US Marines launch large offensive in Afghanistan

[Moorkh]

naah, not really

watch tom&jerry

 

[Spring Onion]

Yes...It is quite pathetic that the Taliban would withdraw from the fields for 2-3 weeks out of fear of our fancy names. May be the Taliban should come up with even more fanciful and fearsome names for their operations and see how frightened US Marines can be.

And you are comparing the world's most modern army, with empty handed Taliban fighters

Give them the same weapons, airpower and ground troops from over dozen good millitaries from many countries comprising the NATO and then compare the operation by the two.


I think your threat is also a compliment to the freedom fighters in Afghanistan who are fighting you almost empty handed

 

[Awesome]

And you are comparing the world's most modern army, with empty handed Taliban fighters

Give them the same weapons, airpower and ground troops from over dozen good millitaries from many countries comprising the NATO and then compare the operation by the two.


I think your threat is also a compliment to the freedom fighters in Afghanistan who are fighting you almost empty handed

I think the question of whether or not the Taliban are freedom fighters, just fighters, or not blew away when they resorted to suicide bombings of innocent civilians.

Not to mention the hordes of their lower cadres that travel to Pakistan (as evidenced from the chap captured at the attack on the Lahore Police Academy) and bomb mosques, schools and kill children with impunity.

I agree the Afghanis would lose out on their freedom if the Americans win this war, and a pro-terrorism (in Pakistan) government would be strengthened, but where this new future Afghani enemy would be forced into covert actions against Pakistan, a victorious Taliban would be more overt in their suicide bombings of Pakistan.

Moreover I think once the Afghanis are free from Taliban they would also be freed from the remnants of the Northern Alliance in the government today. Every nation has to do it on its own. America and Taliban are both wrong to be pretenders of the savior role. America intends to leave, Taliban wants to stay. Its best that Taliban loses this war, rather than the Americans.

 

[Spring Onion]

I think the question of whether or not the Taliban are freedom fighters, just fighters, or not blew away when they resorted to suicide bombings of innocent civilians.

Not to mention the hordes of their lower cadres that travel to Pakistan (as evidenced from the chap captured at the attack on the Lahore Police Academy) and bomb mosques, schools and kill children with impunity.

I agree the Afghanis would lose out on their freedom if the Americans win this war, and a pro-terrorism (in Pakistan) government would be strengthened, but where this new future Afghani enemy would be forced into covert actions against Pakistan, a victorious Taliban would be more overt in their suicide bombings of Pakistan.

Moreover I think once the Afghanis are free from Taliban they would also be freed from the remnants of the Northern Alliance in the government today. Every nation has to do it on its own. America and Taliban are both wrong to be pretenders of the savior role. America intends to leave, Taliban wants to stay. Its best that Taliban loses this war, rather than the Americans.

Agree with most of your points. But US is wrong when it invaded Afghanistan.

Back in 80s when Russia was in Afghanistan that too on the invitation of Afghan prez/king the Americans have sold the notion that it was an Invasion by Russia and thus US made freedom righters now when US had invaded Afghanistan then i dont see Americans should be let go away with wrong notion of liberating Afghanistan.

This is also an invasion.

If tomorrow US attacks Pakistan then i would not mind creating blowing caders to kick the US out of my land.

Its the same for every country. No one wants an invader in his house.

 

[waraich66]

Agree with most of your points. But US is wrong when it invaded Afghanistan.

Back in 80s when Russia was in Afghanistan that too on the invitation of Afghan prez/king the Americans have sold the notion that it was an Invasion by Russia and thus US made freedom righters now when US had invaded Afghanistan then i dont see Americans should be let go away with wrong notion of liberating Afghanistan.

This is also an invasion.

If tomorrow US attacks Pakistan then i would not mind creating blowing caders to kick the US out of my land.

Its the same for every country. No one wants an invader in his house.

Defeat in Afghanistan will be great blow to shaken super power , then all over the world other supressed nations also start freedom struggle that is reason US dont want Afghanistan to become role model. Freedom struggle in kashmir and Palestine will get new power and motivation, that is reason India and Israel wanted Talaban defeat at any cost.

I think dark era of capitalisim is near to end.

Allama Iqbal also indicated in his poems about end of capitalisim.

