USAF Pilot Rick Scheff debunking IAF claim of dodging five AIM-120C-5

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Indians have been getting bodied all over the world media


https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...strike-shows-how-hard-precision-bombing-49397

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Until 27 Feb 2019 Su-30MKI was Master of skies in Asia,a single would have been able to destroy a Division of PA tanks,A Sq of F-16 and would have been able to sink whole of PN.That were fantasies of PDF and Internet Bhartis.
After 27 Feb 2019
Their PM openly said,If Rafale would have been here story would have been different,so Su-30MKI in nutshell proved itself a piece of Junk according to Indians.

P.S Su 30MKI is a great platform.

Its a political statement and it has been very well sold by Modi, even at the expense of IAF. The Sanghis are blaming Congress for IAF's failure now.

 

[ZAC1]

Until 27 Feb 2019 Su-30MKI was Master of skies in Asia,a single would have been able to destroy a Division of PA tanks,A Sq of F-16 and would have been able to sink whole of PN.That were fantasies of PDF and Internet Bhartis.
After 27 Feb 2019
Their PM openly said,If Rafale would have been here story would have been different,so Su-30MKI in nutshell proved itself a piece of Junk according to Indians.

P.S Su 30MKI is a great platform.

Su 30 is a good jetfighter...but indians proved it junk.u may say this

 

[tarrar]

For all I know is India is lying at a mass scale & they are still continuing to lie till date.

 

[monitor]

I was browsing the Quora and i stumble upon this piece of answer from an USAF pilot on the India claims of spoofing 5 AIM-120C-5. So i thought i had to share it with you guys.



How bad is the news that a single Sukhoi-30 has successfully dodged four or five AIM-120C-5 BVRAAMs, for the USAF and NATO?


Rick Scheff
Answered Mar 11



That article is complete nonsense.

Firstly, AMRAAMs miss all the time for plenty of reasons. Sometimes it’s simply pilot error. I’ve shot plenty of missiles in training that would not have hit due to my own buffoonery, and it had nothing to do with enemy capabilities.

Secondly, it’s very common to shoot missiles that were never intended to hit. Take an example of defending something on the ground (which was exactly what was going on here). I might say “hey, if the bad guy gets within X miles I’m going to shoot.” Now, if that bad guy keeps flying straight ahead he’ll die, but if he says “oh, hey, someone shot at me” and turns around the missile will miss. Additionally the bad guy won’t bomb his target, his mission will be a loss, mine will be a win, and that’ll be fine. I suppose that bad guy could turn around and say “I dodged an AMRAAM” but that’s pretty stupid.

Lastly, that article says

“Indian Su-30MKI deployed a combination of Jammers, Flares and Superior maneuverability of the aircraft to outclass the chasing missiles in a matter of few seconds of them begin fired by F-16.”

Flares are an infrared countermeasure. AMRAAMs are radar missiles. If someone tells you they defeated an AIM-120 with a flare they’re just stupid. As far as jammers and maneuverability that makes no sense. If you actually jam the missiles “in a matter of few seconds of them begin fired” then you don’t need to maneuver, they just won’t guide. If you need to maneuver then you probably aren’t jamming effectively, so this entire sentence is idiotic.

1- The article specifically says

“jam their radar lock making them from a guided missile to unguided rocket which not only lost its target but also crashed without taking out any target”

and

“was also successful in making them a dud rocket by active jamming in the air”

in which case maneuvers should be irrelevant.

2- I have no idea what you’re getting at with the flare thing. I train to active missile defense on a daily basis and flares have no bearing on radar missiles.

If what you’re trying to say is “they flared because they didn’t know if it was an active missile or an IR missile” then fine, but in that case claiming that flares were used to “outclass the chasing missiles” is stupid. Just say “we wasted some flares because we don’t know what we’re doing.”

Bottom line: whoever wrote that is at best a complete moron, and at worst just nakedly dishonest.



Answer:
https://qr.ae/TW1F8j

There is more stuff in the comment section of Quora if you want to check it ouy.

Out of anger Indians have collapsed the answer by doing the spam reports lol

What is prove he is ex US pilo anybody can claim anything ?

 

[ziaulislam]

I was browsing the Quora and i stumble upon this piece of answer from an USAF pilot on the India claims of spoofing 5 AIM-120C-5. So i thought i had to share it with you guys.



