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Mobile phone movie shows that militant influence is spreading deeper into Pakistan

* Declan Walsh, Islamabad
* guardian.co.uk, Thursday 2 April 2009 17.17 BST
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WARNING: The video in the source link contains disturbing content

A video showing a teenage girl being flogged by Taliban fighters has emerged from the Swat Valley in Pakistan, offering a shocking glimpse of militant brutality in the once-peaceful district, and a sign of Taliban influence spreading deeper into the country.

The two-minute video, shot using a mobile phone, shows a burka-clad woman face down on the ground. Two men hold her arms and feet while a third, a black-turbaned fighter with a flowing beard, whips her repeatedly.

"Please stop it," she begs, alternately whimpering or screaming in pain with each blow to the backside. "Either kill me or stop it now."

A crowd of men stands by, watching silently. Off camera a voice issues instructions. "Hold her legs tightly," he says as she squirms and yelps.

After 34 lashes the punishment stops and the wailing woman is led into a stone building, trailed by a Kalashnikov-carrying militant.

Reached by phone, Taliban spokesman Muslim Khan claimed responsibility for the flogging. "She came out of her house with another guy who was not her husband, so we must punish her. There are boundaries you cannot cross," he said. He defended the Taliban's right to thrash women shoppers who were inappropriately dressed, saying it was permitted under Islamic law.

The Guardian received the video through Samar Minallah, a Pashtun documentary maker and anthropologist who lived in Swat for two years in the late 1990s. It has been passed between Swat residents by mobile phones.

Ms Minallah said the punishment had been inflicted within the last 10 days, following the signing of a controversial peace deal under which the provincial government ceded control of the valley's judicial system to the militants.

"This video is being widely circulated because the Taliban want people to see it. They want to give the message that this is taking place after the peace deal because this is something they ideologically believe in," she said.

Local sources including journalists and human rights workers, some of whom declined to be identified, confirmed the video was recent, although estimates of its timing varied between one and three weeks ago. The Taliban spokesman said it predated the peace deal.

Sher Muhammad Khan, an official in Swat with the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, said: "They have committed so many atrocities since the peace deal. They have taken entire control of the district. There is nobody to control them; they decide disputes according to their whims."

Since the 15 February deal, a hybrid of traditional and Islamic law has been operational in Mingora, the largest city in Swat district. The qazi courts, as they are known, are not operated by the Taliban but by a related political movement. They have a murky legal status because the changes have yet to be signed into law.

Floggings and other physical punishments have not been imposed in Mingora, where some residents have praised the system's efficiency. However, in outlying districts, where government writ has been entirely crushed, a crude form of gun justice prevails.

The woman in the video, named as Chaand and believed to be aged 17, was punished in Matta, a district further up the Swat Valley.

Minallah and other sources said the girl was punished on suspicion of having had an illicit relationship with a married man. She did not receive a trial. "The whole case is based on the suspicions of one neighbour," said Minallah.

The woman's brother is among the men pinning her down, she added. "It's symbolic that he does it with his own hands. It gives him honour in local society, that he has done it for the sake of religion."

The Swat Valley is controlled by Maulana Fazlullah, a charismatic preacher who initially gained popularity through radio broadcasts, then seized control through gun battles, suicide attacks and intimidation of the local population.

Since the peace deal, women have been beaten for shopping unaccompanied in Mingora's main market and dozens of girls' schools remain closed, many of them bombed.

Fazlullah has sworn loyalty to Baitullah Mehsud, the overall Taliban leader from South Waziristan who claimed responsibility for last Monday's eight-hour assault on a police centre in Lahore and has vowed to mount attacks in Washington.

On Wednesday a presumed American drone fired rockets at a compound controlled by his network, killing at least 14 people.

The effective surrender of government authority in Swat has caused great alarm across Pakistan and among western allies.Minallah said she feared Talibanisation would spread across Pakistan. "I have distributed this video because I feel people are in denial. They don't want to believe what is happening."

Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/02/taliban-pakistan-justice-women-flogging
 
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I can hardly contain myself, and cannot express in words the deapth of sentiment, and emotion welling inside of me.

This dispicable act confuses me, confounds me, abhors me, shakes the whole of my being.

It is an abomination, I cannot describe the loathing I have for these people who are trampling upon the rights of my brethren, and sullying the name of my religion.

It makes me want to rant and rave, to use expletives that I am not wont to.

Aye Allah, tu In badbakhton ko Hidayat day, Ya in ki Gardan torr.
 
Spot on brother DarkStar. These brutal savages need to be brought to justice. What does this flogging have to do with Islam, I wonder? What impact will this barbarity have on ordinary world citizens? How will the GoP react to this incident since they chose to make a deal with these inhuman beings? All questions that will most probably remain unanswered. It also turns out that the residents of Matta accused the commander of ordering the beating to get revenge after the girl refused to accept his proposal of marriage.
 
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The people who must be stoned, are Baitullah Mehsud and his henchmen, and these bandits these despicable low lives parading around as the "Mujahideen" these people are no Mujahideen at all.

There justice system is completely unjust, little evidence is used in indictments, and little fairness or equality. There tactics are unjust...


Seriously why has the Pakistani Army not have a strong grip on Swat Valley, this could have been prevented if Pakistani army had sworn to do what it always said it would do, to uphold the Quran, and to protect the Nation from enemies both foreign and domestic.

There are other incidents of such barbarity before in the country, like Baluchistan, and also bombings of the schools and public infrastructure.

I understand the Politicians are no good, the hell with them, but it is our Army we rely on. Our Army should do what they are trained to do, that is protect us!


P.S I know others will flame me for pinning some blame on the Pakistani Army, but I have thick skin, and I know what my intentions are.
 
