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Manufacturers must be flexible in their production chains and be able rebuild them in different places, Foxconn’s Terry Gou has said amid growing worries of a prolonged Sino-US trade war. Photo: Reuters


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Mark O'Neill
Dec 27, 2018 8:30am


The worsening Sino-US trade war is driving Taiwan firms out of mainland China. Fear of losing access to their most important export market, on top of already existing problems like soaring Chinese labor costs and tougher environmental controls, is forcing companies to move to Vietnam, Cambodia and other countries.

In the first 10 months of this year, Taiwan investment in China was US$6.94 billion and the figure for the whole year will be the lowest for more than seven years, about half the record US$14 billion of 2011.

The biggest Taiwan investor in China is Foxconn, which employs 1.3 million people there and is one of the country’s largest exporters. Its chairman Terry Gou said this month that the Sino-US trade war would be prolonged and would last for five-ten years. “Manufacturers must be flexible in their production chains and rebuild them in different places,” he said.

Taiwan companies are trapped in the middle of this war, because the largest export market for their factories in China is the United States. So goods made in China face the risk of rising tariffs during the period of the Trump administration, which could last a further six years.

The mainland is the largest destination for Taiwan overseas investment. There are 100,000 Taiwan companies there. A total of 405,000 Taiwan people worked in the mainland in 2017, according to official figures published last week. That was more than half of the total 736,000 Taiwanese working overseas. Unofficial estimates put the number of Taiwanese living in the mainland at more than one million.

The Chung Hua Institute for Economic Research said last Wednesday that 45.8 percent of Taiwan firms in China were considering relocating their investments, with the main destinations being ASEAN countries, Taiwan and the US.

Of the firms surveyed, 76 percent said that the Sino-US trade dispute was their top operational concern, ahead of foreign exchange fluctuations (56.3 percent), and raw material prices (51 percent).

The institute forecast Taiwan economic growth in 2019 at 2.18 percent, down from the expected 2.62 percent in 2018, in part because of the Sino-US dispute.

The first choice outside China for Taiwan firms is Vietnam. In 2019, a free-trade agreement between Vietnam and the European Union will come into effect, eliminating tariffs on 99 percent of goods traded between the two sides. Exports from Vietnam to Japan and the US face an average tariff of below four percent.

One firm which has already moved is Solen Electric, Asia’s largest producer of electromagnetic valves. It used to have a plant in Zhongshan, Guangdong. But, when major customer Canon moved to Vietnam in 2014, it closed the Zhongshan plant and set up in Vietnam. It also has factories in Taoyuan and Kaohsiung, in Taiwan.

The company said that, since the start of the trade war, its three plants had an increase in orders of 20 percent. To enter the US market, its Vietnam-made valves face a tariff of two percent and those made in Taiwan a tariff of four percent.

According to figures from the Vietnam government, total Taiwan investment in the country has reached US$30.9 billion, ranking fourth behind South Korea, Japan and Singapore. The two most important sites are the Pingyang Industrial Park in Ho Chi Minh City, with 1,763 Taiwan investors, and Hanoi, with about 300.

The Vietnamese government said that foreign investment in the first eight months of 2018 was US$11.3 billion, up nine percent year-on-year. Foxconn’s Gou has said that “Vietnam is the greatest winner from the Sino-US trade war.” Samsung has made Hanoi its biggest production base for mobile phones, accounting for half of its global output of this item.

At the start of December, a delegation of Taiwan companies from Dongguan visited the Pingyang Park. The 2,600 firms in Dongguan make up one of the largest group of Taiwan companies in China. For most, the US is the most important market; but a tariff of 25 percent wipes out their profit margin.

Wu Sheng-feng, one of the delegation members, said: “We cannot put our eggs all into one basket. With this Sino-US trade war, we have to set up factories in Vietnam or other countries.”


http://www.ejinsight.com/20181227-us-trade-war-prompts-taiwan-firms-in-china-to-look-elsewhere/
 
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100,000 Taiwanese companies operate in China. Most of them produce for exports with the major customer as the United States. Not for domestic consumption. How can they survive the incoming 25 percent tariffs hammer? Not to mention the West begins to impose economic sanctions on China.

I think 50,000 will relocate to Vietnam. The rest will go to India, Indonesia and Cambodia.

China can concentrate on making higher value products.

Win win

@Nilgiri @Indos @TaiShang
 
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everyone realize that CN will be in chaos in 2023 :cool:[/QU
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Ah, if not. You kneel down.

100,000 Taiwanese companies operate in China. Most of them produce for exports with the major customer as the United States. Not for domestic consumption. How can they survive the incoming 25 percent tariffs hammer? Not to mention the West begins to impose economic sanctions on China.

I think 50,000 will relocate to Vietnam. The rest will go to India, Indonesia and Cambodia.

China can concentrate on making higher value products.

Win win

@Nilgiri @Indos @TaiShang
Tell the truth. These Taiwan companies have long wanted to leave the mainland.

But not because of the trade war.
 
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Ah, if not. You kneel down.


Tell the truth. These Taiwan companies have long wanted to leave the mainland.

But not because of the trade war.

These guys thought the same about China in chaos in Deng's era, and then in chaos every year after that. So far their predictions are quite inaccurate proven already. He cannot kneel down any further. The shame is too strong and the need for white American cock in his mouth is too irresistible. So between blowing American cocks, he wetdreams about China in chaos 20xx... update every few years.