IQBAL ON THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE WORLD ORDER
Dr. Rafi‘ ud-Din Hashmi

The poet-philosopher Allama Muhammad Iqbal (1877-1938) lived in the first half of the twentieth century. Now, we stand on the threshold of the 21st century. The present day world is a fast-changing world and each moment an entirely new situation arises. This ever-changing scene poses a difficult challenge to the big powers of today. They have to make constant changes in their policies and formulate new strategies in order to cope with each new situation.

It was as long back as April 21st 1938 that Iqbal died. His times are past, and his era seems to be over, yet his thought, his poetry and his concepts are as fresh as ever. They are quite meaningful with reference to our contemporary world and have full potential of meeting the challenges of our times as well. Iqbal, not only possessed an unusually deep insight into the social, economic, political and human problems of his own time, but he also combined with it such a unique philosophical and sagacious appraisals of the future that we can, without any exaggeration, call him a poet of the times yet to come.[1]

Iqbal had to live under the yoke of colonialism and the British had not only colonised Iqbal’s homeland India, but had also subjugated the major parts of Asia and Africa. The free soul of Iqbal could never reconcile with this Western subjugation. His intellect could not be arrested by the shackles of slavery and soared high. Since he had a unique outlook towards life and universe, quite different from the prevalent, he always felt restless in his contemporary surroundings. Naturally, he never felt satisfied with the society he lived in, the prevailing world order and the situation faced by the humanity as a whole.

From the very beginning, we find in Iqbal, a strong desire for a radical change. India was his homeland[2] and the life of Indians, under the British rule, always made Iqbal worried with a sense of pain.[3] What particularly shocked him was the fact that the Indian Muslims were lagging much behind the Hindu majority in respect of education, employment and the amenities of life, in general. On another level, Iqbal belonged to Muslim Ummah, which was in a state of decline. Most of the Muslim lands were under the British, the Russians or the French colonialism. Since Turkey was known as “the sick man of Europe”, Iqbal had to watch the painful disintegration of the Ottoman caliphate (1924). The Muslim Ummah suffered not only political subjugation, but also economic backwardness and poverty. More than everything, there was an overall civilizational and moral decadence. The colonial powers had descended on them with all their nationalistic prejudices, selfishness and thus perpetuated injustice on a global scale to safeguard their vested interests. Their own conflicting interests brought these materialistic groups to the First World War (1914-18), a “catastrophe which destroyed the old world order in almost every respect”[4] and which resulted an unprecedented bloodshed and destruction. The League of Nations was formed (1920) for averting a similar situation again. Iqbal’s insight was keen enough to see through these spurious designs. He could see that the actual role of the League was nothing more than that of an instrument to fulfil the imperialistic desires of the super powers. So, he called the League ‘a band of shroud thieves.’[5] Iqbal saw that in spite of the League’s apparent good-will to improve the world order, man continued to moan under the yoke of man; aggression, injustice and plunder continues unabated and ethnic, linguistic and religious chasms increased.

In Iqbal’s view the ideology of nationalism adopted by all the imperialist powers of Europe was mainly responsible for this deplorable situation. It was this national aggrandisement, which he though, gave them an insatiable hunger of expanding their colonial clutches. Iqbal started his career, as a “zealous nationalist”[6], but during his stay in Europe (1905-1908), he underwent what he called “Inqilāb-i-‘Azīm” a complete metamorphism. He tells us that the confrontation with the milieu of Europe, made him firm to Islam,[7] a way of life based on the unity of God and the unity of mankind. Iqbal believed that ‘the idea of modern nationalism created a great deal of misunderstanding of international motives and it has opened up a vast field for diplomatic intrigues and tends to ignore the broad human element in art and literature.’

Many painful events, such as invasion of China by Japan (1931) Italy’s aggression against Abyssinia (1935), the unrest in Palestine and the Spanish civil war etc, that followed First World War in Iqbal’s time, were also the off-shoots of the same secular nationalism.

Communism gained much popularity as an ideological force of Iqbal’s age. The red revolution dawned in Russia (1917) before Iqbal’s eyes and we can feel a note of welcome for the October Revolution in some of his poems. ‘Khizar-i-Rāh’ (1921) and several Persian poems contained in ‘Payām-i-Mashriq’ (1923) may be quoted as an example. In ‘ñulū‘-i-Islam’ (1923) he expressed disgust over the lamentable corollary of a civilization based on capitalism.

