US Plans to go to War Before 9/11

[A1Kaid]

I want to make this the official thread about this highly controversial and heated debate. In the thread "US shoots unborn baby" there are several post pertaining to this thread I would appreciate if MODS would move those threads into this thread...


Here are my posts relating to this Topic.

Mastan Sahab, in past two or three posts of yours, you have tried to make me understand that the Afghanistan and now Pakistan could have been saved from the wrath of the US military if Taliban leaders had obeyed the demands of the US of handing over Osama and his aides to them. Your interpretation is based on the 'assumption' that:

A. Al-Qaeda or OBL and his aides were involved in the 9/11.
B. Americans invaded Afghanistan in search of OBL and Al-Qaeda operatives who were responsible for 9/11 attacks

First of all I do not agree with the assumption that OBL or Al-Qaeda was involved in 9/11 attacks because there is no proof. When the Americans asked Mullah Umar to hand over Osma, Omar agreed to comply with their demands if he was provided with evidence of Osama’s involvement. Americans did not provide him with any proof of OBL’s involvement at that time. There are some members who present OBL video confession as proof, but even if we accept that as proof, it was not until 2003 when the video was aired. So basically at the time when US demanded Omar to hand over OBL and his aides, there was no proof of their involvement. I do not know if Mullah Omar was a good Muslims or not, but he indeed was an honorable Pathan who refused to hand over his guest to Americans because American did not provide him with any proof.

Secondly, US plans of attacking Afghanistan pre-date the 9/11 incident. In March 15, 2001, Janes Defense published an article entitled "India joins anti-Taliban coalition" by Rahul Bedi. Than in June 26, 2001, an Indian Magazine Indiareacts published an article entitled “India and Iran will ‘facilitate’ US and Russian plans for ‘limited military action’ against the Taliban if the contemplated tough new economic sanctions don’t bend Afghanistan’s fundamentalist regime”. Than BBC reported “American government told other governments about Afghan invasion IN JULY 2001.” by George Arney. Than MSNBC reported “Afghanistan war plans were on Bush's desk on 9/9/2001”. In fact Pakistan was told about the Afghan invasion in July 2001. Mr. Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October. Irrespective of Taliban's response to the American demands, the Americans were already determined to attack on Afghanistan.

In the light of the above, I do not find myself in agreement with you.

Good point Qsaark

M.K is just beating the "old War Drum" I know his tone resembles the sounds of the 9/11 aftermath...

What M.K fails to understand the plan to go to war was prearranged before 9/11 by the Pentagon, some suggested US wanted to interfere in a gas pipeline that was being built in the region through China, and the US and it's oil companies wanted the US to interfere in that ordeal...

Again M.K. beating an "old war drum", his argument as you've pointed out is based on assumptions that UBL and his netwrok perpetrated 9/11 and handing over UBL and Zawahiri would have prevented the premeditated War...Even when UBL never claimed responsibility for 9/11, if you watched the full version of the 9/11 video he supposedly praised the hijackers...Now praising the hijackers, does not mean your responsible for 9/11, in the full video right form the beginning UBL declared he was not responsible for the attack and was not involved. However, can you guess why the full video was not played to the Americans and World? Because it debunks the claims of the US regime's...


EDIT:
Read this below, UBL's formal refusal of responsibility for 9/11 (short excerpt)

"In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.

"I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders' rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations," bin Laden said. "

Source: CNN.com - Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks - September 17, 2001

Whether UBL existed or not the Pentagon was formulating plans at least by August 2001 (in fact months before 9/11), to invade Afghanistan...So what does this tell you? (rhetorical question)


Excerpts #1 from the BBC

"Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October.

Mr Naik said US officials told him of the plan at a UN-sponsored international contact group on Afghanistan which took place in Berlin.

The wider objective, according to Mr Naik, would be to topple the Taleban regime and install a transitional government of moderate Afghans in its place - possibly under the leadership of the former Afghan King Zahir Shah. "

Source: BBC News | SOUTH ASIA | US 'planned attack on Taleban'

Excerpt #2 from the Guardian UK

"Osama bin Laden and the Taliban received threats of possible American military strikes against them two months before the terrorist assaults on New York and Washington, which were allegedly masterminded by the Saudi-born fundamentalist, a Guardian investigation has established.

The threats of war unless the Taliban surrendered Osama bin Laden were passed to the regime in Afghanistan by the Pakistani government, senior diplomatic sources revealed yesterday. "

Source: Threat of US strikes passed to Taliban weeks before NY attack | World news | The Guardian

Visit the links below, trust me it's a real eye opener M.K.

The two links below are about plans to invade Afghanistan months before 9/11.

The Insider - Afghanistan war started months before 9/11

BBC News | SOUTH ASIA | US 'planned attack on Taleban'

Links below are about plans to invade Iraq soon after 9/11.


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/20/politics/20weapons.html

BBC NEWS | Programmes | Newsnight | Secret US plans for Iraq's oil