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The United States Special Operations Command (SOCOM) is in the process of deploying its first Boeing A160T Hummingbird unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs). The new UAV, developed by Boeing in conjunction with the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) looks like a traditional helicopter but it goes higher, stays airborn longer, travels farther, and runs more quietly than any helicopter in current use. Its biggest bonus – it doesn’t have a pilot that could be shut down.
The Hummingbird is 35 feet long with a 36 foot rotor diameter. It uses a Pratt & Whitney PW207 turboshaft engine and is designed to fly more than 2,500 nautical miles (around 2,900 regular miles) with a payload of 300 pounds (larger payloads are supported for shorter distances). It can remain airborne for more than 24 hours at a time and can fly up to 160 miles per hour (about 140 knots) at up to 30,000 feet above ground. Future versions could fly as high as 55,000 feet above the ground and remain airborne for as long as 48 hours. The current ceiling for most conventional helicopters is 20,000 feet and the longest flight endurance of a commercial helicopter is just over 23 hours.

The key to these improvements is Boeing's new rotor design. Unlike conventional helicopters, the Hummingbird uses a variable speed rotor, allowing operators to slow the rate of rotation to save fuel and operate quietly or speed it up to travel as quickly as possible. The UAV uses a hingeless, rigid carbon fiber construction to allow this variation without inducing vibrational problems that would potentially damage or disable the craft.

SOCOM took delivery of ten Hummingbirds in November 2008. Initial use of the vehicles includes testing of the Foliage Penetration Reconnaissance Surveillance Tracking and Engagement Radar (FORESTER), a radar designed to detect people and vehicles moving under the cover of foliage. Hummingbirds are also being used as test beds for other DARPA projects including the Autonomous Real-time Ground Ubiquitous Surveillance-Imaging System (ARGUS-IS) system.

Other potential Special Forces uses for the Hummingbirds include precision resupply missions and possibly, emergency medical evacuations (human payloads have not been tested at this point, so there are no immediate or near-term plans to use the vehicles for this purpose). Hummingbirds are not armed, but there is also a possibility that future iterations could include lightweight missiles or other small stealth weapons.

TFOT already covered Boeing A160 Hummingbird in May 2007 when it completed one of its test flights. TFOT also reported on other military unmanned aerial vehicle initiatives including work on airborne rearming of unmanned aerial vehicles, the armed Excalibur tactical unmanned aerial vehicle designed for use by the United States Army, the L-15 unmanned airship designed specifically for surveillance work, the electric powered TCUAV aerial surveillance system, and the canister-launched MONGURD UAV capable of carrying either surveillance equipment or weapons.


I saw this on a TV show last night showing it carrying a 1000 lb payload. Wonder where it will be deployed?

 
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Gee, I thought you guys at the PDF would be intereserted in the newest American drone coming your way. Not so? No comments? Surely the Pak AF can shoot down a stationary drone like the Hummingbird. Right?
 
I see that SilverFalcon has a new thread in the Weapons Club that includes the Hummingbird. I am still surprised that you PDF guys aren't interested in this new drone that may be appearing over FATA sometime in the not too distant future.
 
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Sir once our AWACS are in the sky there will be no more stealth surprises.

KB, when will that be? Is there a plan to deploy Pak AWACS? We better get our stealth UAV's cranked up then. How much time before you have your AWACS on your west side. Aren't they needed on your east side to watch the IAF??? Anyway, we can flood your zone or send our Hummingbirds to hover and hide underneath your AWACS until they fire their shots. :taz: :usflag:
 
Not sure exactly when, let's hope one of the air force chaps comes along and answers it.
 
KB, when will that be? Is there a plan to deploy Pak AWACS? We better get our stealth UAV's cranked up then. How much time before you have your AWACS on your west side. Aren't they needed on your east side to watch the IAF??? Anyway, we can flood your zone or send our Hummingbirds to hover and hide underneath your AWACS until they fire their shots. :taz: :usflag:


and what if we destroy the places where they come from??

lol..:cheesy:
 
and what if we destroy the places where they come from??

lol..:cheesy:

Ha! Ha! What if they are coming from Pakistani Air Bases???? You might be surprised at what "collateral" damage you might cause! :chilli: :usflag:


(P.S. I am not sure the right hand of Pakistan knows what the left hand of Pakistan is doing......)
 
i am sure they are not coming from PAF airbases...its the place called AFGHANISTAN where they come from....it wont take too much for pak to destroy all the drones...so chill man..
 
i am sure they are not coming from PAF airbases...its the place called AFGHANISTAN where they come from....it wont take too much for pak to destroy all the drones...so chill man..

AND, it won't take long for the USAF to destroy whatever the PAF uses to destroy our baby drones ......(if the PAF has the guts to do it, that is ....)
 
The United States Special Operations Command (SOCOM) is in the process of deploying its first Boeing A160T Hummingbird unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs). The new UAV, developed by Boeing in conjunction with the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) looks like a traditional helicopter but it goes higher, stays airborn longer, travels farther, and runs more quietly than any helicopter in current use. Its biggest bonus – it doesn’t have a pilot that could be shut down.
The Hummingbird is 35 feet long with a 36 foot rotor diameter. It uses a Pratt & Whitney PW207 turboshaft engine and is designed to fly more than 2,500 nautical miles (around 2,900 regular miles) with a payload of 300 pounds (larger payloads are supported for shorter distances). It can remain airborne for more than 24 hours at a time and can fly up to 160 miles per hour (about 140 knots) at up to 30,000 feet above ground. Future versions could fly as high as 55,000 feet above the ground and remain airborne for as long as 48 hours. The current ceiling for most conventional helicopters is 20,000 feet and the longest flight endurance of a commercial helicopter is just over 23 hours.

