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Vietnam supporting Russian separatists or Ukraine?
No, as the article suggests the misiles parts were dispatched as part of Vietnam’s military technical cooperation program with Ukraine. No clue, why those parts were not sent direct to Ukraine but via Finland.

Just a basic, limited AWACS capability because of the SLAR radar (according to one source) of the C-212. but I was not able to find the range of that radar. I guess it can scan sideways in the air and water at a pretty good range, so that gives a certain early warning capability.

I would estimate that the radar has a detection range of probably 200-250 km for a fighter jet size target.

And also, since it is scanning from the top while flying high, it can detect low flying targets such as cruise missiles, etc from a good distance, something that ground radars cannot do and that radar has also a very high resolution so it can pick up sea skimming missiles with very good detail.
well, that sounds good to me. it is better then nothing.
 
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China remains the largest importer of Vietnamese products as most of Vietnam’s export staples have been shipped to nowhere other than its northern neighbor in the first six months of this year, local customs statistics reveal.

Vietnam posted US$71.11 billion exports in the year’s first half, a 15.3 percent increase from a year earlier, the Vietnam Customs said in a report released on July 18.

Imports stood at $69.60 billion, up 11 percent from the same period last year.

China is still the main market for most of Vietnam’s export staples, including rice, rubber, coal, computers, and electronic products and parts.

Vietnam exported nearly 3.3 million tons of rice in the first six months of the year, nearly 40 percent of which, or 1.3 million tons, were shipped to China.

Vietnamese rice exports to China were valued at $576 million, a 5.4 percent increase in volume and 8.9 percent increase in value, according to the Vietnam Customs figures.

The Southeast Asian country’s rubber shipments to China, meanwhile, stood at 139,000 tons, or $248 million. Even though these figures present a 23.6 percent decline in volume and 42.6 percent slump in value compared to the same period in 2013, China still accounted for 39.8 percent of the total rubber export turnovers of Vietnam in the Jan-Jun period.

Coal exports in the first six months nearly halved from a year earlier to only 4.6 million tons, but China still topped the list of importers, having imported 2.97 million tons, or 63.91 percent, from Vietnam.

China even surpassed the U.S. and Hong Kong to become the largest importer of electronic products and parts from Vietnam.

Exports of such commodities to China dropped 18.8 percent year on year to $926 million, accounting for 20.1 percent of the total turnovers.

The Jan-Jun shipments of Vietnamese-made footwear products to China, meanwhile, jumped 38.1 percent from a year earlier to $232 million, standing only behind the U.S., Japan and the EU.

China remains Vietnam’s largest importer in H1/2014
 
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Edison, you posted to wrong place. Another thread, instead of this
 
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4 Reasons China Removed Oil Rig HYSY-981 Sooner Than Planned
The reasons China withdrew oil rig HYSY-981 sooner than planned are complex but revealing about its intentions.

4 Reasons China Removed Oil Rig HYSY-981 Sooner Than Planned | The Diplomat

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By Carl Thayer
July 22, 2014

On July 15 China announced that its mega oil-drilling platform Hai Yang Shi You 981 had completed its commercial exploration operations and would be towed back to Hainan Island. China’s withdrawal of its drilling platform came a full month before its original deadline of August 15.

The HYSY-981 conducted its operations in disputed waters lying within Vietnam’s Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ). Vietnam responded by sending out Coast Guard and Fisheries Surveillance Force vessels to protest China’s breach of its sovereign jurisdiction. As a result of China’s decision to withdraw the HYSY-981, the physical confrontation at sea between Chinese and Vietnamese ships ended as quickly as it had started.

China’s July 15 announcement overshadowed news released on the same day that China had released thirteen Vietnamese fishermen that had been detained earlier.

These two developments point to a tactical shift in Chinese policy from confrontation at sea to diplomacy and political dialogue. The stage is now set for high-level talks between Beijing and Hanoi on how to repair their bilateral relations.