Upto now man is a weak prey to Imperialism

What a havoc man is the Hunter of Mankind in this age!

The glare of the present civilization dazzles one’s sight,

Yet this craftsmanship is the cutting of false stone.

The Diplomacy of which were proud the wise men of the West,

Is but a slaying sword in the bloody hand of greed.

Merely the magical work of thinking cannot make a culture strong and stable,

Especially when it is based on Capitalism! [8]

Iqbal’s optimism about the Communist Revolution however was quite short-lived, as he saw through the inherent evils of Communism. USSR did emerge as a global power but in Afghanistan, she has been beaten back in humiliation. Iqbal could see, even when Communism was at its prime, that deep down, it was carrying the germs of its own destruction. He saw that Communism only added to human miseries and could never alleviate its problems. Iqbal considered the Russian Bolshevism a reaction against the myopic, selfish of European capitalism. Capitalism and Communism in his mind were both based on extremist tendencies and were nothing more than the two faces of the same coin.[9] in ‘Javaīd Nāmah’, Iqbal puts the following words in Jamāl-ud-Dīn Afghānī’s mouth:

Communism and Imperial Kingship are both characterized by a dissatisfaction and impatience with the conditions of life:

Both fail to perceive God, and both work a gigantic fraud on mankind.

For one life means conquest and expansion; for the other extraction of tributes and fees under various pretexts:

Ant between these two stones, poor Adam is like glass!

One brings ruin with Knowledge, and Science; with Religion and Art

While the other snatches life from the body, and bread from the hand.

I see them both floundering in an exaggerated sense of the importance of material means.

Both have a sleek and shining body, but of both the heart is black.[10]

On this juncture, Iqbal had started feeling disgusted with the contemporary scene. He dubbed the last collection of his Urdu poems, published just two years before his death as Zarb-i-Kalīm or as ‘Proclamation of War Against the Contemporary Age.’ Earlier, he had chanted in Bāl-i-Jibrīl:

The magic old to life is brought by means of present Science and thought:

The path of life cannot be trodden without the aid of Moses’ Rod.[11]

Towards the end of his life, Iqbal’s disgust grew very strong.[12] Four months before his death, in his New Year’s Message on Jan. 1, 1938 broadcasted from the Lahore Radio Station, he mourned over man’s moral decline the degradation of humanity and the havoc wrought upon the world under the grip of the imperialistic oppression everywhere on the earth, in the following words: [13]

The tyranny of imperialism struts abroad, covering its face in the masks of Democracy, Nationalism, Communism, Fascism and heaven knows what else besides. Under these masks, in every corner of the earth, the spirit of freedom and the dignity of man are being trampled under foot in a way of which not even the darkest period of human history presents a parallel. The so-called statesmen to whom Government and leadership of men was entrusted have proved demons of bloodshed, tyranny and oppression. The rulers whose duty it was to protect and cherish those ideals which go to form a higher humanity, to prevent man’s oppression of man and to elevate the moral and intellectual level of mankind, have in their hunger for dominion and imperial possessions, shed the blood of millions and reduced millions to servitude, simply in order to pander to the greed and avarice of their own particular groups. After subjugating and establishing their dominion over weaker peoples, they have robbed them of their religions, their morals, of their cultural traditions and their literatures. Then they sowed divisions among them that they should shed one another’s blood and go to sleep under the opiate of serfdom so that the leech of imperialism might go on sucking their blood without interruption.

This plight of humanity saddened him quietly. He had a powerful inner personality. He was so full of life. He possessed so strong will and so highly charged qualities of head and heart that he intellectually never surrendered even under the worst of circumstances. No doubt that the natural romantic vein of the poet did make him gloomy sometimes, but his strong will, purity of soul and sincerity of heart always saved him from getting disappointed. He always remained optimistic and hopeful about the future of man and the mankind as a whole. His philosophy of Khudī (Ego), concept of ‘Ishq (deep involvement) impart courage to man and make him struggle through life with confidence. He reminds man of his status as being the vicegerent of God on earth. In short, he felt anxious about the contemporary world without ever losing hope. He always continued thinking and contemplating and chalking out plans for the future. Betterment of man’s lot was always at the centre of his thoughts. He constantly thought about the reconstruction of the human world. Obviously, it was only possible (and so even today) if a new world order evolved on fresh grounds. He wrote to Syed Sulaimān Nadvī, one of the leading scholars of his times and his friend on 15th Jan. 1934:

