Vietnam Defence Forum

[gambit]

China has the prompt global strike capability, most of the US allies would get wiped out within a hour.

When it is a real battle, then it would only be an one-on-one battle between the two titans, and those puny lackeys are just neglectable.

Then why not China done it ?

Am using the same silly argument that you PDF Chinese have been using against the US: If you can do something, then you must do it.

But since US allies are still around, that mean you are wrong. China cannot do what you claimed.

That's your own problem, we are now building a navy that rivals the USN.

Do you want to stop us from consolidating the SCS with your own effort?

Yeah...You are STILL building. And even if China sustain that build for 50 yrs, that does not mean the US will be stagnant in that time span.

China does not have an aircraft carrier.

Sorry, but the Liaoning does not qualify. To 'have an aircraft carrier' mean to be able to use that ship as a credible threat. The Liaoning is nothing more than a training vessel.

What this mean is that in terms of inflicting damages in combat or containment of China, the Viets are closer to China than China is closer to the US.

 

[Viet]

Let me read about it first. I saw a headline, but I didn't read the articles. What I can say is that 2 satellites can't cover 2 thirds of the planet by themselves. The service is probably connected to other networks from other countries that use other satellites. Something like when you are roaming with your phone when you go to other countries.

I'm still in China and quite busy.

Bingo!

we have vinasat-1 und 2 in space, two telecommunication satellites, actually covering Vietnam, Southeast Asia and some "other" countries nearby. both were manufactured by Lockheed Martin. to cover 2/3 of the planet, more satellites are needed, and I guess we rent them from the US, which have some 500 satellites in space. and that explains why only 2/3 and not the whole planet, because the coverage excludes American continent. that means, our Navy can now operate worldwide, our missiles can land on targets with higher accuracy, our fishermen at sea can call our Coast Guard for assistance if seeing intruders, our spies in foreign countries can make secured phone calls to the headquarters. all that without relying on foreign telecom infrastructures.

have the US lifted arms embargo recently?

did Locked Martin visit Hanoi?

putting pieces of puzzle in a picture

great times ahead

wishing you have a good business!

picture of vinasat-2

launching vinasat-2 in space

 

[Viet]

Live fire exercise. ZCY-23 tank with 23mm quad artillery guns against air, land and water targets, 3,400 rounds a minute, effective range 2,000 m, radar detecting range 12 km, locking targets at a distance of 10 km.

 

[vtnsx]

Bingo!

we have vinasat-1 und 2 in space, two telecommunication satellites, actually covering Vietnam, Southeast Asia and some "other" countries nearby. both were manufactured by Lockheed Martin. to cover 2/3 of the planet, more satellites are needed, and I guess we rent them from the US, which have some 500 satellites in space. and that explains why only 2/3 and not the whole planet, because the coverage excludes American continent. that means, our Navy can now operate worldwide, our missiles can land on targets with higher accuracy, our fishermen at sea can call our Coast Guard for assistance if seeing intruders, our spies in foreign countries can make secured phone calls to the headquarters. all that without relying on foreign telecom infrastructures.

have the US lifted arms embargo recently?

did Locked Martin visit Hanoi?

putting pieces of puzzle in a picture

great times ahead

wishing you have a good business!

picture of vinasat-2

launching vinasat-2 in space

I thought this was launched long time ago. I heard more sats are going up soon

 

[Viet]

I thought this was launched long time ago. I heard more sats are going up soon

correct. vinasat-1 and 2 were launched in 2008 and 2012. but to fully utilize the satellites and expand the coverage to 2/3 of the earth surface for satellite communications, we need, first, to lend foreign satellites, enabling them as transponders. as our satellites are made by Lockheed Martin, a US company, I would guess we lend similar Lockheed Martin made satellites, operated by the US government.

second, for secured and encrypted communications we need the software. we need to put all sats into a sats cloud called "vinaphone s". understandably, the US have no interests if we cover the American continent using US technology. hence only 2/3 coverage.

some thing like this US sat

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Then why not China done it ?

Am using the same silly argument that you PDF Chinese have been using against the US: If you can do something, then you must do it.