Cessation of Normal Commercial Operations

Chinese oil industry officials offered two explanations for the early cessation of commercial operations and the relocation of HYSY-981 to Hainan Island. According to the statement issued by the China National Petroleum Corporation, “the petroleum drilling and exploration operation of Zhongjiannan Project was smoothly completed on schedule on July 15th with the oil & gas shows found.” During the period the HYSY-981 was in operation, two exploratory wells were drilled.

Wu Shicun, president of China’s National Institute for South China Sea Studies (NISCSS), noted that the original schedule for the HYSY-981’s drilling operation was a conservative estimate that “reserved more time than actually needed.”

The China National Petroleum Corporation statement also noted that “a comprehensive assessment of hydrocarbon horizons is to be implemented based on the geological and analytical data collected through the drilling and exploration operation. Next phase arrangements are subject to the aforesaid comprehensive assessment.”

Prior to the drilling operations carried out by HYSY-981, the U.S. Energy Information Administration issued a report in 2013 that concluded that the area around the Paracel islands was unlikely to have significant potential for conventional hydrocarbons.

In May, Beijing-based diplomats reported that officials from the China National Offshore Oil Company privately confided that when initially requested to deploy the HYSY-981 drilling platform they declined, arguing that the exploration area in question was not a high priority as it was unlikely to contain significant hydrocarbon reserves.

Maritime security analysts with access to satellite imagery reported that in late May flaring from the HYSY-981 was observable, indicating that the drilling platform had discovered some hydrocarbons. These analysts also noted that about only ten percent of the hydrocarbon reserves would be recoverable for commercial use.

As a result of exploration activities Chinese analysts offered upbeat assessments of hydrocarbon reserves in the area west of the Paracels. Kang Lin, a researcher at China’s NISCSS, reported that a “good amount” of energy reserves with “huge commercial value” had been discovered.

Typhoon Rammasun and Safety First

A news report released by Xinhua on July 16 offered a second explanation. China withdrew the oil-drilling platform to avoid damage due to an impending typhoon. The news report cited Qiu Zhongjian, a geologist from the Chinese Academy of Engineering, as stating the drilling program for HYSY-981 took into account “geological hazards, engineering issues and possible typhoons.” The Xinhua report concluded, “for safety reasons, the test operation was not arranged immediately, because July is the beginning of the typhoon season.”

The initial announcement on the deployment of the drilling platform by Hainan Maritime Safety Administration stated, “South China Sea drilling work by M/V ‘Hai Yang Shi You 091’… [will be conducted from] from 02 May to 15 Aug…” It was widely assumed that the August 15 cut off date was related to the typhoon season. It also meant that China was avoiding an open-ended commitment.

In the second week of July meteorologists identified a brewing tropical storm heading for the Philippines. The storm quickly reached Category Three level and was named Typhoon Rammasun. The typhoon hit Luzon Island on July 15-16 before entering the South China Sea on a course headed for Hainan Island, southern China and northern Vietnam.

Analysts and commentators were divided over whether or not Typhoon Rammasun represented a threat to HYSY-981. Some analysts claimed that the drilling platform was constructed to withstand typhoons. But, as Sourabh Gupta of Samuels International has pointed out, “the rig had undergone repairs in 2013 and might not be able to withstand high-category typhoons during the typhoon season (July to September).”

What most commentators overlooked was that Typhoon Rammasun was a threat to the armada of over one hundred Chinese ships, vessels and boats providing protection to HYSY-981. Chinese officials obviously took the prudent decision to stand down operations. The HYSY-981 was towed back to the vicinity of Hainan Island and the opposing maritime forces dispersed to seek the safety of nearby anchorages and ports.

U.S. Political and Diplomatic Pressure

As soon as China announced its decision to withdraw its drilling platform, speculation arose as to whether or not other factors – such as geopolitics – might have influenced this decision. Bonnie Glasser, a China analyst at the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), was quoted in The New York Times as stating that she did not “rule out the possibility that the Chinese pulled out the rig as a face-saving way to defuse tensions with Vietnam.”

