US Politics

[ChineseTiger1986]

Strange to me as well. @F-22Raptor is one of those neocons who want to see American hegemony continue, until all nonwhites across the world are squirming and toiling under the white man's boot. Trump can only expedite that dream, no?

After voting him, and they now all suddenly want Clinton to be the POTUS.

Those Americans are really difficult to be compromised.

 

[KAL-EL]

Don't forget about the employer mandate part of the bill. It's not a nice feeling knowing that your employer no longer has to offer health insurance, even if it almost certainly still will. Not everyone has the luxury of working for a good company, like we do.

Very true! But I specifically focused on the Medicaid part of all this because I personally know of someone who is on Medicaid because he was hurt badly on the job, and can no longer earn an income

If it wasn't for Medicaid, he would be bankrupt by now with all the medical bills he would be receiving.

To be blunt, he was scared to death that he would be cut off.. it was literally affecting his mental health because his anxiety was going through the roof constantly worrying about it.

I'm fairly sure most of us have personal connections to people like that. Or at least people who are in similar type of situations.

 

[LA se Karachi]

Very true! But I specifically focused on the Medicaid part of all this because I personally know of someone who is on Medicaid because he was hurt badly on the job, and can no longer earn an income

If it wasn't for Medicaid, he would be bankrupt by now with all the medical bills he would be receiving.

To be blunt, he was scared to death that he would be cut off.. it was literally affecting his mental health because his anxiety was going through the roof constantly worrying about it.

I'm fairly sure most of us have personal connections to people like that. Or at least people who are in similar type of situations.

Ya, there's no doubt that Medicaid would essentially be gutted, and that people with pre-existing conditions would not be eligible for insurance.

But I also find it reprehensible that employers with dozens of employees would no longer be required to offer insurance to people who are working full time. That's just not fair. The government can take care of those who are injured or incapable of working. But it shouldn't have to step in for those that are working full time.

After voting him, and they now all suddenly want Clinton to be the POTUS.

Those Americans are really difficult to be compromised.

No, both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are incredibly unpopular. In fact, Hillary is even more unpopular than Trump. Actually, most Americans don't want either to be President. It's sad that they weren't given better choices in the general election. Now look where we are....

 

[KAL-EL]

Ya, there's no doubt that Medicaid would essentially be gutted, and that people with pre-existing conditions would not be eligible for insurance.

But I also find it reprehensible that employers with dozens of employees would no longer be required to offer insurance to people who are working full time. That's just not fair. The government can take care of those who are injured or incapable of working. But it shouldn't have to step in for those that are working full time.



No, both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are incredibly unpopular. In fact, Hillary is even more unpopular than Trump. Actually, most Americans don't want either to be President. It's sad that they weren't given better choices in the general election. Now look where we are....

I concur with everything you said. People working full-time should not be penalized either and should not have to worry that their employer might not have to provide a health insurance option.

Regarding your response to the other member about Hillary Clinton. Him assuming that now all of a sudden Americans want Clinton just because of this event is a giant leap in non logic and makes no sense.

But then, I have the feeling his comment was at least based in subtle stealth trolling.

And to this day, most Americans don't want either as president. I know I sure as hell didn't want either of them as president.

I don't have to tell you that obviously when most people went into that voting booth, they essentially were choosing the lesser of two evils in their mind.

 

[LA se Karachi]

I concur with everything you said. People working full-time should not be penalized either and should not have to worry that their employer might not have to provide a health insurance option.

Yes. To be clear, most employers will provide adequate health insurance, with or without a mandate. However, some less-reputable employers may not. It's not right that anyone working full-time should not have the option of purchasing health insurance through their employer.

And to this day, most Americans don't want either as president. I know I sure as hell didn't want either of them as president.

Correct. They are essentially just as equally unpopular.

But then, I have the feeling his comment was at least based in some stealth anti-American trolling.

Probably. But either way, his comment made no sense.

I don't have to tell you that obviously when most people went into that voting booth, they essentially were choosing the lesser of two evils in their mind.

No doubt, and I certainly don't blame people for voting for Hillary Clinton in the general election over this disastrous mess.

But that's why I said a over a year ago that the primaries really matter. You cannot vote for an unpopular candidate like Hillary Clinton in the primary (or not vote at all) and expect everyone to hold their noses and vote for her in the general election---especially in Midwestern swing-states. You have to select strong candidates, or you might get people like Trump in the White House.

 

[Vergennes]

@LA se Karachi @KAL-EL @F-22Raptor

As I see,there's lot of daily fun in the US,with the super twitter President.

(It's pretty sad actually,but thankfully the Americans and their institutions are strong! )

 

[LA se Karachi]

@LA se Karachi @KAL-EL @F-22Raptor

As I see,there's lot of daily fun in the US,with the super twitter President.

