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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The battle Saturday in which eight U.S. troops were killed was so fierce that, at one point, U.S. forces had to fall back as attackers breached the perimeter of their base, a U.S. military official with knowledge of the latest intelligence reports on the incident said.


Forward Operating Base Keating, seen in 2007, is surrounded by tall ridge lines.

The new revelations about the battle that engulfed Forward Operating Base Keating in Kamdesh District are a further indication of how pinned down and outmanned the troops were at the remote outpost. The base, in an eastern Afghanistan valley, was surrounded by ridge lines where the insurgents were able to fire down at U.S. and Afghan troops.

The facility had been scheduled to be closed within days, CNN has learned. The closing is part of a wider effort by the top commander in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, to cede remote outposts and consolidate troops in more populated areas to better protect Afghan civilians. [wow , the american are volutarity cedeing territory to the insurgents and they have the cheek to point fingers at us!!]

The United States now believes that about 200 insurgents -- mostly local fighters, with some Taliban organizers and leaders [ they acknowledge themselves that the attackers were 'local' but still they blame Pakistan for it ] -- had been planning the attack for days, hiding mortars, rockets and heavy machine guns in the mountains. Sources said the Taliban may have been watching the troops make preparations to depart and launched their attack at a time of vulnerability.

The Taliban were able to use their higher positions to fire into the base, pinning down the troops. As the attack progressed, the troops were forced back when enemy fighters managed to breach the outer perimeter of the outpost, the source said.

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That led to especially intense fighting that continued until the U.S. troops could again secure the area, several sources said.

The battle erupted about 5 a.m. Saturday and lasted 12 hours, with the most intense fighting going on for about seven hours.

The United States was able to get air support overhead within half an hour of the attacked troops' call for help, but a series of problems hindered mounting any sustained counterattack. The source said smoke from a fire lit by the insurgents obscured vision on the ground and in the air, and the narrowness of the valley hobbled any intense close air support.

Instead, Apache helicopters went in waves of two to four, firing at the Taliban fighters. But return fire frequently forced the helicopters back. One Apache was hit.

It took hours to evacuate the dead and wounded. During much of the fight, medical-evacuation helicopters had a hard time getting in because the landing zone was under attack. Even when the helicopters were able to land, some of the wounded resisting leaving while the battle raged.


Eventually, the tide turned for the U.S. and Afghan troops. More than 100 militants were killed, according to NATO's International Security Assistance Force.

Remains of four of the U.S. dead were flown back to Dover Air Force Base on Tuesday morning

Afghan insurgents pushed into U.S. base, official says - CNN.com
 
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Have a look at the brilliance with which the following post was setup , right in the middle of two ridges!




If the american military personel are so stupid that they can not even choose a good location to set up a post then they have no one else to blame but themselves.

In Afghanistan ( or for that matter any hilly area ) you cannot expce to sit pretty in the middle of two ridges , the enemy will take your top off from the higher groud.

Pakistan cannot be blamed for the stupidities in planning and execution done by the US Military. At a minimim the US Militaty should look into whose bright idea was it to setup a post in this spot in the frst place before blowing hot and cold that its Pakistan's fault that their war efforts in Afghanistan are not going as they had hoped for.
 
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it was defiantly not the smartest place to have a base.
 
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Have a look at the brilliance with which the following post was setup , right in the middle of two ridges!


In Afghanistan ( or for that matter any hilly area ) you cannot expce to sit pretty in the middle of two ridges , the enemy will take your top off from the higher groud.


In principle yes, but i do wonder if people could post other options.
You have a choice of positions limited because the role of the base is to prevent hostilities between local tribes, ( yes i know the base should never have been there ) Its 3.5 hours by foot to the top of the ridges. Resupply on the ridge line would have been a nightmare so you set up base by the road with a water supply and then set up combat outposts on the ridge line.

Treat it as a logistics/deployment exercise and ignore the politics for a moment what could have been done better?
 
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In principle yes, but i do wonder if people could post other options.
You have a choice of positions limited because the role of the base is to prevent hostilities between local tribes, ( yes i know the base should never have been there ) Its 3.5 hours by foot to the top of the ridges. Resupply on the ridge line would have been a nightmare so you set up base by the road with a water supply and then set up combat outposts on the ridge line.

Treat it as a logistics/deployment exercise and ignore the politics for a moment what could have been done better?

The point still stands that when Pakistan Army cites the terrain difficulties in mounting its operations it is seen as dragging the feet...while the mighty NATO has to bend its knees in face of reality, it is always assumed that Pakistan Army is not being truthful...

US is a professional Army and i respect their capability, however to dismiss Pakistan Army concerns as excuses and lack of will to fight is downright stupid, biased and totally out of line...sadly i have seen too many statements from the west which are critical of PA and its concerns...

I have been to the tribal areas in Pakistan and my father was deployed in this area during Afghan Jihad...
I know the capabilities of Pakistan Army and they are very competent...however you cannot win against nature in the long run...

The terrain favors the guerrillas and more so if the guerrillas have local support and are seen as freedom fighters in the eyes of many...

You need a lot of friendly eyes and ears in the mountains who will tilt the balance in your favor...that is the most important requirement of defeating the militants on their home turf, especially if the home turf is one of the toughest in the world and very inhospitable...I do not see an overwhelming support of US and the reason is simple...
Afghans are desperate but very proud people and have been embittered by being used again and again...they do not trust anyone...

In the eyes of the common Afghan man, US commitment will be measured by the economic development and not the military presence alone...they will back the winners and they are not sure who is the dominant party...
 
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