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US-India nuke deal: 1.. 2 ..3..go
22 Jul 2007, 0001 hrs IST,Chidanand Rajghatta,TNN


WASHINGTON: It took 300 working hours for Indian and American technical experts to put together a 30-page document that constitutes the so-called 123 Agreement which will bring into effect the U.S-India civilian nuclear deal.

As the Indian negotiating team caught a United Airlines flight out of Washington Dulles Airport - named after the architect of the Cold War John Foster Dulles - on Friday night, the warm glow and relief of a strategic breakthrough was evident even through such trivia they bandied about.

Technical experts, led by principally by India's S.Jaishankar and U.S' Richard Stratford, met in New Delhi, Washington, Pretoria, and London among other places to hammer out the complex document that is at the heart of the deal.

The quibbled over commas, footnotes, parentheses, and most famously, square brackets [which is diplomatic jargon for contentious portions of a text.]

But at all times, diplomats said, they were conscious of the political will on both sides to consummate the controversial deal that has critics on both sides.

That hard-fought 123 Agreement, still under wraps except for broad outlines, will now be presented before India's Cabinet Committee on Security for a final seal of approval and to the U.S Congress for a yes-no vote before things start rolling.

Officials declined to speak on record about the details of the 123 agreement, but the broad picture sources offered suggests both sides made important concessions to arrive at a mutually acceptable text sans square brackets.

From India's side, there was never any doubt that it would win the right to reprocess spent fuel from the moment it made the offer – a concession - of setting up a dedicated safeguards facility.

The more contentious portion of the agreement related to sanctions and the 'right of return' of materiel and technology in the event of India conducting a nuclear test – a congressionally mandated law that Washington said it could not overwrite.

Instead, sources suggested without getting into details, the agreement included language to work around this situation. The language, which Indian negotiators ensured would preclude a repeat of the Tarapur episode, when US invoked sanctions despite guarantees, is to New Delhi's satisfaction.

One key element in the negotiations that finalised the deal was the direct involvement of representatives from India's scientific establishment. Dr R.B.Grover, Director of Strategic Planning Group in the Department of Atomic Energy, participated in the technical talks and ran the developments by Dr Anil Kakodkar, Chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission.

Kakodkar did not take part in the talks directly, but was a major backroom presence. While the political establishment hopes that this show of consensus will mollify dissenters in the scientific community, the government itself faces the tough task of getting its allies and the opposition on board.

That is why, sources said, it was decided that 123 Agreement would not be released before the CCS had discussed it and the government had briefed allies and key opposition leaders.

In Washington, administration officials are expected to brief key law-makers and their aides on the agreement and bring it up for a final vote soon.

The country's vocal non-proliferation community is expected to raise hell as usual about concessions to India. But the vote in Congress will be a straight up-down, yes-no vote with no amendments allowed, so the administration expects to get it done without too much trouble.

The U.S-India deal ends more than three decades of nuclear isolation for New Delhi, during which time sanctions forced it to develop its own indigenous nuclear industry but also prevented it from tapping into technological advances and exchanges with the rest of the world. With this agreement, India becomes the only country in the world which has not signed the NPT, but can still conduct nuclear trade with the world while retaining its nuclear weapons program.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/US-India_nuke_deal_1_2_3go/articleshow/2223742.cms
 
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India, US seal nuclear agreement
21 Jul 2007, 0130 hrs IST,Chidanand Rajghatta,TNN


WASHINGTON: The United States and India have reached an accord on implementing the civilian nuclear agreement, it was announced here.

A brief joint statement issued at the end of four days of intense negotiations said the matter would now be referred to the respective governments for "for final review." Details of the accord were not spelt out.

"Both the United States and India look forward to the completion of these remaining steps and to the conclusion of this historic Initiative," the joint statement said.

It was not clear if the "remaining steps" referred to any residual issues in the so-called 123 Agreement or to the further steps the two sides have to take beyond that - a referral to the Congress for a final up-and-down vote in the U.S, and for India, signing an additional protocol with the IAEA.