Other analysts pointed to pressure from the United States. They cited China-U.S. exchanges at the Strategic and Economic Dialogue held in Beijing from July 9-10, a Senate resolution (S. RES.412) adopted on July 10 calling on China to withdraw the oil drilling rig and accompanying ships, a call for a “freeze” in China’s provocative actions by Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Michael Fuchs at the fourth CSIS conference on the South China Sea on July 11, and a telephone conversation between President Barack Obama and Xi Jinping (July 14) in which Obama called for the constructive management of differences.

Hong Lei, the official spokesperson for China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, was quick to dismiss the influence of outside factors. Hong stated that the withdrawal of HYSY-981 was because it completed its drilling program early and “it has nothing to do with any external factor.” Wu Shicun, in speaking to the Global Times, argued, “the early conclusion of the oil rig operation has no connection with U.S. influence.”

Prevent Vietnam’s Escape from China’s Orbit

New information has emerged that a fourth factor may explain the early cessation of exploration activities by HYSY-981. Beijing withdrew its drilling platform early in order to prevent relations with Hanoi from worsening to such an extent that Vietnam not only took legal action against China but also aligned itself more closely with the United States.

Immediately after the oil rig crisis broke out, Vietnam’s leaders adopted a conciliatory diplomatic posture. Vietnam immediately requested the activation of the hot line between senior leaders. When this was declined, Vietnam offered to send a special envoy and then pressed for a visit by its party secretary general.

According to Minister of National Defense General Phung Quang Thanh, in answer to a question at the Shangri-La Dialogue, Vietnam made thirty or more efforts to initiate discussions with China but, as of May 31, Beijing had yet to reply to any of them.

The Vietnam Communist Party’s Central Committee convened its long scheduled ninth plenary session from May 8-14. A heated debate erupted about how Vietnam should respond to China’s challenge to Vietnamese sovereignty. The final communiqué issued after the plenum gave the impression that “it was business as usual” and gave no hint of internal party disagreements over South China Sea policy.

While the Central Committee was in session peaceful anti-China protests took place in Hanoi, Ho Chi Minh City and other urban areas on May 11. Anti-China protests by Vietnamese workers in Binh Duong, Dong Nai and Ha Tinh provinces turned violent on May 13-14. Relations with China plummeted after workers set fire to Chinese and other foreign-owned factories. China promptly organized ships to evacuate its nationals.

After the ninth plenum, and in the face of Chinese diplomatic stonewalling, pressure continued to build up within Vietnamese society and the party to take legal action against China. Prime Minister Dung became the most public advocate of this action but stated that timing was crucial. Defense Minister Phung Quang Thanh went on record at the Shangri-La Dialogue that legal action was “a last resort.”

Nguyen Manh Hung, a Vietnam specialist, noted that a groundswell of opinion in Vietnam had begun to demand an escape from China’s orbit or “thoát Trung” in Vietnamese. In other words, public opinion was turning in favor of alignment with the United States.

On May 21, Foreign Minister Pham Binh Minh took the unprecedented step of telephoning Secretary of State John Kerry to discuss tensions in the South China Sea. Minh also offered to coordinate with the U.S. in implementing concrete measures to further develop the comprehensive partnership between the two countries. Secretary Kerry invited Minh to Washington for full consultations.

Vietnam deferred Minh’s trip to Washington pending the outcome of the visit by China’s State Councillor Yang Jiechi. Vietnamese officials told this author that Minh’s immediate dispatch to the United States was “too sensitive” at this time.

On June 18 Councillor Yang arrived in Hanoi to attend the long-scheduled annual meeting of the Vietnam-China Joint Steering Committee for Bilateral Cooperation. This committee has oversight of the entire range of Sino-Vietnamese bilateral relations.

The discussions between Yang and his Vietnamese counterpart, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs Pham Binh Minh, were not strictly convened to discuss South China Sea issues; but it is clear the oil rig crisis dominated talks. In private remarks Yang strongly advised Vietnam not to take legal action against China in the interest of repairing bilateral relations.

Yang also held meetings with Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung and party Secretary General Nguyen Phu Trong. The latter meeting was especially significant because it led to an informal understanding to find a mutually acceptable way out of the current impasse. In order to clear the way for bilateral discussions both sides agreed to conduct follow up discussions by party officials responsible for external affairs.