But since US allies are still around, that mean you are wrong. China cannot do what you claimed.


Yeah...You are STILL building. And even if China sustain that build for 50 yrs, that does not mean the US will be stagnant in that time span.

China does not have an aircraft carrier.

Sorry, but the Liaoning does not qualify. To 'have an aircraft carrier' mean to be able to use that ship as a credible threat. The Liaoning is nothing more than a training vessel.

What this mean is that in terms of inflicting damages in combat or containment of China, the Viets are closer to China than China is closer to the US.

IF I am China, I will not bother myself with the desperate provocations initiated by USA thru' her proxies e.g. Philippines or Japan as it does not benefit China one tiny bit at this moment.

In any case USA cannot hope to win or fight a war with China without the deployment of her mega thermonuclear weapons. Based on what I read, China has the capability to intercept as well as retaliate using her hypersonic weapons e.g. HGV WU-14 or her latest multiple warheads JL-3 Julong SLBM. So you see it is quite mutual and I do not see USA-China in all out war in the near future. Incidence involving USA spyplanes perhaps or maybe warships ramming each others.

Don't underestimate the CV16 Liaoning as it is indeed a full fledge AIRCRAFT CARRIER which can be very lethal to enemies warships if you study her type of armament or the type of weapon the J-15 are capable of carrying.

Yes it is indeed designated as a training vessel by choice by China Military for her future projection fleets e.g. CV18 onwards.

In says 5 more years or so, USA will no longer have any edge whether it is in her economy or in her MILITARY, at the rate China is progressing. China in compliance with SNA 2013 accounting standard will added another couple of trillion to her already huge economy. At 6.5~7%, when China sneezes nations like Vietnam, South Korea or Taiwan will catch a cold.

correct. vinasat-1 and 2 were launched in 2008 and 2012. but to fully utilize the satellites and expand the coverage to 2/3 of the earth surface for satellite communications, we need, first, to lend foreign satellites, enabling them as transponders. as our satellites are made by Lockheed Martin, a US company, I would guess we lend similar Lockheed Martin made satellites, operated by the US government.

second, for secured and encrypted communications we need the software. we need to put all sats into a sats cloud called "vinaphone s". understandably, the US have no interests if we cover the American continent using US technology. hence only 2/3 coverage.

some thing like this US sat

These satellites are great for commercial applications but if they are ever employed in a war with China, they may be all destroyed.

 

[Viet]

These satellites are great for commercial applications but if they are ever employed in a war with China, they may be all destroyed.

if you ever shot down one sat, the debris would destroy your sats, too. besides, I doubt you dare to shoot down US satellites. the Americans won´t be amused. their sats are as holy, sacred as aircraft Carriers.

 

[gambit]

Don't underestimate the CV16 Liaoning as it is indeed a full fledge AIRCRAFT CARRIER which can be very lethal to enemies warships if you study her type of armament or the type of weapon the J-15 are capable of carrying.

What make you think I have underestimate the Liaoning for what she is ? The Liaoning is a training vessel. Her configuration is not likely up to wartime standards. Her crew is still essentially learning the uniqueness of running an aircraft carrier. Her fleet is still in the same status as her crew -- training. The Liaoning is not a credible threat.

 

[Carlosa]

What make you think I have underestimate the Liaoning for what she is ? The Liaoning is a training vessel. Her configuration is not likely up to wartime standards. Her crew is still essentially learning the uniqueness of running an aircraft carrier. Her fleet is still in the same status as her crew -- training. The Liaoning is not a credible threat.

And lets not forget that Liaoning's propulsion is crap, it always navigates with several tug boats because the propulsion can fail at any time.

 

[GS Zhou]

if you ever shot down one sat, the debris would destroy your sats, too. besides, I doubt you dare to shoot down US satellites. the Americans won´t be amused. their sats are as holy, sacred as aircraft Carriers.

yes, debris is annoying. But fortunately, China has launched orbit cleaner for debris cleaning.

China launched CZ-7 rocket in June 2016. Many interesting loads carried by this rocket, with Aolong-1 one of the many. Aolong-1 is a debris cleaner with a robotic arm. The robotic arm could catch orbital debris or even retired satellite and “throw” the orbital trash to atmosphere to make them burned.

