Vietnam Defence Forum

[Viet]

What happen to this helmet and digital camouflage?

this one perhaps?

 

[Silent Knight]

nice. since we are at it, I wonder if there are things in the pipeline you can reveal without getting an invitation to a cup of greentea?

we know the Navy negotiates for more two Gepard frigates, with weapon packages that make big impression at sea. little unclear about the fate of Sigma wheter will it come or not, despite a missile package was bought. is there any plan for more submarines? I believe 6 attack submarines is a good number but 12 would be an ideal number, considering our big neighbor has more submarines than our lighthouses at sea. the new Ba Son shipyard will become the biggest major naval shipyard, I guess?

According to several news outlets (but not the official People's Army Newspaper), the SIGMA deal was cancelled. However, according to a source of mine who is way up in the chain of command, the SIGMA 9814 did get scrapped and replaced by a bigger and more capable variant like the 10514. ETA would be 2 years tops. But do take my words with a grain of salt, I cannot confirm nor deny these rumors.

There will definitely be another submarine contract, as 6 subs cannot cover our needs in a modern warfare. The question is whether the Navy would get another batch of Kilo subs, or we would take Western ones like the German Type-214.

 

[Viet]

According to several news outlets (but not the official People's Army Newspaper), the SIGMA deal was cancelled. However, according to a source of mine who is way up in the chain of command, the SIGMA 9814 did get scrapped and replaced by a bigger and more capable variant like the 10514. ETA would be 2 years tops. But do take my words with a grain of salt, I cannot confirm nor deny these rumors.

There will definitely be another submarine contract, as 6 subs cannot cover our needs in a modern warfare. The question is whether the Navy would get another batch of Kilo subs, or we would take Western ones like the German Type-214.

I think if Sigma can't be realized then we should step up adding more Russia kilo class submarines. Adding German submarines would increase too much additional cost and complexity. Ideally we can build the next 6 Kilo subs in our shipyard. If the next generation of Kilo can be AIP, then it would be perfect. The Russians build Kilo subs for their Navy too, so the sub can't be too bad.

 

[TenLua]

Kevlar or SSh-40,SSh-68

A2

Excellent form. Getting better.

 

[Carlosa]

According to several news outlets (but not the official People's Army Newspaper), the SIGMA deal was cancelled. However, according to a source of mine who is way up in the chain of command, the SIGMA 9814 did get scrapped and replaced by a bigger and more capable variant like the 10514. ETA would be 2 years tops. But do take my words with a grain of salt, I cannot confirm nor deny these rumors.

There will definitely be another submarine contract, as 6 subs cannot cover our needs in a modern warfare. The question is whether the Navy would get another batch of Kilo subs, or we would take Western ones like the German Type-214.

Talking about subs, how about the Italian S-1000? There were a lot of negotiations on that.

Any chances for the new A-26 from Saab?

I think if Sigma can't be realized then we should step up adding more Russia kilo class submarines. Adding German submarines would increase too much additional cost and complexity. Ideally we can build the next 6 Kilo subs in our shipyard. If the next generation of Kilo can be AIP, then it would be perfect. The Russians build Kilo subs for their Navy too, so the sub can't be too bad.

A Kilo with the Sterling AIP under license from Sweden would be nice. A lot of logistical / training savings in that case. Another alternative to the AIP would be to use Lithium batteries as in the last Soryu sub, the Japanese ditched the AIP for the Lithium ion batteries.

Myself I don't like the German subs much.

 

[Viet]

Talking about subs, how about the Italian S-1000? There were a lot of negotiations on that.

Any chances for the new A-26 from Saab?



A Kilo with the Sterling AIP under license from Sweden would be nice. A lot of logistical / training savings in that case. Another alternative to the AIP would be to use Lithium batteries as in the last Soryu sub, the Japanese ditched the AIP for the Lithium ion batteries.

Myself I don't like the German subs much.

Provided Germany sells the sub, each Dolphins 2 class costs $600 millions, much more than a Kilo, but much less lethal. The Israeli like the Dolphins because the German government pays 1/3 of the cost and second, the sub is modified to fire nuclear missiles. I will love seeing the Dolphins in our Navy if Germany gives us with such incentives, too.

Still have to respect the tens of millions of Russians that died in that war defending their existence. The Soviet took the brunt of that war.

The Germans have paid the price for their aggression. Probably not all know it. After the defeat, a member of the US government made a plan how to reduce Germany to a poor and backward agra country forever. The german survivors could feel lucky that the iron curtain had fallen between the victors and so Germany was needed as a bulwark against USSR. Anyway the Russians took a big chunk of territory as war compensation.

 

[Carlosa]

Provided Germany sells the sub, each Dolphins 2 class costs $600 millions, much more than a Kilo, but much less lethal. The Israeli like the Dolphins because the German government pays 1/3 of the cost and second, the sub is modified to fire nuclear missiles. I will love seeing the Dolphins in our Navy if Germany gives us with such incentives, too.
.

