Vietnam Defence Forum

[Viet]

April 14. A rare visit from the Siamese. Three Thai warships H.T.M.S Chaophraya (FF4555), H.T.M.S Makutrajakuman (FF 443) and H.T.M.S Narathitwa (OPV 12) under the command of Admiral Chandarodvong pay a visit to the Cam Ranh bay. Things become increasingly interesting.

BRdm-2 light amphibious patrol tank. The army reportedly has 200 pieces in inventory.

 

[sinait]

bro India is a great military power, nuclear armed, possessing many key technologies, we want to acquire. No need to convince anyone the country should never be underestimated. India is one of the pillars of Vietnam foreign defense relations.

This news brings Vietnam one step closer to manufacturing large warships. According to QĐND newspaper, Vietnam has acquired the technology of Fire control radar MP-123. the radar is used to guide ship artillery gun such as AK-100, AK-176, AK-230, AK-630M and AK-726.

Great stuff

destroyer is coming

Not sure India will become a great military power though they sure have the potential but so far have not much to show for it. Rather it will be interesting to see a rising Vietnam. I am surprised myself to see the progress Vietnam has made. When I was with Sandvik, a Swedish tools and steel company, we never ordered anything from our Indian subsidiary due to quality problems. So I would be cautious with anything made in India. Let's look forward to Made in Vietnam.

 

[Viet]

Not sure India will become a great military power though they sure have the potential but so far have not much to show for it. Rather it will be interesting to see a rising Vietnam. I am surprised myself to see the progress Vietnam has made. When I was with Sandvik, a Swedish tools and steel company, we never ordered anything from our Indian subsidiary due to quality problems. So I would be cautious with anything made in India. Let's look forward to Made in Vietnam.

India operates aircraft carriers, destroyers and nuclear submarines, so toys Vietnam can dream of. India army has proven in wars against Pakistan. when at work, any time I call out to a Cisco Systems technical hotline, I got 80 pct all the cases someone from India on the phone. sure, India has weaknesss, but everything is relative (says Albert Einstein).

Vietnam rise should not worry anyone. We are a peaceful country. Made in VN is in the making. Cheers!

 

[sinait]

India operates aircraft carriers, destroyers and nuclear submarines, so toys Vietnam can dream of. India army has proven in wars against Pakistan. when at work, any time I call out to a Cisco Systems technical hotline, I got 80 pct all the cases someone from India on the phone. sure, India has weaknesss, but everything is relative (says Albert Einstein).

Vietnam rise should not worry anyone. We are a peaceful country. Made in VN is in the making. Cheers!

Nothing to be proud of those toys that are either 2nd hand or assembled with imported parts. Not to be dismissed, but I don't think that qualify as a great military power. I am sure Vietnam can make them in due time. The way Vietnam is concentrating on economy 1st is great. No point having expensive toys but have people laughing at your country for open defecation because of no toilets. Just as the Chinese have problems with their quality control, the Indians are many times worse. So when buying made in India, caveat emptor.

 

[Viet]

Nothing to be proud of those toys that are either 2nd hand or assembled with imported parts. Not to be dismissed, but I don't think that qualify as a great military power. I am sure Vietnam can make them in due time. The way Vietnam is concentrating on economy 1st is great. No point having expensive toys but have people laughing at your country for open defecation because of no toilets. Just as the Chinese have problems with their quality control, the Indians are many times worse. So when buying made in India, caveat emptor.

Ha ha ha the way you speak reveals you are a true Chinese from a true China. If it comes to India the toilet theme becomes a topic. How about if you acknowledge the contribution of Indian people in the establishing and prosperity of Singapore?

Like I said previously everything is relative, every country should find itself the right way to peace and progress. Things are much complicated and complex in Vietnam because we live next to a giant neighbor that is very hostile to Vietnam. All of the nations in East and Southeast Asia it is only China that makes us wary, other countries' militarilies are too weak and pose no challenge to Vietnam army.

Reinventing the wheel is always a bad thing. I feel no shame if copying from other and make it better.

Great you have trust to Vietnam economy. You are right it is just a matter of time until we catch up with richer countries.

Chinese quality is a big topic among Vietnamese.

 

[sinait]

Ha ha ha the way you speak reveals you are a true Chinese from a true China. If it comes to India the toilet theme becomes a topic. How about if you acknowledge the contribution of Indian people in the establishing and prosperity of Singapore?

