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Is pakistani army fully on US side..?? Read this.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article4926401.ece

Taliban leader killed by SAS was Pakistan officer

Christina Lamb in Kabul
British officials covered up evidence that a Taliban commander killed by special forces in Helmand last year was in fact a Pakistani military officer, according to highly placed Afghan officials.

The commander, targeted in a compound in the Sangin valley, was one of six killed in the past year by SAS and SBS forces. When the British soldiers entered the compound they discovered a Pakistani military ID on the body.

It was the first physical evidence of covert Pakistani military operations against British forces in Afghanistan even though Islamabad insists it is a close ally in the war against terror.

Britain’s refusal to make the incident public led to a row with the Afghan president Hamid Karzai, who has long accused London of viewing Afghanistan through the eyes of Pakistani military intelligence, which is widely believed to have been helping the Taliban.

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“He feels he has been telling everyone about Pakistan for the past six years and here was the evidence, yet London refused to release it, because they care more about their relations with Islamabad than Kabul,” said a source close to the president. “He knows Britain is worried about inflaming its large Pakistani population, but that is no excuse.”

So furious was Karzai that he threatened to expel British diplomats. When some months later he was informed by the governor of Helmand that British officials were secretly negotiating with the Taliban, he expelled two men and accused Britain of wanting to set up a training camp for former Taliban fighters.

Karzai will visit London next month for talks with Gordon Brown in an attempt to repair the strained relations between the two countries.

“He is very sad about the breakdown of relations with Britain,” said the source. “He loves British culture and poetry, had a British education [at a school in India], likes tea in the afternoon and thinks Gordon Brown is a very decent man, not a cheat.”

British officials in Kabul refused to comment on the allegation that they had covered up the discovery of a Pakistani soldier. They insisted Karzai’s government had been informed of the negotiations with the Taliban, adding that “the camp was just a place for them to be reintegrated, learn about hygiene and things”.

During the war against the Soviet Union in the 1980s, officers from Pakistani military intelligence regularly accompanied Afghan mujaheddin inside Afghanistan and directed operations.

The Afghan claims of Pakistani involvement in Helmand were backed by a senior United Nations official who said he had been told by his superiors to keep quiet after Pakistan’s ambassador to the UN apparently threatened to stop contributing forces to peacekeeping missions. Pakistan is the UN’s biggest supplier of peacekeeping troops.

The coalition’s refusal to confront Pakistan changed after the bombing of the Indian embassy in Kabul last July, when 41 people were killed. According to both British and US intelligence, phone intercepts led directly back to an Afghan cell of Pakistan’s military intelligence.

The past month has seen US forces carry out bombings and a ground raid on Pakistani territory. Claims of Pakistan’s involvement were rejected by Asif Durrani, the country’s chargé d’affaires in Kabul. “Afghanistan wants to blame someone else for its problems and Pakistan is just the whipping boy,” he said.

However, repeated accusations from Karzai about Pakistan’s active support for the Taliban have been backed by a senior US marine officer.

Lieutenant-Colonel Chris Nash, who commanded an embedded training team in eastern Afghanistan from June 2007 to March this year, told the Army Times that Pakistani forces flew repeated helicopter missions into Afghanistan to resupply a Taliban base camp during a fierce battle in June last year. Nash said: “We were on the receiving end of Pakistani military D-30 [a howitzer]. On numerous occasions Afghan border police checkpoints and observation posts were attacked by Pakistani military forces.”

Comments by Brigadier Mark Carleton-Smith in The Sunday Times last week that a decisive military victory against the Taliban was not possible and negotiations should be opened have received widespread backing.

General Jean-Louis Georgelin, France’s military chief, said: “There is no military solution to the Afghan crisis and I totally share this feeling.”

Robert Gates, the US defence secretary, who initially dismissed the brigadier’s comments as “defeatist”, said on Friday that the US was now prepared to back talks with the Taliban.