Also another thing that I don't like about German subs is the AIP system, Its quite dangerous. If there is an accident, the sub is toasted.

 

[Viet]

Also another thing that I don't like about German subs is the AIP system, Its quite dangerous. If there is an accident, the sub is toasted.

You mean fuel cells aboard can burn through the sub body?

recently i found the use of PASGT type helmet in Vietnam armed forces is more common

Whatever but I believe our women have the best looking helmets

 

[Carlosa]

You mean fuel cells aboard can burn through the sub body?

Yes, big explosion.

 

[Viet]

Yes, big explosion.

Haven't heard any incident on submarine yet. Oxygen and hydrogen gas are separately stored in very safe tanks outside of pressure hull.

 

[Silent Knight]

When you're too lazy to walk to the beach.

 

[Carlosa]

Haven't heard any incident on submarine yet. Oxygen and hydrogen gas are separately stored in very safe tanks outside of pressure hull.

No accident yet, but that's the risk with that type of AIP, Its the most danger prone of all the AIP systems. The competitors of Germany keep talking about that.

Don't forget that although the Oxygen and hydrogen gas are separately stored, they do get combined together in the AIP generator and that's where the danger is.

 

[Viet]

U.S. Warships Make First Visit to Vietnam Base in Decades

John Boudreau svwriter

Chris Blake KissBlake
October 3, 2016 — 11:03 PM EDT Updated on October 4, 2016 — 4:43 AM EDT

The USS John McCain.


Photographer: Bullit Marquez/AP Photo

• U.S.-Vietnam ties have grown as China presses sea claims
• Cam Ranh Bay was hub of U.S. military activity in Vietnam War

Two American warships stopped in Vietnam’s Cam Ranh Bay this week for the first time since the two nations normalized relations 21 years ago, the U.S. Navy said on Tuesday.

Submarine tender USS Frank Cable and guided-missile destroyer USS John S. McCain made the visit on Oct. 2 as part of naval engagement activities between the U.S. and Vietnam, the navy said in a statement. Other military sealift ships have visited in the past, it said.

The visit is part of recent U.S. efforts to enhance naval ties with Vietnam as it seeks to counter China’s assertiveness over disputed territory in nearby waters. Beijing has reclaimed thousands of acres of land in the South China Sea and increased its military presence in recent years, raising concern from Vietnam and other claimants.

"It sort of speaks to the growing substance of this U.S.-Vietnam defense and security relationship," said Collin Koh, a research fellow at the S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies in Singapore who studies maritime security. "I think we have seen in more recent years that Vietnam is sliding more toward countries like Japan and the U.S. for obvious reasons that China has risen and grown more assertive."

The U.S. and Vietnam last week announced the start of its seventh annual naval engagement. The drills beginning in Danang will include maritime exercises focused on communications through the code for unplanned encounters at sea, and a search and rescue operation, according to a statement by the office of the U.S. Commander Logistics Group Western Pacific.

The visit comes as the U.S. faces uncertainty in its relationship with the Philippines, a longtime regional ally and also a party to the South China Sea dispute. New Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte has frequently called into question the future of the alliance, including a recent comment that joint maritime drills that kicked off Tuesday will be the last. He has indicated he is open to closer relations with China.

"We should not overlook the symbolic importance of this visit, especially at a time when U.S.-Philippine relations are coming under strain due to President Duterte’s anti-American and seemingly pro-China rhetoric," said Ian Storey, a senior fellow at the ISEAS-Yusof Ishak Institute in Singapore. "If the U.S.-Philippine alliance does start to unravel, America will want to expand its defense cooperation with Vietnam."

Cam Ranh Bay, located about 220 miles (354 kilometers) north of Ho Chi Minh City, has been of strategic significance to the world’s powers for more than 100 years. Built by the French in the 19th century and later occupied by Japan during World War II, Cam Ranh Bay was offered to the U.S. by its ally South Vietnam in 1965.

The U.S. upgraded the air and naval facilities for use in the war. It was handed back to South Vietnam in 1972 as part of the so-called Vietnamization effort and captured by the communist forces in 1975.

In 2012, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta became the highest-ranking American official to visit Cam Ranh Bay since the Vietnam War.

 

[Silent Knight]

The Su-30MK2V fleet took the spotlight for too long, now it's showtime for the Su-22s.

 

[Viet]

Welcome to the Bay!

for the first time since the end of Vietnam war, US warships are seen in the Bay of Cam ranh.

Guided Missile Destroyer USS John McCain

Submarine tender USS Frank Cable

and especially we greet Capt. H. B. Le, a Vietnamese ethnic, the Commodore of Destroyer Squadron 7 of US Pacific Command (USPACOM).