The key to these improvements is Boeing's new rotor design. Unlike conventional helicopters, the Hummingbird uses a variable speed rotor, allowing operators to slow the rate of rotation to save fuel and operate quietly or speed it up to travel as quickly as possible. The UAV uses a hingeless, rigid carbon fiber construction to allow this variation without inducing vibrational problems that would potentially damage or disable the craft.

SOCOM took delivery of ten Hummingbirds in November 2008. Initial use of the vehicles includes testing of the Foliage Penetration Reconnaissance Surveillance Tracking and Engagement Radar (FORESTER), a radar designed to detect people and vehicles moving under the cover of foliage. Hummingbirds are also being used as test beds for other DARPA projects including the Autonomous Real-time Ground Ubiquitous Surveillance-Imaging System (ARGUS-IS) system.

Other potential Special Forces uses for the Hummingbirds include precision resupply missions and possibly, emergency medical evacuations (human payloads have not been tested at this point, so there are no immediate or near-term plans to use the vehicles for this purpose). Hummingbirds are not armed, but there is also a possibility that future iterations could include lightweight missiles or other small stealth weapons.

TFOT already covered Boeing A160 Hummingbird in May 2007 when it completed one of its test flights. TFOT also reported on other military unmanned aerial vehicle initiatives including work on airborne rearming of unmanned aerial vehicles, the armed Excalibur tactical unmanned aerial vehicle designed for use by the United States Army, the L-15 unmanned airship designed specifically for surveillance work, the electric powered TCUAV aerial surveillance system, and the canister-launched MONGURD UAV capable of carrying either surveillance equipment or weapons.


I saw this on a TV show last night showing it carrying a 1000 lb payload. Wonder where it will be deployed?

The Boeing Hummingbrid is still under development and lacks operational readiness. It was recently tested by Boeing for endurance flight an it achieved around 15 hours of continuous flight. Currently the SOCOM is only 'considering' this option. Both Hummingbird and FireScout VTOL UAV's and UCAV's in the US have not yet reached operational maturity and or deployment with any US service. So for the time being, Reaper UAV will continue to do what it is doing at the Pak-Afghan border and we do not aim to see the Hummingbird anytime soon in the Afghan theater of war!
 
KB, when will that be? Is there a plan to deploy Pak AWACS? We better get our stealth UAV's cranked up then. How much time before you have your AWACS on your west side. Aren't they needed on your east side to watch the IAF??? Anyway, we can flood your zone or send our Hummingbirds to hover and hide underneath your AWACS until they fire their shots. :taz: :usflag:

What 'US Stealth UAV'? The operational UCAV that the US has is the Reaper and the Predator armed with hellfire missiles and being extensively used by the USAF & CIA in Afghanistan, Iraq and Yemen. And besides your Reaper UCAV is pretty much visible on ground based and airborne radar, we simply choose to ignore it for the time being and under mutual agreement with the US.

Please keep your BS separate from the facts on the ground before making a 'confident' claim!
 
From the Army Times:

SOCom to mount Hellfire missiles on Hummingbird


By Kris Osborn - Staff writer
Posted : Wednesday Dec 10, 2008 15:19:39 EST

U.S. Special Operations Command is planning to mount Hellfire missiles on, strengthen the skin of, and add redundant flight controls to prototype versions of the A160T Hummingbird UAV, said Army Maj. Scott Beal, SOCom Hummingbird program manager.

Hummingbird maker “Boeing is completing a design to mount Hellfires on the rotocraft’s stub wings at the beginning of January,” Beal said at the 2008 Army Aviation Association of America Unmanned Aircraft Symposium in Arlington, Va.

SOCom is testing seven prototypes purchased in 2005 as part of a technology demonstration phase slated to continue through March. In August, officials tested the UAV’s ability to exchange data with One System Remote Video Terminal, Warfighter Information Network-Tactical, and Enhanced Position Location Reporting System, Beal said.

If the Hummingbird becomes an official program of record, it would enter service 2012, Beal said.

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Epool, looks like you are correct about the Hummingbird not yet being operational.
 
Please keep your BS separate from the facts on the ground before making a 'confident' claim!

My whole post that you quoted was just joking with my naive friend Raheel1. Of course there are no "stealth" UAV's. Stealth technology would be too expensive to use instead of simply making more copies of, and expending, cheaper "non-stealth" UAV's. Lighten up!
 
From the Army Times:

SOCom to mount Hellfire missiles on Hummingbird


By Kris Osborn - Staff writer
Posted : Wednesday Dec 10, 2008 15:19:39 EST

U.S. Special Operations Command is planning to mount Hellfire missiles on, strengthen the skin of, and add redundant flight controls to prototype versions of the A160T Hummingbird UAV, said Army Maj. Scott Beal, SOCom Hummingbird program manager.

Hummingbird maker “Boeing is completing a design to mount Hellfires on the rotocraft’s stub wings at the beginning of January,” Beal said at the 2008 Army Aviation Association of America Unmanned Aircraft Symposium in Arlington, Va.

SOCom is testing seven prototypes purchased in 2005 as part of a technology demonstration phase slated to continue through March. In August, officials tested the UAV’s ability to exchange data with One System Remote Video Terminal, Warfighter Information Network-Tactical, and Enhanced Position Location Reporting System, Beal said.

If the Hummingbird becomes an official program of record, it would enter service 2012, Beal said.

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Epool, looks like you are correct about the Hummingbird not yet being operational.

Thanks. I know.

BTW, the photo that you have produced above is of a fully laden MOCK-UP made most likely out of balsa wood and tin at an airshow! Not even real at this stage!
 
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