US-China tech war: semiconductor troubles cloud Beijing’s efforts for self-sufficiency as US mulls tougher sanctions

[F-22Raptor]

90% of the market is in 7nm and older nodes. China can produce up to 7nm with the SMEE immersion DUV lithography. With an improved light source, the next immersion DUV lithography will be able to fab up to 5nm. That is good enough to cover pretty much 95% of the market.

That is all without requiring the EUV.

You severely underestimate China’s semiconductor capabilities.

Hate to break it to you, but China is a nobody in the world of semiconductor technology and the Chinese know it. Only a handful of companies matter and they happen to all be US based or US allies. The US controls all the bottlenecks.

 

[GumNaam]

China did an unforgivable crime in the eyes of the West... doing well for itself without being subservient ( like Japan Or SK.
While previously they fooled the world with subtlety ( democracy, HR), as China rises relentlessly they are forced to become more and more blatant in desperation,exposing themselves of their true intentions.
Eg was their banning of Huawei on
" security " grounds. When it didn't work as they expected, they piled on one Chinese company after another till now everyone and their granma knows they just want to stop China somehow, anyhow.
Except for the burst of science and technology, Western civilization is the most destructive and evil in recorded history. Every right thinking person on the earth ( including Westerners) should welcome any force that will moderate this evil influence.
That's why, even though my country is not a friend of China I wish them success. And succeed they will, they have all the trappings of a relatively benign , powerful and mature civilization. CCP is just a badge, tomorrow if they change tags they will do just as well.

it is not the west's place to decide what is and what is not a crime let alone an unforgivable one. the sooner the west tips its hat and sits in the back seat, the sooner they will minimize the otherwise unavoidable pains they are destining themselves to suffer.


history has taken a u-turn and they are on the wrong side.

 

[Beidou2020]

Hate to break it to you, but China is a nobody in the world of semiconductor technology and the Chinese know it. Only a handful of companies matter and they happen to all be US based or US allies. The US controls all the bottlenecks.

You confuse having market share with technical capabilities.

China has solved the DUV lithography bottleneck. Lithography machine is the only bottleneck China has in the fabrication of chips.

Do you understand what I am saying to you right now?

 

[GumNaam]

https://min.news/en/digital/6b641aedc67b80e728c9050f0142b5d0.html

I remember here on this very forum that some yankee doodle dandy monkeys like our baby raptor here were laughing a mere 5 years ago that China can't even develop a lithography machine to manufacture 200nm chip and yet, here we are...

at this pace, I wouldn't be least bit surprised if by this time next, year, we could be reading about a Chinese manufactured EUV lithography machine and Chinese 2nm chips. alas, for a nation whose industrial and technological base dwarfs u.s. japan and e.u. combined, I don't find it hard to believe that all the tens and thousands of parts needed to make 28nm lithography machine were all provided by domestic Chinese companies...european companies are right to panic, they should channel their anger towards that ol pervert uncle sam who turned the biggest customer into thy biggest competitor.

 

[somsak]

https://min.news/en/digital/6b641aedc67b80e728c9050f0142b5d0.html

I remember here on this very forum that some yankee doodle dandy monkeys like our baby raptor here were laughing a mere 5 years ago that China can't even develop a lithography machine to manufacture 200nm chip and yet, here we are...
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at this pace, I wouldn't be least bit surprised if by this time next, year, we could be reading about a Chinese manufactured EUV lithography machine and Chinese 2nm chips. alas, for a nation whose industrial and technological base dwarfs u.s. japan and e.u. combined, I don't find it hard to believe that all the tens and thousands of parts needed to make 28nm lithography machine were all provided by domestic Chinese companies...european companies are right to panic, they should channel their anger towards that ol pervert uncle sam who turned the biggest customer into thy biggest competitor.

Fake news.

 

[F-22Raptor]

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You confuse having market share with technical capabilities.

China has solved the DUV lithography bottleneck. Lithography machine is the only bottleneck China has in the fabrication of chips.

Do you understand what I am saying to you right now?

No it hasn’t solved it Beidou, and the Chinese openly admit it.

 

[patero]

No it hasn’t solved it Beidou, and the Chinese openly admit it.

I watched a good clip last week about SMEE and why it is 10-15 years behind ASML.