On the other side, you think this video is bad, you should see how US troops and US mercenaries treat people in Abu Ghraib and at Baghram base in Afghanistan...

You know it could have been worse, yeah they are giving her a whipping and for some sensitive viewers that's a "OMG!!!"...But I'm just saying these "Taliban" or some of us who believe these are agents of foreign powers, as bad as their reputation is in the eyes of those who criticize them, things could have been much worse.

Compare to Abu Ghraib and Baghram base, this was not nearly as bad.


I maybe a bit off topic....

But here's something to think about!!!



This video of "Taliban" flogging a woman in Swat Valley was allowed to surface and be played on a major internet news online source and now circulate, and allowed to be shown to the public.


But in Abu Ghraib and Baghram we haven't even seen those videos! (not all of them, many of them are withheld even today) Even after years later, so imagine how terrible and horrendous those tapes must be! That we the public are not even allowed to have a glimpse, imagine the immense and total outrage. The Second those videos are seen you will see on the news ticker 300 US Soldiers dead in Iraq after a car bomb explosion.

Get what I'm saying here...Just trying to show you something from a different dimension.
 
who can people just see this event like a stage show.the hell with them this can be happen next time with there mother sister and daughter some 500 guys are more powerful then 5 lakh.

these shemale taliban beating a girl which can't defend her self its show they are wrost men on planet. may god destroy them.
 
Listen mate, I don't give a flying **** what happened in Abu Ghraib or Bagram, when such things are happening in my beautiful country.

These are supposed to be our own people, who are doing this to us. No difference of race, religion, caste, language here. What the sickos at Abu Ghraib did was inhuman, yet they did it to those they considered their enemies. These guys are supposed to uphold the Shariah? What a joke. If i didn't know better, I'd think someone is paying these criminals to pretend to be muslims, in order to villify our religion.

Pakistan is not supposed to be the land of such psychos. Pakistan is the only country in the muslim world where imams and ustads are free to preach whatever interpretation of islam they wish, where no friday sermons are written by govt. officials, where mosques are not closed after prayer times by official sanction.

These people do not appreciate what we have in Pakistan.
 
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It's too much.. It's eye watering.

It is against Islamic ghairah to punish a woman like this, without any trial, without any witness, without any appeal that she can make to a responsible person, like a Qazi, etc.

Where do we find precedence for this?

We have the example of the Prophet (saw) who when approached by a sinner wanting to confess her crime, turned his face away.

Islamic justice is not about peeking into people's private places, and looking for crimes to punish.

These are primitive savages, who are an affront to Islam.
 
Listen mate, I don't give a flying **** what happened in Abu Ghraib or Bagram, when such things are happening in my beautiful country.

Pakistan is not supposed to be the land of such psychos. Pakistan is the only country in the muslim world where imams and ustads are free to preach whatever interpretation of islam they wish, where no friday sermons are written by govt. officials, where mosques are not closed after prayer times by official sanction.

These people do not appreciate what we have in Pakistan.

This is plain cruelty and it has no place in any religion let alone Islam. I cannot understand how fast Pakistan is sliding into chaos. The Swat valley for instance never used to be like this. I've family living in Swat. A decade or so ago this place was peaceful and we never heard of such brutal incidents. The once peaceful and beautiful green lush valleys have been turned into a hell hole. Lesson is that we need one rule of law across Pakistan.
 
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Listen mate, I don't give a flying **** what happened in Abu Ghraib or Bagram, when such things are happening in my beautiful country.

Pakistan is not supposed to be the land of such psychos. Pakistan is the only country in the muslim world where imams and ustads are free to preach whatever interpretation of islam they wish, where no friday sermons are written by govt. officials, where mosques are not closed after prayer times by official sanction.

These people do not appreciate what we have in Pakistan.

"I don't give a flying **** what happened in Abu Ghraib or Bagram, when such things are happening in my beautiful country."

Yaar how can you say this, I don't understand why you would have such apathy for those who suffered there. I think maybe because you are not fully aware of what happened there, I can show you some footage that was leaked from Abu Ghraib, some testimonies, and the stories of those who suffered there...I think you will recant your words. Maybe, I shouldn't show you because you maybe become what these people fear "an extremist" or "Islamic militant" trust me the horrors in the prisons were that deep!


I understand you are upset about this situation DarkStar, I hope you cool down soon. Again I hope you read my first post in this thread, I think it is these people who parade around as the "Mujahideen" should be stoned, and PA should do what they swore to do...

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Back to the thread topic

One thing I noticed is the guys do the flogging did this in public, in plain view. They apparently even allowed cell phone cameras to record the punishment. So at least we are aware of what is going on now, and PA should take further action there.


Also if you guys are so upset about this, didn't Pakistani Government allow Shariah law in Swat Valley...Technically if it is allowed, than many scholars would argue flogging is not an illegal punishment. But obviously as we know you cannot flog for minor reasons and knowing the unfair, bias, illegitimate form of judiciary these "militants" have, they have no right to be enforcing the divine Shariah.
 
This makes me sick i'd l wanna see one day fazlullah get a dose of his own barbaric taliban justice i'd love to watch him being held down and whipped and beaten by the local women he's terrorized .
 
^^ @A1Kaid This isn't Sharia law. This is a mockery of Sharia law. Sharia doesn't allow the flogging of women and girls. Also, like I've said, it turns out that the residents of Matta accused the commander of ordering the beating to get revenge after the girl refused to accept his proposal of marriage. The Mullah had the girl lashed because he didn't get to marry her. Also, at the end of the clip the Taliban refer the brother holding his sister down as a pimp and to take his sister inside. This is how these Taliban scum socialize with each other.
 
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