How bad is the news that a single Sukhoi-30 has successfully dodged four or five AIM-120C-5 BVRAAMs, for the USAF and NATO?


Rick Scheff
Answered Mar 11



That article is complete nonsense.

Firstly, AMRAAMs miss all the time for plenty of reasons. Sometimes it’s simply pilot error. I’ve shot plenty of missiles in training that would not have hit due to my own buffoonery, and it had nothing to do with enemy capabilities.

Secondly, it’s very common to shoot missiles that were never intended to hit. Take an example of defending something on the ground (which was exactly what was going on here). I might say “hey, if the bad guy gets within X miles I’m going to shoot.” Now, if that bad guy keeps flying straight ahead he’ll die, but if he says “oh, hey, someone shot at me” and turns around the missile will miss. Additionally the bad guy won’t bomb his target, his mission will be a loss, mine will be a win, and that’ll be fine. I suppose that bad guy could turn around and say “I dodged an AMRAAM” but that’s pretty stupid.

Lastly, that article says

“Indian Su-30MKI deployed a combination of Jammers, Flares and Superior maneuverability of the aircraft to outclass the chasing missiles in a matter of few seconds of them begin fired by F-16.”

Flares are an infrared countermeasure. AMRAAMs are radar missiles. If someone tells you they defeated an AIM-120 with a flare they’re just stupid. As far as jammers and maneuverability that makes no sense. If you actually jam the missiles “in a matter of few seconds of them begin fired” then you don’t need to maneuver, they just won’t guide. If you need to maneuver then you probably aren’t jamming effectively, so this entire sentence is idiotic.

1- The article specifically says

“jam their radar lock making them from a guided missile to unguided rocket which not only lost its target but also crashed without taking out any target”

and

“was also successful in making them a dud rocket by active jamming in the air”

in which case maneuvers should be irrelevant.

2- I have no idea what you’re getting at with the flare thing. I train to active missile defense on a daily basis and flares have no bearing on radar missiles.

If what you’re trying to say is “they flared because they didn’t know if it was an active missile or an IR missile” then fine, but in that case claiming that flares were used to “outclass the chasing missiles” is stupid. Just say “we wasted some flares because we don’t know what we’re doing.”

Bottom line: whoever wrote that is at best a complete moron, and at worst just nakedly dishonest.



Answer:
https://qr.ae/TW1F8j

There is more stuff in the comment section of Quora if you want to check it ouy.

Out of anger Indians have collapsed the answer by doing the spam reports lol

It was actually vedic magic

What is prove he is ex US pilo anybody can claim anything ?

Does it matter
The article is written by a moron..anyone with IQ of 70+ & 15 min crash course on radars and BVR missles will know that

To me su 30 is junk fighter russian are way behind in electronics and radars..mirages (uograded ones) are the real threat

Of course in air to ground role, range and WVR su30 are dangerous and best in their class

No wonder why Chinese refused to use any russian avionics in their flankers

 

[LeGenD]

Only Indians and Russians are known to come up with this level of buffoonary, to cover their sorry @asses.

Good job, pilot...

What is prove he is ex US pilo anybody can claim anything ?

Questions in Quora do receive responses from true professionals including military officials at times.

Even I know for sure that flares cannot fool AMRAAM.

 

[M.AsfandYar]

Questions in Quora do receive responses from true professionals including military officials at times.

Even I know for sure that flares cannot fool AMRAAM.

And mostly Class A idiots. I myself am there but dont bother anymore.
Just saying...

 

[TsAr]

Flares are used for defense against IR missiles.Chaff is used for defense against radar guided missiles.

 

[Haroon Baloch]

IAF claims??...lol

http://idrw.org/single-sukhoi-30-su...120c-5-bvraams-is-bad-news-for-usaf-and-nato/

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https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...om-40-50-km/articleshow/68277222.cms?from=mdr

There is another link from India Times of the same article, from Quora to Indian Defense forums, Indians are using these sources left & right to prove that their narrative is right. This is one of the 100s articles that is going around.

 

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For all I know is India is lying at a mass scale & they are still continuing to lie till date.

Which is why no one outside India has bought their b.s. Even a an old hag like Christine Fair has distant herself from India on their claims.

Question is, who's standing by their side?