There is a strange struggle going on all-over the world. Democracy in dying out, and dictatorship is replacing it. Material power is being deified in Germany. A new war is being waged against capitalism. Civilization, especially in Europe, is on its deathbed. To be brief, the whole world order needs a reshuffling. Under these conditions, I would like to know to what extent, in you opinion, can Islam help to formulate a reconstruction? Kindly let me know your point of view on this topic.[14]

It must be borne in mind that Iqbal has returned from a tour of Europe just one year prior to this script. The impressions of what he saw in Europe was quite fresh in his mind.[15] His masterpiece poem, The Mosque of Cordoba bears testimony to his unusual experience. 58 years ago, as Iqbal stood in this city of Cordoba, revitalizing his ideals, his great mind flashed back into centuries that had passed, but his clairvoyance was peeping into the future. He was watching what was yet to come in the perspective of what had been. He was experiencing a wakeful dream.

O Guadalquiver! O thou waters eternally flowing

On thy bank a dreamer stands and dreams of an age to be.

The coming times though lie hid in the womb of destiny

To my gaze laid bare and exposed in its renascent dawn.[16]

Seen in the proper context of the poem, there remains no doubt that this dream was about the re-awakening of the Muslim Ummah, for the sake of welfare of humanity as a whole and about forging a new order for the world. Iqbal found all the three interconnected. After the failure of Communism and Capitalism, the Muslim Ummah could pay a key role in formulating a new world order and rehabilitating the human dignity. Because this Ummah possesses a moral code of life based on divine revelation instead of human conjectures. As a result of a life-long contemplation and philosophical research, Iqbal had concluded that Islam possessed the potential to guide the wandering humanity towards its goal.[17] The acute problem facing him however, was the fact that the Muslim Ummah, in most parts of the world, was not only under the subjugation of colonialism, but also suffered from an overall moral decline.

Although Iqbal left behind no clear-cut outline of any plan for a new world order, yet one is astonished to observe that the changes that have taken place during the second half of the twentieth century in Iran, Afghanistan, Central Asia, Eastern Europe, indeed all over the world, which are still continuing, reflect to a great extent Iqbal’s hopes and dreams.

Through his prophetic poetry, Iqbal struggled for the fulfilment of the Muslim destiny, which is the key to human destiny. It was he, who suggested the concept of an independent state in the northwest of the sub-continent, which could serve as a centre for Islam in India. In a letter to Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah, Iqbal stated that the solution to the problems of Indian Muslims lay in the implementation of the Islamic Sharī‘ah, which could only be done in a free Muslim state.[18] With the establishment of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan on 14th August 1947,one of Iqbal’s dreams was fulfilled. His vision however, was not confined to the Indo-Pak subcontinent. In the northwest he pinned his hopes on Afghanistan as well. Just a year after his return from Spain, he had a chance to spend a few days in Afghanistan, where he felt a re-awakening. Afghans, to his mind, were a valiant nation who unfortunately lacked discipline and a powerful centre.[19] He considered Afghanistan to be the Balkans of Asia and believed that a strong Afghanistan could be a source of strength for Muslims in India and Central Asia.[20]

In Javīd Nāmah Iqbal says:

Asia is like a human body, made of Water and Clay,

And the Afghan nation in that body is like the heart!

If there is in Afghanistan, it means for the whole of Asia!

But if Afghan prospers, it would bode well for the entire

continent ![21]

To best wishes of Iqbal, an in total in conformity with his expectations, the Afghans rose against the Russian invasion (Dec.1979) and succeeded through an unprecedented and epoch-making resistance to drive the Russian back across the river Āmū. Is it not a fact that the failure of the Communism in Russia, the cessation of the Baltic States from the USSR, the independence of the Eastern Europe, the removal of the Berlin Wall, the Union of Germany and the changes that ensued consequent upon the shameful retreat of Russia from Afghanistan? It is these epoch-making changes which are now forcing upon the United States the urgent need of a new world order. All these are nothing but the offshoots of the Afghan Jihad (struggle). Afghanistan has successfully crossed the turbulent waters and is reaching the tranquil shores.

