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[xesy]

Hmm what's so strange about that?

Maybe @Viet has better summary than mine. The whole point is that CCP and Chinese govt no longer aim for a better society, where there is equality and justice (i.e ideal socialism), but to restore the former glory of the Middle Kingdom Empire, and they are ready to do anything, to sacrifice anything to do that.

 

[Viet]

more exciting news from the United States. Both Congress and Senate support lifting weapons embargo and call for a new chapter in the relationship with VN.

Senator Bob Corker said the US Senate supports lifting the ban on lethal weapon sales to Vietnam at meeting with State President Truong in Hanoi on August 5. Plus America has interest to expand civilian nuclear cooperation.

Rep. J. Randy Forbes, Chairman of the Seapower and Projection Forces Subcommittee, and Rep. Colleen Hanabusa, a member of the House Armed Services Committee, introduced a bipartisan resolution on July 31, which among other things, affirms a US policy to establish and implement a policy framework with the Vietnamese government.

The interests include the sale or transfer of United States defense articles appropriate for the development and maintenance of Vietnam’s external defense capabilities.

 

[eazzy]

Nice.

 

[Viet]

Nice.

yes, we are witnessing a historic moment my friend.

Maybe @Viet has better summary than mine. The whole point is that CCP and Chinese govt no longer aim for a better society, where there is equality and justice (i.e ideal socialism), but to restore the former glory of the Middle Kingdom Empire, and they are ready to do anything, to sacrifice anything to do that.

actually, communism is alien to China. Chinese are more capitalists. the ruling elites just use communism as empty cover.

 

[Carlosa]

Yo my man Carlosa. Can you read VNese? It would be great if you could take a look at the article in my above post. Don't worry the author has a pretty neutral tone and the content is no ultra nationalist smearing on China either. I am looking forward to your comment, cause you are a good poster, your post always worths reading.

Xin chao Bro, I had to translate it using Bing translator (google translator is blocked in China). The translation is pretty bad, but I get the idea.

Yes, the article is correct. Even chinese that have very bad opinions of the government and by the way, most of the people that I talk to in china, tell me that the government is bad and they don't believe anything the government says, but as soon as there is a foreign policy issue, the chinese will rally behind the flag and they follow the government line, never mind that they used to say that they don't believe anything the government says. Chinese are very nationalistic, period. Obviously the government manipulates the nationalistic feelings of the people.

The way they go for the gold medals is an expression of their nationalism; Americans are also that way by the way.

In these type of foreign policy issues, I would classify the chinese into 2 groups, the brain washed ones, those are the one that believe the government propaganda and all the bs about the historical claims, etc. Those are pretty fanatical most of the time and is usually a waste of time to talk to them.

The other group are smart, they know that all that is incorrect, but they believe that is ok to do because that's what big powers do.

By the way, I like what you wrote with Gambit, you defended yourself very well man.

yes, we are witnessing a historic moment my friend.


actually, communism is alien to China. Chinese are more capitalists. the ruling elites just use communism as empty cover.

Indeed !!!!!! I see some second hand, refurbished F-16's coming up (like what Indonesia is getting).

 

[ComradeNam]

Vietnamese don't really need U.S weapons. They request U.S lift ban is as gesture of friendship. Vietnam can easily modernize their army with many arm supplers from Eastern and Western Europe; France, Isreal, Germany, Netherland, Russia. Czech...etc.

 

[Carlosa]

To the Viet bros and sis, anybody from Danang here by the way?

 

[xesy]

@Carlosa There is one thing you did not mention is that the feeling behind nationlism of Chinese people is not the love for the country, but more of a revenge desire for what the country suffered in the last 200 years. It's dangerous because the last time, it was Nazi Germans who felt the same after its defeat in WW1 and they made a miraculous come back. Well, we all know what happened after that. Chinese govt is playing with fire, and their people nationalism is a big big gun power keg. Once it exploses, there will be wars, maybe even a world war.

 

[Carlosa]

@Carlosa There is one thing you did not mention is that the feeling behind nationlism of Chinese people is not the love for the country, but more of a revenge desire for what the country suffered in the last 200 years. It's dangerous because the last time, it was Nazi Germans who felt the same after its defeat in WW1 and they made a miraculous come back. Well, we all know what happened after that. Chinese govt is playing with fire, and their people nationalism is a big big gun power keg. Once it exploses, there will be wars, maybe even a world war.

Yes, I would say that their nationalism has 2 parts, the standard nationalistic feeling which is already intense enough, plus, like you said, the kind of revenge nationalistic feelings after 2 centuries of being put downed by western colonial powers.

In my experience with them, I would say that standard nationalism is the one that actually most chinese people have. The other type is prevalent in more selected circles such as the military, many people in government, many intellectuals, etc.

Love for the country and their ethnic cultural background is a feeling that they definitely have, I can tell you that for sure.

I would say that China now is behaving in a way very similar to Japan before WW2.

Vietnamese don't really need U.S weapons. They request U.S lift ban is as gesture of friendship. Vietnam can easily modernize their army with many arm supplers from Eastern and Western Europe; France, Isreal, Germany, Netherland, Russia. Czech...etc.

You are very right, but I think Vietnamese weapon purchases from USA would be a symbol of a deepening friendship and possible alliance, so from that perspective, why not? And if they happened to be cheap, even better.

 

[eazzy]

So China is WW2 Japan and Nazi Germany at the same time...wow scary...

 

[NarThoD]

any news for possible aquisition of T-90s for VPA ? VPA will need more advanced MBTs to keep up with PLA since their MBT arsenal are mostly just leftovers from Vietnam War

VPA are even still operating this grandpa although i like the design actually

Good Luck for Vietnam!

 

[Carlosa]

any news for possible aquisition of T-90s for VPA ? VPA will need more advanced MBTs to keep up with PLA since their MBT arsenal are mostly just leftovers from Vietnam War

VPA are even still operating this grandpa although i like the design actually Good Luck for Vietnam!

No worries, grandpa guns in Vietnamese hands kill chinese very effectively.

 

[Rechoice]

any news for possible aquisition of T-90s for VPA ? VPA will need more advanced MBTs to keep up with PLA since their MBT arsenal are mostly just leftovers from Vietnam War

VPA are even still operating this grandpa although i like the design actually

Good Luck for Vietnam!

This is new toy.

 

[Viet]

To the Viet bros and sis, anybody from Danang here by the way?

I lived in Nha Trang when I was a young boy.
Da Nang was one of the cities at my last visit. I am very impressed of it. it is much more modern and developed than Nha Trang.

Vietnamese don't really need U.S weapons. They request U.S lift ban is as gesture of friendship. Vietnam can easily modernize their army with many arm supplers from Eastern and Western Europe; France, Isreal, Germany, Netherland, Russia. Czech...etc.

almost western weapon systems, be fighter jets or warships or drones contain US made parts. Even if they don´t contain US made parts at all, the US as the sole superpower on this planet can force its allies to abandon arms sales to unfriendly or hostile countries.

So if we want to buy German warships and submarines, we need OK from Uncle Sam.

Germany stops Russian arms deal | Germany | DW.DE | 04.08.2014

 

[Viet]

This is new toy.

what is it?
it is not Pantsir-s1 because the system looks much different.