US SecDef Panetta to seal Apache attack heli deal during June 6 visit

[peaceful]

WOW awesome stuff, the Apache is coming, bow down guys lol, India is rising and the world looks on in anticipation, this is one mean machine, India is modernizing its military fast and that's a good thing.

since when nations become more powerful by importing foreign weapons?

....how did you arrive to this conclusion mate.???

China has the moral obligation to supply Pakistan the blueprint of our Z-10.

 

[Varunastra]

Apaches are 1 hell of a beast .....i say that it is the best attack heli out there!!

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And we are getting the block III's

 

[Shatterpoint]

Its not about weapons, India has a lot to give to the world and a rising, peaceful India is what we need.

 

[Varunastra]

Why only 22 why why why....This should be 88,minimum.

I don't think so mate that we will go on for any follow on orders.....Apaches have been bought to replace these-

AND to fill in the gap till we fully develop this-

We have already ordered 165 + of these helis and so i don't think we'll go for more Apaches!

not to forget that we have already developed this-

 

[ManuZ]

Happy to see Indians getting a good platform.

peace.

p.s. Just watchout for the kill switch. We have them in our F-16 too.

Apache attack Heli is a Helicopter dewd......
Whats the point having a kill switch in a fighter jet F-16....
Ever heard of an attack heli and fighter jet engaged in dog fight??

 

[T90TankGuy]

i too wasn't expecting this deal to be signed so soon , more likely in oct-nov. but all the better.

 

[illusion8]

While the defence secretary will discuss long term defence cooperation with India, he will also ensure that the Apache deal is sealed during his visit. Pursued by India for the past two years, the Apache 64D II is possibily the best attack helicopter and has had a proven record in Iraq and Afghanistan operations. As of now, the two sides are trying to close the offsets part of the deal.

Typing error???

 

[Kinetic]

China has the moral obligation to supply Pakistan the blueprint of our Z-10.

Amusing.

The same moral obligation of USA, led Pakistan to current situation. Let see how far China bring that to.

 

[Indian009]

I predicted it in other thread that deal will be signed in 2 months and I was dam right

 

[Big Boss]

Happy to see Indians getting a good platform.

peace.

p.s. Just watchout for the kill switch. We have them in our F-16 too.

1. The f-16 is the most vital for pakistan but it can't be said for the Apache Longbow for India. Make or break situation.

2. Our electronics and navigation industry is intensive and advance. We always take care of these things if we can make our own missile defense program and AWACS one can not ask more proof of it. The same can't be said about the pak.

3. We will have our own avionics and software.

 

[sancho]

Why only 22 why why why....This should be 88,minimum.

Because this is a replacement of 22 x Mi 35 of IAF, while IA airwing will have Rudra / LCH for the main fire support roles in higher numbers too. They will be a more capable addition for certain offensive roles to the LCH IAF will later have as well, but the basic roles will be taken over by our indigenous combat helicopters, so no need for that many expensive Apaches.

 

[Abingdonboy]

I don't think so mate that we will go on for any follow on orders.....Apaches have been bought to replace these-

AND to fill in the gap till we fully develop this-

We have already ordered 165 + of these helis and so i don't think we'll go for more Apaches!

not to forget that we have already developed this-

The Apache isn't an interim measure until the LCH comes online. The Apache will form part of the high-low mix of which it is the high component. The Apache is far, FAR more capable than the LCH hence having plenty of these platforms is a real boost. And I have no doubt 70-80 units of AH-64D Blk.III are certain.

 

[sancho]

The Apache isn't an interim measure until the LCH comes online. The Apache will form part of the high-low mix of which it is the high component. The Apache is far, FAR more capable than the LCH hence having plenty of these platforms is a real boost. And I have no doubt 70-80 units of AH-64D Blk.III are certain.

The advantages of the Apache are avionics mainly, which can be upgraded for LCH in later stages. In terms of weapons or flight performance it isn't far more capable, people just hype the differences between combat helicopters, because they think it's similar to fighters in different classes, but that is not the case!

Apache D Longbow vs. LCH

Gun: 30mm vs. 20mm
ATGMs: 16 vs. 12 to 16 (with the latest changes of the stubwings)
Rockets: 76 (4 x 19) vs. 48 (4 x 12 with the MBDA pods)
AAMs: 8 (4 x 2) vs. 8 (4 x 2)
Range: 476 km vs. 550 km
Speed: 265 km/h vs. 275 km/h
Ceilling: 6400 m vs. 6500 m


Sources:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Dc2Wx4jR9...ABN0/iWSE6dxGWi0/s1600/CIMG2774.JPG]LCH+specs

Boeing: AH-64 Apache Specifications


Keep in mind that the US offers the same Sidewinder, Hellfire or Rockets for LCH, that the Apache uses too, which means the weapons itself don't make a big difference and neither does the weapon carrying capability. So for normal fire support of troops or armoured vehicles, LCH will be more than useful too, with the main differences in the gun only, while it is similarly capable in anti tank or A2A capability.

More interesting will be the latest radar and avionics features of the Apcahe for IAF, if we can customize the Apache with some Indian or Israeli techs (satcom and datalinks), they would be great for forwarded operations, be it recon linked with UAVs and AWACS, low level SEAD or pre-emptive attacks without the need of ground forces. That's possibly what IAF might have in mind with them, to have a low level attack capability, besides it's fighters. Escorts for transport helicopters, or fire supports for ground forces won't be their priority anymore, when IA airwing and IAF will have LCH for these roles.

You really need to think about what the forces might want to do with these helicopters and what alternatives they have before get into conclusions, then you will see that your numbers are way too high again and that the requirements of IAFs combat helicopters are changing.

 

[Abingdonboy]

^^^ any idiot knows the Apache is streaks ahead of any attack helo on the planet including the LCH. It is not purely in avionics but this is a huge advantage Apache has also firepower, weapons suite and survivabilty.


Regarding numbers- we will see who is right.

 

[Indian009]

I would loved to see 120+ apache in tricolour but it I think GOIis thinking differently. May be 40/60 only as LCH will also get the orders. And it's good too.
Mix packs of Appache and LCH sould be made. So it will be more economical and more deadly fire support.
My bet 30 for IAF and 30for IA.