Like I said previously everything is relative, every country should find itself the right way to peace and progress. Things are much complicated and complex in Vietnam because we live next to a giant neighbor that is very hostile to Vietnam. All of the nations in East and Southeast Asia it is only China that makes us wary, other countries' militarilies are too weak and pose no challenge to Vietnam army.

Reinventing the wheel is always a bad thing. I feel no shame if copying from other and make it better.

Great you have trust to Vietnam economy. You are right it is just a matter of time until we catch up with richer countries.

Chinese quality is a big topic among Vietnamese.

Don't be surprised this open defecation thing is not a talking point just from the Chinese. The Pinoys also talk about it. I found this out only a few years back and not believing it until I confirmed it with my Indian friend who has a shop in Chennai. After that many people confirmed it as well. Don't you find it disgusting.
No, Singapore don't depend on Indians for it's prosperity, we depend on all of us with the majority being Chinese. Anyway I am talking about the Indians from India. Our local Indians loathe them as well. I am not saying all of them are obnoxious and I am not talking about those southern Indians working in the factories. My friendly former neighbor is from Kerala but he went on to Australia, and my new Indian neighbor got this smell. He says the whole Common Corridor belongs to him(not joking). I don't like doing business with them either. They would bargain the price again after the job is done and ready for delivery. Of course they got lots of great people as well, like the doctor who did my heart operation, haha.
Vietnamese are industrious just like in Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore. So you are right that it's just a matter of time.
Some of these oversea Indians like to brag, claiming they help us to be rich. We were rich before they came. In fact there were a lot of unhappiness a few years back over having too many Indian foreign workers in Singapore, so called foreign talent. We don't mind a lower GDP with less foreign workers.

 

[Viet]

Don't be surprised this open defecation thing is not a talking point just from the Chinese. The Pinoys also talk about it. I found this out only a few years back and not believing it until I confirmed it with my Indian friend who has a shop in Chennai. After that many people confirmed it as well. Don't you find it disgusting.
No, Singapore don't depend on Indians for it's prosperity, we depend on all of us with the majority being Chinese. Anyway I am talking about the Indians from India. Our local Indians loathe them as well. I am not saying all of them are obnoxious and I am not talking about those southern Indians working in the factories. My friendly former neighbor is from Kerala but he went on to Australia, and my new Indian neighbor got this smell. He says the whole Common Corridor belongs to him(not joking). I don't like doing business with them either. They would bargain the price again after the job is done and ready for delivery. Of course they got lots of great people as well, like the doctor who did my heart operation, haha.
Vietnamese are industrious just like in Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore. So you are right that it's just a matter of time.
Some of these oversea Indians like to brag, claiming they help us to be rich. We were rich before they came. In fact there were a lot of unhappiness a few years back over having too many Indian foreign workers in Singapore, so called foreign talent. We don't mind a lower GDP with less foreign workers.

India is surely a country of extremes. Rich and poor. But in military sphere India can help Vietnam by relieving pressure on the eastern flank.

 

[Viet]

Air defense

Vietnam improved fire control radar SNR-125-2TM. Specs: capable to detect flying objects 100 km far away with radar reflector size (RCS) as small as 0,02m2, following and guiding two missiles onto two different targets at any one time, radar response time 3 seconds, firing distance 40 km.

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[Aqsuperman]

Elite Recon Battalion from the Capital Military District armed with XM177 rifle, i wonder where are those guns come from :v

 

[sinait]

India is surely a country of extremes. Rich and poor. But in military sphere India can help Vietnam by relieving pressure on the eastern flank.

Not sure if Vietnam need India. Look how they abandon Mongolia when help is really needed. Also careful not to offend them, even if inadvertent, look at what happened to the Snapchat CEO. Singapore rely on the US to bring balance to the region. Of course big brother not too happy with Singapore, haha. Our great Lee Kuan Yew says there is the big fish, small fish, and we are scrimps size, to be eaten.
Why Vietnam letting Indonesia blow up their fishing boats without response? No protest.