"The discussions were constructive and positive, and both Under Secretary Burns and Foreign Secretary Menon
are pleased with the substantial progress made on the outstanding issues in the 123 agreement. We will now refer the issue to our governments for final review," the statement said.
 
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Cheney takes centerstage in ties with India
22 Jul 2007, 0001 hrs IST,Chidanand Rajghatta,TNN


WASHINGTON: Two of the most enigmatic figures in the Indian government and in the American administration who have had little to do with nuclear issues were involved in talks this week that point to the civilian nuclear deal being part of a deeper strategic engagement between New Delhi and Washington.

U.S vice-president Dick Cheney and India's National Security Advisor M.K.Narayanan have little else in common, except both are taciturn don't speak much to the media. There is also a big gap in their position in the pecking order in their respective country.

Cheney is so powerful in the U.S administration that the joke is that Bush is just a heartbeat away from the Presidency (a reference to four major heart attacks the vice-president has had as much as Bush being perceived as weak.)

On Thursday, when Narayanan called on the U.S vice-president, Cheney was only 48 hours from becoming the de facto U.S President, albeit only for a couple of hours while Bush was to be briefly incapacitated for a colonoscopy procedure.

Narayanan, in contrast, is way down in the pecking order in the Indian government, his National Security Advisor designation being of the rank of a Minister of State. Yet, during his stay in Washington, he met all three cabinet "principals" (Secretary of State Condi Rice, Defense Secretary Robert Gates, and his NSA counterpart Stephen Hadley), topping it with a meeting with the president-in-waiting.

Clearly, there was more to his Washington engagements than the U.S-India nuclear deal. In fact, sources who were in the loop about the Narayan-Cheney meeting told TOI that the call was fixed well-before the second-day impasse in nuclear talks that the vice-president was credited with breaking. The nuke deal found just a passing mention during the half-hour pow-wow, which involved a broader discussion on security matters, including the situation in the Indian neighborhood, they said, without elaborating.

So is the nuke deal part of an overall strategic rearrangement which ties India and U.S in a security partnership? The reply from a high level diplomatic source was precise but cryptic: "The only touchstone is Indian national interest."

But then, everyone has a different spin on what constitutes national interest. With the nuclear talks now completed, attention is shifting to high-level political engagement that is expected to resume. Secretary of State Condoleezza
Rice is slated to visit India shortly, and a return visit to Washington by External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee is also on the cards.

All this will be a prelude to a possible visit of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to Washington for a second time before the end of the Bush presidency.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ge_in_ties_with_India/articleshow/2223682.cms
 
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Big deal: Both sides happy


NEW DELHI: It was an exhausted group of negotiators and strategists from India who wearily trudged out of the state department offices on Friday.

Until M K Narayanan grabbed Indian diplomat Raminder Jassal, and hugged him. Even the normally dour R B Grover, chief of the strategic plans division of the department of atomic energy, smiled.

The final hours were not about the big ticket items - which had been agreed on in the early days of the talks. It was the little things that could have become big that occupied everybody's waking hours - the conditions, the assurances that ensured the baseline demands of the US and India.

From the Indian side, the star of the show was the national security adviser. For the past four days, it was this non-diplomat who led the Indian negotiations with his counterpart Stephen Hadley, climbing over one obstacle after another.

It was his idea to take along Anil Kakodkar, chief of the DAE, famously described by unnamed US officials as "the 600 lb gorilla", who has led the domestic battle against the nuclear agreement.

The quiet, unobtrusive player in the background was Indian ambassador to the US, Ronen Sen, who has spent many frequent flyer miles trying to change perceptions among sceptics in India and getting key groups of Indian Americans in the US to lean on their Congressmen to bat for India.

Kakodkar was armed with his list of demands. If he didn't get satisfaction on all of them, he got it on over 90% of them, said sources. For instance, the two sides succeeded in quarantining the US's "right of return" from the vagaries of politics that has left the Indians scarred with the memory of Tarapur.

While the US reserves the right to cease cooperation in case India conducts a nuclear test, the agreement reportedly sets out benchmarks or conditions under which cooperation would cease. These conditions would be technical in nature, which will make it much more acceptable to Indians still skittish about this particular provision of US law.