Although I do wish rest of Asia prosper and become wealthy. It will be good for all of us. Perhaps then, they will not be so angry and realise we asians are brothers with long suffering history but only now separated by the colonial empires. China under Communists barely touched them compared to the others. They quickly forget how the French raped them and then the Americans came in to "defend" them but murdered their relatives in brutal way while calling him a gook. This is now the team he picks.
 
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100,000 Taiwanese companies operate in China. Most of them produce for exports with the major customer as the United States. Not for domestic consumption. How can they survive the incoming 25 percent tariffs hammer? Not to mention the West begins to impose economic sanctions on China.

I think 50,000 will relocate to Vietnam. The rest will go to India, Indonesia and Cambodia.

China can concentrate on making higher value products.

Win win

@Nilgiri @Indos @TaiShang

I think they will wait until next US President come to power. This trade war policy has been seen as not really productive for the US economy. They will see whether this policy will be permanent or changed once Trump not in the office anymore.

Indonesia will be much more interesting for FDI after Jokowi economic policy stresses on building more infrastructure.
 
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I have started beliving in ur prophecy.
Caos is slowly creeping in ..i can identify that with more active 50cent army nowadays
Wait. China still hasn't collapsed?? I almost think China has collapsed... According to Western predictions 30 years ago.

I think they will wait until next US President come to power. This trade war policy has been seen as not really productive for the US economy. They will see whether this policy will be permanent or changed once Trump not in the office anymore.

Indonesia will be much more interesting for FDI after Jokowi economic policy stresses on building more infrastructure.
Yes, in fact, China's trade surplus with US has peaked recently.
 
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I have started beliving in ur prophecy.
Caos is slowly creeping in ..i can identify that with more active 50cent army nowadays
VN is the only country can defeat US till now, we simply know US too well and know clearly what she will do next. CN is easy target, PLA is corrupted and coward wt only stupid "human wave" tactic , so CN simply have Zero chance to win against US.:cool:
 
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VN is the only country can defeat US till now, we simply know US too well and know clearly what she will do next. CN is easy target, PLA is corrupted and coward wt only stupid "human wave" tactic, so CN simply have Zero chance to win against US.:cool:
Ah, yes, you beat US. use "made in Vietnam Weapons, Food, and Vietnamese Military Academy Graduates"
 
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I think they will wait until next US President come to power. This trade war policy has been seen as not really productive for the US economy. They will see whether this policy will be permanent or changed once Trump not in the office anymore.

Indonesia will be much more interesting for FDI after Jokowi economic policy stresses on building more infrastructure.
Next president? I won’t count on this. This trade war is a war of attrition, much like Vietnam war. It’s about who inflicts more casualties on other.
 
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100,000 Taiwanese companies operate in China. Most of them produce for exports with the major customer as the United States. Not for domestic consumption. How can they survive the incoming 25 percent tariffs hammer? Not to mention the West begins to impose economic sanctions on China.

I think 50,000 will relocate to Vietnam. The rest will go to India, Indonesia and Cambodia.

China can concentrate on making higher value products.

Win win

@Nilgiri @Indos @TaiShang

Was gonna tag @Viva_Viet :cool:, but there he is already below your post haha.
 
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China is Communist, any business wanting to "relocate" should be nationalized and their assets frozen and given to CN. China has yet to figure out what they are up against, the white nationalists neo-nazis and their zionist allies want China completely destroyed.
 
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Ah, yes, you beat US. use "made in Vietnam Weapons, Food, and Vietnamese Military Academy Graduates"
Why CN and VN join communist bloc ? Bcs Soviet commit to help communist brothers. Mao also used Soviet weapon,food and Soviet milirary academy graduates to defeat Chiang, too.

All CN weapon supported to VN were copied from Soviet weapon.Without Soviet, then it would be No CN today...ah ...CN still backstab Soviet anyway.

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What did the Soviet Union do to help? First, it provided the means of transportation that allowed for a speedy invasion. In late September 1949, Mao issued a desperate plea for assistance to Stalin: “the railroads in this region are poor, the conditions difficult, there are few people, and there is no food,” he wrote. “We acutely need and hope that you will help us with 30-50 transport aircraft to ship food, clothing, key personnel, and some of the troops.”

What if such assistance was not forthcoming? Mao warned that he would have to delay his invasion until March-April 1950. “This would be detrimental to the solution of the Xinjiang problem.” Stalin agreed. He volunteered the requested airplanes.

Second, the Soviet Union provided other supplies that were crucial to the PLA’s invasion. After Stalin loaned the aircraft, Mao asked for aviation fuel. “We are encountering great difficulty in this matter.” Once again, Stalin pledged his support.

Food was one of the most vexing problems for the Chinese armed forces. The PLA needed huge amounts of grain and other foodstuffs to feed its 90,000 men involved in the invasion, but it hesitated to requisition too much food from the local population in Xinjiang. Commander Peng Dehuai understood that it would be a public relations disaster—one that could spark local resistance—if the new Chinese army was perceived as an occupying force in Xinjiang. So, again, Mao asked his Soviet friends for help: this time, for 10,000 tons of grain. Stalin consented.


https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-p...hinese-communist-party-to-power-xinjiang-1949
 
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China is already G2 economically, the average Chinese have much much higher than before and our gov is putting more attention to environmental protection. Putting that into perspective, It's inevitable that some labor-intensive and high pollution industries leave China.
 
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