While Chinese and Vietnamese party foreign affairs specialists began sounding each other out, Vietnamese party leaders agreed to convene a meeting of the Central Committee specifically to focus on the South China Sea dispute and the proposal to initiate legal action against China. Given the ground swell of anti-China opinion in the party and society at large “to break out of China’s orbit,” it appeared likely that the Central Committee would not only approve legal action against China but also approve steps to align more closely with the United States. Foreign Minister Minh’s trip was approved and he is scheduled to visit Washington in September.

It was in this context that China decided to announce the early withdrawal of HYSY-981 from contested waters. According to retired General Nguyen Trong Vinh (xuandienhannom blog, July 16), China deliberately withdrew the oilrig to influence the outcome of the forthcoming Vietnamese party plenum. The coincidence of Typhoon Rammasun provided the pretext. If Chinese officials were concerned about the safety of HYSY-981 they should have left it in place rather than tow it towards Hainan Island where Typhoon Rammasun was headed.

China’s actions in withdrawing its oil drilling platform and protective armada should strengthen the hands of the “pro-China” or accommodationist faction with the Vietnam Communist Party. Vietnamese party conservatives generally have shown themselves to be risk adverse and cautious. China’s gambit is a gift to those who believe relations with Vietnam’s neighbour to the north can be managed best through party-to-party ties.

Other members of the party view national interests as more important than socialist ideology. They view Vietnam’s hierarchy of foreign relationships that puts China on the top as a “comprehensive strategic cooperative partner” as in tatters. They note that the United States, a mere “comprehensive partner” has done more to support Vietnam’s sovereignty than Russia, listed second in the hierarchy as a comprehensive strategic partner.

Vietnamese leaders now face some tough decisions. If they drop their legal case against China and hold back on stepping up defence and security cooperation with the United States, what assurance will they have that Chinese oil exploration ships and platforms will not return in the future? If Vietnam decides to go ahead with its legal case, what sanctions can they expect China to impose in return?

China’s actions in defusing tensions and turning from maritime confrontation to diplomacy should take the sting out of U.S. efforts to push strongly for adherence to the rule of international law at the forthcoming ministerial meeting of the ASEAN Regional Forum in August. It is also likely that China’s shift in tack will be welcomed among ASEAN members who are both anxious about China’s recent aggressive assertiveness and loathe to confront China directly.
 
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China's Big Course Correction in the South China Sea?

Ted Galen Carpenter / The National Interest

July 25, 2014

East Asia, there are recent indications that Beijing may be adopting more conciliatory policies. China has unexpectedly removed a controversial oil-drilling rig that it had deployed in waters near Vietnam. In late June, Chinese president Xi Jinping conducted a high-profile summit meeting with South Korean president Park Geun-hye, seeking to improve relations with that country following last year’s tensions over Beijing’s proclamation of a new air-defense identification zone (ADIZ) in the East China Sea. Even the tone of China’s boilerplate warnings to the United States to stay out of the territorial disputes in the South China Sea has become somewhat more muted. Instead of shrill accusations of U.S. meddling, Chinese officials now urge Washington to be “fair” in its assessment of the issues at stake.

It is possible that the emergence of a more conciliatory stance may only be a temporary, purely tactical shift. But there is also a more encouraging alternative explanation. Beijing may finally have realized that it overreached in pressing its claims in the region, and that its behavior was provoking its neighbors to become more receptive to a U.S.-orchestrated containment policy directed against China. Given its own multitude of geostrategic headaches elsewhere in the world, Washington should at least explore whether a serious rapprochement with China can be pursued.

There is certainly enough evidence of rising anger among East Asian countries regarding China’s conduct over the past three or four years, and only the most obtuse Chinese officials could be unaware of the warning signs. The most obvious, and from Beijing’s standpoint, the most worrisome, development has been Japan’s growing assertiveness on security issues. Tokyo’s “reinterpretation” of Article 9 of the Japanese constitution to allow the country’s participation in collective-defense measures is a watershed event, but there have been other, more subtle changes. In June, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe stated that his government would support Vietnam and other nations that have territorial disputes with China. A few months earlier, Japan had joined with the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) to explore efforts to better secure navigation rights—a clear slap at China’s expansive territorial claims in the South China Sea.