(It's pretty sad actually,but thankfully the Americans and their institutions are strong! )

America will be fine. I just hope that both parties learn from the mistakes they made in 2016. Especially the Democratic Party, or we might have to put up with eight years of Donald Trump.

 

[Gomig-21]

Watching McConnell's reaction was even more funny.


Glad to know that there are still some GOP Senators with a conscience and a brain. The CBO predicted that 16 million Americans would lose their health insurance, and that premiums would rise by an average of 20% each year under the GOP healthcare plan.

You wonder if Lindsey Graham and especially good ol' John McCain will become pariahs within the Republican party because of this defeated skinny vote. Susan Collins was always against this health care bill from the start and doubtful her position will be affected. The other two, however, and especially McCain have always been staunch Republicans and to see them smiling and working with the Democrats in this age of ultimate bipartisanship might not bode well for them. That was true governance and neat to watch because they didn't vote based on party lines and to secure their seats in their next elections, they voted on principle. Good for them. I don't think either of those two have to worry about their seats, least of all McCain, but now they'll have to deal with the abusive and bashing remarks that will come from the head chief when he speaks at his next rally. Who knows, maybe it'll be in front of a bunch of 3-4 year-old toddlers at the Day-Care Convention.

 

[Gomig-21]

McCain disappointed me when he returned to vote to advance the debate, to be honest I was sure he'd vote on each repeal or replace measure. True, he's always voted to advance a debate and I admire that about him. Regardless of whether or not he agrees with a bill, he at least wants to talk about it. But the brutal irony of his bout with cancer and trying to strip millions of their health care was a bitter pill for me to swallow.

I'm very happy with him this morning though. Woke up to news the Skinny Repeal failed... thanks to McCain. Still, the fight goes on and I hope, likely in vain, that Republicans will drop this stupid obsession with ending the ACA and focus on making it more stable. Fix, don't replace the damn thing for Christ's sake.

Couldn't agree more. Well said.

 

[LA se Karachi]

You wonder if Lindsey Graham and especially good ol' John McCain will become pariahs within the Republican party because of this defeated skinny vote.

Graham is indeed a bit of a pariah because of his willingness to cross party-lines. He also threatened Trump earlier this week when he was asked about Sessions and Mueller. I believe he voted for the bill, however.

It was Lisa Murkowski of Alaska that voted against the bill and prevented it from passing. She's been a bit more independent ever since the Sarah Palin-endorsed Joe Miller defeated her in the Republican Primary in 2010. She won the general election decisively, however, when she chose to run as a write-in candidate.

Susan Collins was always against this health care bill from the start and doubtful her position will be affected.

Correct. She comes from a Democratic-leaning state (Maine), and she should become more popular as result of her vote.

The other two, however, and especially McCain have always been staunch Republicans and to see them smiling and working with the Democrats in this age of ultimate bipartisanship might not bode well for them. That was true governance and neat to watch because they didn't vote based on party lines and to secure their seats in their next elections, they voted on principle. Good for them. I don't think either of those two have to worry about their seats, least of all McCain...

Yes, it was quite nice. McCain definitely won't have to worry about his seat, if he is able to run again in 2022. His state also became more Democratic in 2016. Trump won it by only about 3.5%.

but now they'll have to deal with the abusive and bashing remarks that will come from the head chief when he speaks at his next rally.

No doubt. A man who bashed McCain's service and capture in the Vietnam War has no morals. He will probably make remark about McCain, despite McCain's brain cancer.

Not that they care, I'm sure.

Who knows, maybe it'll be in front of a bunch of 3-4 year-old toddlers at the Day-Care Convention.

Have to start the indoctrination early, right?

 

[AMDR]

2020 is going to be an absolute bloodbath.

 

[T-72]

interesting conversation/interview.

@Nilgiri @LA se Karachi @Gomig-21 @Submariner (sorry didn't realize you're Sven earlier) etc

 

[RabzonKhan]

Really freaking funny, not only is Scaramucci, Trump’s new communication director, vulgar as hell like his boss, but it seems he is even an expert in Trump’s hand gesture, what a damn fake.

 

[LA se Karachi]

Really freaking funny, not only is Scaramucci, Trump’s new communication director, vulgar as hell like his boss, but it seems he is even an expert in Trump’s hand gesture, what a damn fake.

He's gone:

Anthony Scaramucci removed as White House communications director
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/anthony...-role-as-white-house-communications-director/
Who will be next?

 

[RabzonKhan]

Breaking News, Anthony Scaramucci out after brief, turbulent stint at White House.

President Trump removed newly appointed White House communications director Anthony Scaramucci Monday, just over a week after the president had hired him to help force out chief of staff Reince Priebus.
The stunning move came just hours after Mr. Trump swore in his new chief of staff, retired Gen. John F. Kelly, former Homeland Security secretary. Link

And yet, we’re supposed to believe that there is no chaos in the White House!

@LA se Karachi, oops, you already posted it.