Further, Iqbal had been fixing his gaze upon Central Asia. Even after the Communist occupation the people of Samarkand and Bukhara, continued putting resistance against it. Anwar Pāshā marched all the way from Turkey to participate in this struggle for freedom. Iqbal also showed keen interest in it. Consequent upon a news (which proved a rumour) that Anwar Pāshā had reached Bukhara and the Turkistan had become independent, Iqbal expressed great pleasure.[22]

Actually, Iqbal had a deep emotional attachment with the Turks. He considered Turkistan to be the heart of Asia, and expressed the hope that: “If the heart gains independence, the rest of the limbs too will be able to shake of their change gradually”.[23] This hope of Iqbal may better be seen with the perspective of present day situation in the Muslim States of Central Asia, where on the streets Iqbal’s verses are echoing as slogans and these states are on their way to gain independence from the USSR.

In the Iranian revolution (1979),[24] the Afghan resistance (1979-1989) and the re-awakening in Central Asia a certain amount of influence exerted be Iqbal’s poetry can easily be traced. The same influence is now manifesting in itself in the resistance in Kashmir too, where Iqbal’s dream can be expected to come true. India is trying hard to crush the struggle in Kashmir militarily. It is an eternal tragedy that almost no lessons are ever learnt from history by individuals as well as the nations.[25] India is no match to the military power of Russia based on her nuclear technology and an in exhaustible store of weapons. But even with all that might of arms Russia had to pay very heavily for its imprudent use of force in Afghanistan.

The withdrawal of colonial rule from Asia and Africa, the independence of the Muslim states in both these continents, the breakdown of Communism in Russia, the failure of the Communistic hegemony in Eastern Europe, the resurgence of the Muslim world all bear out Iqbal’s optimism to be far from hollow idealism. In 1923 Iqbal said: “The internal unrest of world’s nations is the fore-runner of a great spiritual and cultural revolution”.[26] Now, half a century after his death, the circumstances have come closer to a world order, Iqbal would have proposed. The Palestinian issue, and the stubbornness of Israel on this issue is, however, the major obstacle in the way of translating into reality a new world order, based on true justice. Iqbal was keenly interested in this issue. It is interesting to note that as far back as the thirties, he observed that the issue is not going to be solved easily and it will take time. However, he hoped that ultimately solution must emerge.[27] As seen in his poetry, Iqbal’s attitude towards West was generally of vehement criticism with a note of disappointment and it was quite natural. For example, on the Palestinian issue, the West in general, and America in particular, showed unmistakable partiality. In life manner, the West tried to keep the East and particularly the Muslim community from all developments through a very unfair political game and colonial subjugation. Iqbal, however also had a reconciliatory mood towards the West. He believed in the following saying of the Prophet of Islam Muhammad (Peace be upon him): ‘Wisdom is the lost property of the believer’. He saw no harm in availing the Western advancement in learning and its technical superiority, without succumbing to its external glamour.[28] This attitude shows an extraordinary balance of mind.

But what is the role of the West today? The USA which is considered to be the representative of the world civilization and the so-called sole super power of the contemporary world is bent upon imposing a new world order serving nothing except the American interests on the global level and also the interests of Israel in the Middle East. That is why this New World Order has been quite aptly been called the Jew World Order. In this perspective, Iqbal is justified to concentrate all his hopes on the East. Actually what he wanted was that the Eastern nations in general, and the Muslims in particular, should come forward to play their role in formulating a new world order.[29] This amounts a grave responsibility resting on the shoulders of the Muslim community. Notwithstanding a certain wave of reawakening amongst the Muslims, they have also shown signs of further decadence in certain aspects during the twentieth century. This decadence has been discussed by Iqbal quite frequently and he has tried to suggest plans to overcome this dilemma. He emphasized the need of Ijtihād (exercise of discretion) and a reconstruction of the Islamic Jurisprudence in order to meet the intellectual challenge of the present day world. He wished an intrinsic change in the Muslim community that could lead it to a self-consciousness and self-reliance.[30] The biggest difficulty is that without developing and understanding Islam, Iqbal’s concept of a world order cannot be comprehended. The influence of clergy, inherited from the medieval age, the heritage of crusades and the confusions created by some Orientalists have been keeping the West from acquiring a true understanding of Islam. To quote Iqbal: “Islam, has not been introduced properly as yet”[31] meaning thereby that the curtain between Muslim and non-Muslim world has to be raised. Iqbal visualises Islam as a very vast religion. In one of his lectures he says:

The spirit of Islam is so broad that it is practically boundless. With the exception of atheistic ideas alone it has assimilated all the attainable ideas of surrounding peoples, and given them its own peculiar directions of development.[32]

To Iqbal’s mind a new world order can attain meaning and success only of it is honestly based on truth and justice, away from all ethnic, linguistic or geographical compartmentalization.[33] According to him:

National unity too is not a very durable force. Only one unity is dependable and that unity is brotherhood of man, which is above race, nationality, colour or language.[34]

The glory of man occupies important place in the World Order as conceived by Iqbal. He believed that the whole world is the family of God,[35] so man can be maintained on this earth only by honouring mankind.