Japan’s new approach clearly envisions a growing array of security partnerships. Tokyo and Canberra negotiated a deal to sell Japanese submarine technology to Australia. Likewise, Japan let it be known that it would consider providing naval patrol vessels to Vietnam, although because of Tokyo’s own tensions with China, the transfer might require some time. Security relations between Japan and India are at a point where respected scholars are now speaking of the possible emergence of a Japanese-Indian alliance.

But Beijing’s worries are not confined to Tokyo’s expanding initiatives in the security arena. China’s smaller neighbors are reacting to what they see as China’s increasingly aggressive behavior. Vietnam and the Philippines have noticeably increased their diplomatic and military cooperation. South Korea agreed to transfer a naval vessel to the Philippines navy in late June. Indonesia is shifting more of its military focus to deal with contingencies in Southeast Asia, implicitly because of growing concerns about China’s ambitions. Despite the extensive and mutually beneficial bilateral economic ties, Australia issued a pointed warning to China that its actions in the South China Sea were unhelpful and provocative. Shortly thereafter, Canberra agreed to a $11.6 billion purchase of 58 F-35 fighters from the United States—a major upgrade of the country’s air force.

It would not be surprising if more astute Chinese officials became alarmed at the surge of anti-China measures among its neighbors. Beijing’s abrasive behavior had reached the point of creating a self-fulfilling prophecy: widespread support for a policy led by the United States and Japan to contain China’s power in the region. Prudence would dictate a course correction and the adoption of a more conciliatory, circumspect approach on Beijing’s part.

That move also creates an opportunity for the United States to dampen the growing animosity in Sino-American relations and to help reduce overall tensions in East Asia. Such a prospect should be sufficient incentive by itself to prod U.S. officials to explore whether China’s recent, more accommodating behavior is genuine. But there are additional incentives. Washington’s geopolitical plate is overflowing with problems and crises, including the chaotic violence in Syria, Iraq, Libya and Ukraine, as well as the drug war-induced turmoil in Mexico and Central America. Especially alarming is that the relationship with Vladimir Putin’s Russia has deteriorated to the point that it is approaching Cold War-era levels.

Washington needs better relations with China so that U.S. officials have more latitude to address the multitude of other problems. It is especially important that the United States not end up in crisis mode with Moscow and Beijing simultaneously. Circumstances now dictate that a rapprochement with an apparently chastened China be explored in the most serious manner.

Ted Galen Carpenter, a senior fellow at the Cato Institute and a contributing editor at The National Interest, is the author of nine books and more than 550 articles and policy studies on international affairs.
 
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Did China Blink in the South China Sea?
Alexander Vuving, July 27, 2014 The National Interest
Very good article, please read, it reveals very interesting new information.


Did China Blink in the South China Sea? | The National Interest
Yes, China blinks indeed due to our strong reaction, plus because of the supports we received from America and Japan. The latter scrapped the peaceful constitution during the confrontation around the deployment of the oil rig. Shinzo Abe cited Chinese action as one of the major reasons why his country needs to re-arm.

But Chinese will come again, I am sure, with more oil rigs, more warships and patrol boats. We should prepare today for the next confrontation. It is a long term strategic game. With no end in sight. Too much is at stake.

I am a bit angry because of our current weakness of our navy and airforce. the government should do more here.

What is your opinion?
 
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Vietnam has been pro-China ... China know that and don't want to push more, a little more push would lead to the escape of Vietnam from China orbital ... to USA ...

Let's guess some effects after the escape ...

Vietnam allow access of US warships to Cam Ranh base, or Da Nang ...
So far, only non-combatant ships could call port ...
The joint-training, exercise in Vietnam between Vietnam and US Marine Corp ; Vietnam and Indian Army ...

Naval joint-exercised in Vietnam East Sea ( Phil West Sea )... Vietnam - Japan - Phillipines - US ...