 

[Viet]

Not sure if Vietnam need India. Look how they abandon Mongolia when help is really needed. Also careful not to offend them, even if inadvertent, look at what happened to the Snapchat CEO. Singapore rely on the US to bring balance to the region. Of course big brother not too happy with Singapore, haha. Our great Lee Kuan Yew says there is the big fish, small fish, and we are scrimps size, to be eaten.
Why Vietnam letting Indonesia blow up their fishing boats without response? No protest.

Lee Kuan Yew is a wise man without any doubt. I made the first visit to Singapore 20 years ago. my first impression is WOW! Great country! I have seen many countries in the world, from East to West, but I have never seen such a modern, clean, secure, prosperous city state like Singapore. every detail is perfect. nice people, nice food, nice weather. Vietnam can learn a lot from Singapore.

but in defence matter, we go our own way. there is no such big fish eating small fish in our eyes. we will fight until the bitter end and go down if the heaven has chosen so

Mongolia?

Vietnam illegal fishing is a thing I myself feel annoyed. I hope such sadness disappears in time.

 

[sinait]

Lee Kuan Yew is a wise man without any doubt. I made the first visit to Singapore 20 years ago. my first impression is WOW! Great country! I have seen many countries in the world, from East to West, but I have never seen such a modern, clean, secure, prosperous city state like Singapore. every detail is perfect. nice people, nice food, nice weather. Vietnam can learn a lot from Singapore.

but in defence matter, we go our own way. there is no such big fish eating small fish in our eyes. we will fight until the bitter end and go down if the heaven has chosen so

Mongolia?

Vietnam illegal fishing is a thing I myself feel annoyed. I hope such sadness disappears in time.

No need to envy us. Its just unfortunate that your land has good location and attracted the French colonizers and later the US. If not for the reason that they became weakened by WW2, we may still be colonies. I think Vietnam has the requisites to be even better than Singapore. We were just like Vietnam 60 yrs ago though corruption is not that bad here. Singapore is too small and surrounded by jealous and unfriendly neighbors. We rather be in your position(without agent orange) and face China. Having Muslims all around you can be difficult.

but in defence matter, we go our own way. there is no such big fish eating small fish in our eyes. we will fight until the bitter end and go down if the heaven has chosen so

Hopefully not. Can have win win outcomes if willing to compromise.
And you were saying this " Chinese quality is a big topic among Vietnamese".

 

[Viet]

No need to envy us. Its just unfortunate that your land has good location and attracted the French colonizers and later the US. If not for the reason that they became weakened by WW2, we may still be colonies. I think Vietnam has the requisites to be even better than Singapore. We were just like Vietnam 60 yrs ago though corruption is not that bad here. Singapore is too small and surrounded by jealous and unfriendly neighbors. We rather be in your position(without agent orange) and face China. Having Muslims all around you can be difficult.

Hopefully not. Can have win win outcomes if willing to compromise.
And you were saying this " Chinese quality is a big topic among Vietnamese".

The problem with the Vietnamese people is, we are smart but very stubborn. Vietnam is a society that generally seeks harmony but never bows down to injustice and aggression. Take the revolution leader Ho. He could negotiate with the French to lead an united Vietnam into a French led world, but like many leaders before him, he chose the blood and tear solution. Hopeless.

 

[sinait]

The problem with the Vietnamese people is, we are smart but very stubborn. Vietnam is a society that generally seeks harmony but never bows down to injustice and aggression. Take the revolution leader Ho. He could negotiate with the French to lead an united Vietnam into a French led world, but like many leaders before him, he chose the blood and tear solution. Hopeless.

Maybe not stubborn, but pride. The desire to be independent is very strong. I think that is good in the long run but must be able to compromise whenever necessary. I think it is right to kick out the French. If the US didn't interfere, wonder what would have been the result.
(finally no more the New Recruit label)

 

[jhungary]

Elite Recon Battalion from the Capital Military District armed with XM177 rifle, i wonder where are those guns come from :v

Those were Airforce XM-177 (Model 610 to be precise) AF XM-177 have a standard flash hinder rather than a long flash hinder.

They are probably left over from the USAF transfer stock to South Vietnam Airforce, colt did not make de-modular M16 series rifle anymore. They have to be an old stock.

In fact, a lot of American collector are going after these as they are some of the Pre-Banned Automatic Rifle which can be legally own in the US, if Vietnamese Government ever try to get rid of these rifle, they can earn a lot of money selling to US Collector. But how you can import these rifle back to US is another problem