The Question remains how, under the existing circumstances, can it be possible to formulate a world order reflecting the aspirations of Iqbal? Looking around us today we do not feel much encouraged. The very concept of veto for the big powers is itself a partiality. Through this, UNO betrays justice. The fascinating dreams which Iqbal had about a happy and contented life and the beautiful ideals of liberty, equality and fraternity cannot possibly be materialized in any so-called New World Order which ignores the aspirations of the bigger world community and enforces itself through nuclear threat, military power and the superiority of weapons in order to safe guard certain vested interests.

The failure of such a based order is quite obvious. Towards the end of his years, Iqbal has posed a question in one of his statements asking how many centuries would it take humanity to come out of these ills and to reach the apogee of human possibilities.[36]It is for us to furnish the answer of this question and especially for those who are at the helm of affairs in today’s world. We may sum up with a verse from Iqbal that needs much contemplation in the present day world order.

The essence of humanity is respect of man.

And thou shalt do well to make careful note of this important point.[37]

This may as well be considered a motto of the world order Iqbal could have possibly proposed. We may conclude our discussion with Iqbal’s own words.

Let us pray that God Almighty may grant humanity to those, who are in places of power and government and teach them to cherish mankind.[38]

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

'Cobra's Anger' strikes Taliban

Key Battleground; U.S., British, Afghan troops attack Helmand
Jennie Matthew, Agence France-Presse
Published: Saturday, December 05, 2009

U.S. troops in Afghanistan's Helmand Province in July. A major offensive was launched in Helmand yesterday.​

More than 1,000 U.S., British, and Afghan troops launched a major offensive in a key battleground of southern Afghanistan yesterday, only days after President Barack Obama unveiled a new strategy to end the war.

NATO said the offensive was designed to crush terrorists around a major town in Helmand in order to allow development to begin and civilians to return, key elements of Mr. Obama's decision to deploy 30,000 new U.S. troops to Afghanistan.

About 900 U.S. Marines and sailors, British troops and more than 150 Afghan soldiers and police were taking part in Operation Khareh Cobra, or "Cobra's Anger" in the valley of Now Zad.

Hundreds of Marines were dropped by aircraft into the north of the valley, while a large force of soldiers pushed northward from the town of Now Zad to sandwich the Taliban between the two forces.

"More than 1,000 ISAF personnel partnered with Afghan national security forces began a long-planned operation in northern Helmand province to clear insurgent forces from a key area," the military said.

For the first time in Afghanistan, U.S. troops used Osprey aircraft -- which have features of both a helicopter and a fixed-wing plane-- to fly waves of Marines into the valley.

Also for the first time, combat engineers deployed the "Assault Breacher," a tracked armoured vehicle built on a tank chassis. It was being used to clear a path through improvised minefields.

Major William Pelletier, from Camp Leatherneck in Helmand, told CNN the valley is "a major through-route" for transporting fighters and munitions from east to west and north to south. Terrorists have mined the region, and troops intend to provide enough security for the Afghan government and nongovernmental organizations to begin clearing the mines and roadside bombs so they can repopulate the town.

"So far, four Taliban dead bodies were left behind on the battlefield. But enemy casualties could be higher," said Daud Ahmadi, a spokesman for the Helmand governor, adding scores of mines and a cache of explosives were seized.

Yusuf Ahmadi, a Taliban spokesman, said the rebels were fighting back and claimed they had inflicted losses on the soldiers.

Helmand produces about 50% of the world's opium. Its largely unguarded southern border with Pakistan is a route for the illicit drug trade and a steady supply of Taliban recruits and supplies.

"Now Zad was once Helmand's second-largest city, but is now empty due to years of fighting," said NATO's International Security Assistance Force.