Joint patrol of Vietnam - Phillipines navies ... more sport exchange ..

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Yes, China blinks indeed due to our strong reaction, plus because of the supports we received from America and Japan. The latter scrapped the peaceful constitution during the confrontation around the deployment of the oil rig. Shinzo Abe cited Chinese action as one of the major reasons why his country needs to re-arm.

But Chinese will come again, I am sure, with more oil rigs, more warships and patrol boats. We should prepare today for the next confrontation. It is a long term strategic game. With no end in sight. Too much is at stake.

I am a bit angry because of our current weakness of our navy and airforce. the government should do more here.

What is your opinion?

I totally agree with you. I've been wondering actually if the reason why the slow rearming of the navy and air force could be political since as we all know, there is a pro china faction in the Vietnamese government that gives priority to good relations with the brotherly comrades in the north and they might see the rearming as "offensive" to their northern comrades. I don't know, but sometimes I wonder about that. China has shown their intentions very clearly since at least 1988, that was 26 years ago, a lot can be done in 26 years, but little was done.

Granted that Russia takes 5 years to build a ship, which is very long, but still........ everything get done in little pieces, little by little, very slowly, they took 3 years to negotiate to buy the Sigma ships. I know VN has limited resources, but the money is there, its a matter of priorities, the government waste billions of dollars every year in unneeded projects.

If things were not clear enough before, they are certainly clear now, I'm waiting to hear the announcements about arms purchases, we'll see..........

Vietnam has been pro-China ... China know that and don't want to push more, a little more push would lead to the escape of Vietnam from China orbital ... to USA ...

Let's guess some effects after the escape ...

Vietnam allow access of US warships to Cam Ranh base, or Da Nang ...
So far, only non-combatant ships could call port ...
The joint-training, exercise in Vietnam between Vietnam and US Marine Corp ; Vietnam and Indian Army ...

Naval joint-exercised in Vietnam East Sea ( Phil West Sea )... Vietnam - Japan - Phillipines - US ...

Joint patrol of Vietnam - Phillipines navies ... more sport exchange ..

I think what Vietnam is hoping for is to get a defense treaty with USA, like what the Philippines have, but it will be conditions for that, which they might not agree to, we'll see.......
 
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I totally agree with you. I've been wondering actually if the reason why the slow rearming of the navy and air force could be political since as we all know, there is a pro china faction in the Vietnamese government that gives priority to good relations with the brotherly comrades in the north and they might see the rearming as "offensive" to their northern comrades. I don't know, but sometimes I wonder about that. China has shown their intentions very clearly since at least 1988, that was 26 years ago, a lot can be done in 26 years, but little was done.

Granted that Russia takes 5 years to build a ship, which is very long, but still........ everything get done in little pieces, little by little, very slowly, they took 3 years to negotiate to buy the Sigma ships. I know VN has limited resources, but the money is there, its a matter of priorities, the government waste billions of dollars every year in unneeded projects.

If things were not clear enough before, they are certainly clear now, I'm waiting to hear the announcements about arms purchases, we'll see..........



I think what Vietnam is hoping for is to get a defense treaty with USA, like what the Philippines have, but it will be conditions for that, which they might not agree to, we'll see.......
If history is a guide, we can only achieve a good deal with the Chinese if we are in a position of strength.
Neglecting the army is a dead sin.
 
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Vietnam buckles under Chinese pressure
By Zachary Abuza / Asis Times Online

Very good article revealing the decision making of the Vietnamese government behind the lines. This is not something that I like to read. If this is true, then it seems that the pro chinese faction is in control and that they have not learned anything from the latest events. Very disappointing !!!!!!! Opinions please!

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/SEA-01-290714.html
 
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Vietnam buckles under Chinese pressure
By Zachary Abuza / Asis Times Online

Very good article revealing the decision making of the Vietnamese government behind the lines. This is not something that I like to read. If this is true, then it seems that the pro chinese faction is in control and that they have not learned anything from the latest events. Very disappointing !!!!!!! Opinions please!

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/SEA-01-290714.html
That is a risky strategy indeed.
 
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