to Vietnam?
 
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Not just a toy, mind you. but the mighty F-22 toy. Nothing can beat F-22 toy, except maybe the Gundam. Every viet children will get this toy with the proposed $18M aid budget from US. This is the ultimate dream of every vietnamese children.
 
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China have to be careful, with the $18M aid commitment from US, our vietnamese friends will bagged all the best stuff from US to counter every threat in SCS. No one can challenge vietnam now. Watch your step China, or $18M high tech war machine will teach you a good lesson :enjoy:


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I love military toys. Cheap plastic planes made from Indonesia right?:laugh:
 
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