On the US side, the logjam was broken by none other than George Bush. It was Bush who gave political direction on the reprocessing issue, and it was Hadley and Condoleeza Rice's job to put it in acceptable terms. The Cheney vote of confidence was important for the negotiators, but there is no Cheney stamp on the agreement so that it is more acceptable to the Democrat side of the aisle in the US Congress, which gives final nod to the deal.

The agreement, according to sources, when it is unveiled will be unique. It gives nuclear privileges to a single country, India, which is not only not a member of the NPT, or P-5 or even a member of the NSG
. A nuclear outlaw, whose actions in 1974 actually crafted the existing global non-proliferation regime, from the NSG to the 1978 NNPA, these laws were targeted at India.

Thus, beyond the commas and the reprocessing, the real significance of the 123 agreement lies here - a rollback of history, so to speak, by the perpetrator of the existing regime for the regime's target. The importance is greater because it comes at a time when glaring nuclear aberrations abound - in North Korea and Iran. Remember, it was Iran that led the campaign as recently as last September in the 60th anniversary of the UN to ask India to sign up to the NPT. Conceptually, therefore, the 123 was a difficult task.

Just turning the clock around was more than a leap of faith for many believers of the existing order. For others, it was inconceivable that India should be the beneficiary of such privileges. In India, the protests were a mirror image. There were those who advocated India's nuclear confinement, interpreting it as sovereignty. There were those who believed it wouldn't happen because it sounded too good to be true and the US was notoriously unreliable.

It was, therefore, left to the Prime Minister and his often diffident determination. Negotiated in two years, it's still one of the quickest 123 texts ever. But as Richard Stratford, US' top negotiator, told the Indian delegation the last time, "It's the hardest one I have ever done." According to a delegation member, the Indians at the table beamed with pride.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...deal_Both_sides_happy/articleshow/2223818.cms
 
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When it comes to negotations and strength in our foriegn policy...lol..our boys kick ***.....lol
 
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When it comes to negotations and strength in our foriegn policy...lol..our boys kick ***.....lol

I think the The Times of India tends to be over optimistic and unduly generious about India so I will wait for the fine print to see how the US clobbered New Delhi into submission.

Sorry to burst your bubble ......
 
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Yes, YES, hOW India got clobbered...lol
Coming from a failed state, all i see is jealousy....beyond doubt.
I guess when Times of India writes bad about india, then i guess they are wrong there too..i thought you might have quit being an idiot by now
 
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The Times of India only berates India's neighbours. Why should BD be jealous? We have seen how the US uses its allies or partners so we are in the comfortable position of not having either type of pressure but we remain a strategically situated country not only for the US but also several other major powers.

As I said earlier let us see the fine print to the deal before you start blowing your own trumpet.
 
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This deal will further damp down US own efforts of propaganda against Iranian nuclear development, as it is obviously exercising double standards.
 
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India and Pakistan are not a signatory to the NPT while Iran is.
China, India and Russia voted against their ally Iran for a reason
 
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I am sceptical of the nuke deal to tell you the truth. I dont know whether it will be good or bad. There is more to it than is reported in the media.
 
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This deal will further damp down US own efforts of propaganda against Iranian nuclear development, as it is obviously exercising double standards.

Do as we say don't do as we do.:rofl:

IAm willing to bet Russians will not be happy with this(excellent) as iam sure during his last visit Putin offered Indians Russians civilians reactors.i guess this must feel like getting hit between the legs for Russians.

congratulation to our Indian friends no doubt Indians are good negotiators.
 
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Do as we say don't do as we do.:rofl:

IAm willing to bet Russians will not be happy with this(excellent) as iam sure during his last visit Putin offered Indians Russians civilians reactors.i guess this must feel like getting hit between the legs for Russians.

congratulation to our Indian friends no doubt Indians are good negotiators.

Why would the Russian be unhappy about this? And what makes you think India wont buy Russian reactors?
 
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Why would the Russian be unhappy about this? And what makes you think India wont buy Russian reactors?

1)Money:azn:
2)Money:rofl:
If india was going to buy Russian reactors they wouldnt have been negotiating with Americans:crazy: .
 
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