Aolong-1 news article from Xinhua News Agency

No, we won't attack the satellites of any foreign countries. But maybe one day Aolong lost control and put some debris on the orbit of another satellite. A traffic accident on orbit happens. What a sad news.

 

[Farhan Bohra]

Bingo!

we have vinasat-1 und 2 in space, two telecommunication satellites, actually covering Vietnam, Southeast Asia and some "other" countries nearby. both were manufactured by Lockheed Martin. to cover 2/3 of the planet, more satellites are needed, and I guess we rent them from the US, which have some 500 satellites in space. and that explains why only 2/3 and not the whole planet, because the coverage excludes American continent. that means, our Navy can now operate worldwide, our missiles can land on targets with higher accuracy, our fishermen at sea can call our Coast Guard for assistance if seeing intruders, our spies in foreign countries can make secured phone calls to the headquarters. all that without relying on foreign telecom infrastructures.

have the US lifted arms embargo recently?

did Locked Martin visit Hanoi?

putting pieces of puzzle in a picture

great times ahead

wishing you have a good business!

picture of vinasat-2

launching vinasat-2 in space

And let's not forget this

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx?relid=137666

This is official version of GoI

As part of Space Cooperation between India and Association of South East Asian Nations (ASEAN), Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO), at the behest of Government of India, is working towards the establishment of a Satellite Tracking & Data Reception Station and Data Processing Facility in Vietnam for ASEAN Member countries. This facility is intended to acquire and process Indian Remote Sensing Satellite data pertaining to ASEAN region and disseminate to ASEAN Member countries.

Under this initiative, all ASEAN member countries will be allowed to access processed remote sensing data pertaining to their country.

This is Indian way of saying we are in military cooperation.

 

[Viet]

yes, debris is annoying. But fortunately, China has launched orbit cleaner for debris cleaning.

China launched CZ-7 rocket in June 2016. Many interesting loads carried by this rocket, with Aolong-1 one of the many. Aolong-1 is a debris cleaner with a robotic arm. The robotic arm could catch orbital debris or even retired satellite and “throw” the orbital trash to atmosphere to make them burned.

Aolong-1 news article from Xinhua News Agency
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No, we won't attack the satellites of any foreign countries. But maybe one day Aolong lost control and put some debris on the orbit of another satellite. A traffic accident on orbit happens. What a sad news.

I like your humour.

if the report is true, your last kill of a satellite in space created an estimated 150,000 debris particles. many particles are big, many are small. what do you think if

- your debris cleaner can clean all the mess you created?

- how long the "cleaner" takes to clean up the space?

 

[GS Zhou]

I like your humour.

if the report is true, your last kill of a satellite in space created an estimated 150,000 debris particles. many are big, many are small. what do you think if

- your debris cleaner can clean the mess you created?

- how long the "cleaner" takes to clean the space?

I like your confidence. You can treat the news as fake. With high accuracy calculation, a small push from debris is powerful enough to change the satellite orbit and make the satellite falling to earth. That's orbit dynamics. That's part of the reason we develop world's fastest computer.

there are already too many debris on the orbit. We won't expect China to clean all of them in foreseeable future. What we are doing is to gradual cleaning up the large pieces that likely to pose direct threat to our most valuable space assets.

Even if some of our satellites hit by trash and falling down, so what? We will launch a new one to make the old one replaced. That's it. That's why we develop and test the fast launch system below. You want to run a satellite launching contest with us?

 

[gambit]

And lets not forget that Liaoning's propulsion is crap, it always navigates with several tug boats because the propulsion can fail at any time.

I did not know that. But then when it is evident that the Liaoning is nothing but a training vessel, I admit I did not keep up with its progress.

 

[Farhan Bohra]

And lets not forget that Liaoning's propulsion is crap, it always navigates with several tug boats because the propulsion can fail at any time.

All the Aircraft Carrier with boiler propulsion are crap. Same case with Indian Navy's INS Vikramaditya.

Boiler is 19th century technology, and of no use in world of CODAG or COGAG. The first high tech carrier in Asia will be INS Vikrant.