Yesterday's operation is smaller than that launched in July by 4,000 U.S. Marines in Helmand, where British troops have struggled for years to rein in an increasingly virulent Taliban insurgency.

"This is a significant operation," Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman told reporters.

The offensive was not connected to the troop surge announced by Mr. Obama "but this operation is consistent with the strategy the President laid out," as it focuses on protecting population centres.

Under Mr. Obama's troop buildup, the Marine Corps is expected to deploy up to 9,000 forces in Helmand, said Lieutenant Josh Diddams, a spokesman for the Marines.

That would double the American military presence in the province.

Yesterday, suspected Taliban fired at least one

rocket into western Afghanistan's biggest airport, disrupting flights but causing no casualties, a sign the insurgency is spreading into once-peaceful parts of the country.

'Cobra's Anger' strikes Taliban

 

[ya'seenhamza]

Its best that Taliban loses this war, rather than the Americans.

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Wishful thinking,never gonna happen.The real taliban under the leadership of mulla Omar have nothing to do with what is happening in Pakistan.Those who have taken on the name are nothing more than stooges of the dajjalic forces,and they have just one purpose........to dismantle the only nuclear muslim nation.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

Before officially recognising the Taliban the US is going to give it a one last effort to destroy them .
I think given the time frame its impossible for Gen Mcchrystal to win a war and then organise the corrupt ANA to a level where they can inherit this war successfully ..

 

[waraich66]

Marines fire opening salvo to retake Helmand
By Bill RoggioDecember 5, 2009 12:25 AM
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Marines and sailors with Company L, 3rd Battalion, 4th Marine Regiment, patrol the area outside Now Zad, Afghanistan, with members of the Afghan National Army and Afghan National Police. Photo by Corporal Zachary Nola.

US Marines backed by Afghan forces have launched the opening salvo in an operation designed to dislodge the Taliban from central and northern Helmand province.

More than 900 US Marines, sailors and British troops, backed by 150 Afghan soldiers and police, have launched operation Cobra's Anger in the northern district of Now Zad, according to the US military. Tribal militias are also playing a role, a US military intelligence official told The Long War Journal.

US Marines from the 3rd Battalion, 4th Marine Regiment, Regimental Combat Team 7, and the 3rd Reconnaissance Battalion air assaulted behind Taliban lines into the northern Now Zad Valley. Another force pushed northward from the city of Now Zad.

The district of Now Zad is considered to be under the control of the Taliban. The city of Now Zad is largely deserted and has a company of Marines and Afghan forces facing off against a dug-in Taliban force.

Four Taliban fighters have been killed in Cobra's Anger, while US and Afghan troops have discovered more than 300 roadside bombs, The Associated Press reported.

Marines put off the operation until they could confirm that additional forces would be deployed to the province to capitalize on any potential gains. President Barack Obama settled on a surge of more than 30,000 US forces, of which 9,000 Marines are heading to Helmand. NATO is expected to send more than 7,000 additional troops.

A regiment of Marines is already preparing to deploy to Afghanistan in the next several weeks. "They're going to hit the ground running, they'll be pushed right out to take on the Taliban," a US Marine officer told The Long War Journal.

Cobra's Anger is the first in a series of operations designed to strangle the Taliban's support networks in northern and central Helmand. The ultimate goal is to lay siege to the town of Marja, the Taliban's main operations hub as well a major narcotics hub.

Marja is on the western side of the Helmand river, close to the provincial capital of Lashkar Gah. Thousands of Taliban fighters are thought to have fled to Marja after the Marines launched operations in the districts of Nawa, Garmser, and Reg in southern Helmand province last summer during Operation Dagger.

"We may have to take Marja like we took Fallujah," a senior US military intelligence official told The Long War Journal. The city of Fallujah in Iraq's western Anbar province was wrested from the control of al Qaeda in Iraq and allied Sunni insurgents during a two-week-long operation in November 2004.

The districts of Sangin, Washir, and Baghran are also considered under Taliban control.

"There is a Salafist community in Sangin," the official said, referring to the group of Islamists who advocate waging violent jihad. The Taliban's leadership in northern Helmand is in what the official referred to as the "Sangin pocket."

Washir and Baghran are considered less problematic, as the tribal leaders there largely sided with the Taliban out of weakness. "These are largely 'small t' Taliban," the official said. "Absent government protection, they had little choice but to side with the Taliban."

The tribes in Washir and Baghran are taxed by the Taliban and provide recruits, but do not conduct attacks. "If we can take down the Sangin pocket, then support for the Taliban in these districts will dry up."

"Sangin and Marja are key," the official said.

Another focus of the upcoming operation will be the southern Helmand town of Baramcha.

The smuggler's town of Baramcha sits on the border of Pakistan's Baluchistan province. Weapons, bomb materials, drugs, cash, and Taliban and al Qaeda fighters pass through the region. Baramcha is considered under Taliban control.

Read more: Marines fire opening salvo to retake Helmand - The Long War Journal

 

[Awesome]

Agree with most of your points. But US is wrong when it invaded Afghanistan.

Back in 80s when Russia was in Afghanistan that too on the invitation of Afghan prez/king the Americans have sold the notion that it was an Invasion by Russia and thus US made freedom righters now when US had invaded Afghanistan then i dont see Americans should be let go away with wrong notion of liberating Afghanistan.

This is also an invasion.

If tomorrow US attacks Pakistan then i would not mind creating blowing caders to kick the US out of my land.

Its the same for every country. No one wants an invader in his house.

The US government has been wrong about a lot of things. I personally believe 9/11 wasn't even that big of an attack to have warranted such a massive war against puny countries like Afghanistan and Iraq. But whether or not the US is wrong or not is not the issue here.

What will be better for Pakistan? A weak unstable Afghanistan or a Taliban ridden suicide bombing HQ Afghanistan? Remember chances are slim that we'd be able keep Taliban in Afghanistan once the Americans leave. Right now a lot of them have a big target of America to fight with. Sooner or later they will start thinking, Okay we can't kill the Americans lets get the next best thing. Pakistanis.

Remember Talibani doctrine teaches them that Pakistanis are Kafirs. Remember the suicide bomber on TV show Jirga? He was from Lahore and trained in Mansehra, he was off the view no one in Pakistan is innocent and we're all wajib-ul-qatal.

I see slim chances that we will be able to fix this situation out by talking alone. Taliban's roots, the Afghani connection has to be severed between our people (not just Pashtuns, since apparently all ethnicities of Pakistanis are somewhat involved) and the Afghan people.

Their genetics may match a lot with our Pashtuns (debatable) but they are now on a whole different path - kill or get killed, there is no civilization, no culture, no arts, no education, no science in their foreseeable future. We have to treat Afghanis like a cancer. Not all will be bad, not even majority, but they are bad enough that we need to cut them out.

 

[Solomon2]

Fundamentalist, the Iqbal article is interesting, but is a little O.T. and really deserves its own thread, don't you agree?

 

[PAFAce]

Man, seriously, what terrific names. "Operation Cobra's Anger", "Operation Strike of the Sword". Absolutely terrific. Hollywood's got nothing on them.

I thought you couldn't top Operation Rah-e-Nijat (Path of Deliverance), especially not with such propagandist and misleading names as "Operation Iraqi Freedom", but damn, was I wrong. All the best USMC, I hope you accomplish results beneficial to all of our common objectives. Maybe you might even run into OBL?

 

[gambit]

Man, seriously, what terrific names. "Operation Cobra's Anger", "Operation Strike of the Sword". Absolutely terrific. Hollywood's got nothing on them.

I thought you couldn't top Operation Rah-e-Nijat (Path of Deliverance), especially not with such propagandist and misleading names as "Operation Iraqi Freedom", but damn, was I wrong. All the best USMC, I hope you accomplish results beneficial to all of our common objectives. Maybe you might even run into OBL?

My source told me the original name was 'Operation Pissed-Off The Marines And You Die' and it was rejected after much debate.

 

[deathfromabove]

My source told me the original name was 'Operation Pissed-Off The Marines And You Die' and it was rejected after much debate.

I thought it was Operation Deep Sh*t, Time to Bail - Again. No?

 

[Seadog1]

I thought it was Operation Deep Sh*t, Time to Bail - Again. No?

I hear the Talbian are calling it..

Wherz-Myroof
Mykamel-Izded
OKraph-Dissizbad
Waddi-El-Izgowinon
Pleez-Ztopdibomin
Kizz-Yerbuht-Goodbi
Ikantstan-Disnomore
Wha-Tahel-Wazi-Tinkin
Myturbin-Izburnin

Take your pick..