The deadly toll

— 120 British soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan since 2002

— At least 4,200 Afghans, including 1,450 civilians, have died this year alone

— Total cost of British operations in the Afghan war from 2001 to 2008 has been £3.2 billion
 
Baitulah Mehsood offers men to fight India

Bill Roggio, a US counter-terrorism expert, wrote this week, "Baitullah's commitment to back the government confirms the policy of the Pakistani military and government of creating strategic depth by supporting the Taliban in Afghanistan and a host of Islamist terror groups inside Pakistan and Kashmir. The Pakistanis believe that the terror groups will provide manpower and support in the event of war with India, and that Afghanistan and the mountainous North West Frontier Province would serve as an impenetrable fortress in the rear in case of an Indian invasion."

In public, the Pakistan army, which has fattened itself on assistance from the US to fight Taliban, naturally protests against the suggestion of a clandestine nexus. But a senior Pakistan army official told journalists soon after Mumbai attacks that the military and Taliban were fighting in FATA due to "misunderstandings". "We have only some misunderstandings with Baitullah and Fazlullah. These misunderstandings could be removed through dialogue," he had said. It was later revealed that the army officer was a corps commander.

It seems that the alleged threat from India will serve as the excuse or justification to resolve the "misunderstandings". While this will not surprise India or the US who have viewed Taliban as Pakistan's proxy, an open alliance has reinforced the fear that creeping Talibanisation of Pakistan's establishment has gathered pace.

Fanatical jihadi troopers are moving determinedly out of FATA and into the settled areas of western Pakistan. A US Congress report in November said "so-called settled areas" of Pakistan beyond the tribal regions have come under attack from pro-Taliban militants. Indeed, the "Talibanisation of western Pakistan appears to be ongoing and may now threaten the territorial integrity of the Pakistani state".

While India is a lot more cognizant of this reality, Mehsud's anti-India rhetoric should serve as a wake up call for western governments who still prefer to look at the thin sliver of army leadership who appear to be moderate. They are neither innocent about Pakistan's sponsorship of Taliban or that the collaboration has continued even after Islamabad signed up for the "war on terror". They have, however, winked at evidence of continued camaraderie because of Pakistan's promises of a new beginning and because of their dependence on the Pakistani army for success in Afghanistan.

A few weeks ago, the British press revealed that the UK had hushed up its success in a significant anti-Taliban operation in Afghanistan's Helmand province in 2007 after discovering that the jihadi commander killed was a serving senior level officer in the Pakistan army. His military ID was found on him.

Another US officer, Chris Nash, went on record recently to say Pakistani forces flew repeated helicopter missions into Afghanistan to resupply a Taliban base camp. "On numerous occasions, Afghan border police checkpoints and observation posts were attacked by Pakistani military forces."

Recently, Afghan President Hamid Karzai said he had given GPS coordinates of Mullah Omar to US and Pakistan but nobody took him out. Pakistan's reluctance to act against Taliban should not surprise. It considers the swelling jihadi army as a strategic asset crucial for its ambitions in Afghanistan.

It is the long lance of Pakistan's foreign policy in the region, to keep India unsettled and bring Afghanistan under control. Besides, the facade of fighting the Taliban is the best way the army-ISI establishment can get funds, technology and equipment from the US and Europe. That's a powerful incentive as well. Pakistan's foreign policy games have become profitable -- it's the best way of keeping the army flush.

John Negroponte, US deputy secretary of state said in October, "The US and our allies face near-term challenges from Pakistan's reluctance and inability to roll back terrorist sanctuaries in the tribal region."

That is the reason why the military leadership does not find anything amiss about Mehsud -- accused in the murder of Pakistani President Asif Zardari's wife Benazir Bhutto -- saying that his militia would fight alongside the army against India.

Pak whips itself into war frenzy-India-The Times of India
 
This is an old story already discussed in another thread and proven to be BS.
 
figures are not correct they have killed alot Taliban are devoted fighters unlike US Army just thier to get a pay check.
 
I offered my thoughts on this article here.

I'm not so sure about the B.S. Christine Lamb is a superb reporter and not given to nonsense.
 
If its a choice between the US army and the taliban.....i pick the taliban.

Pakistan is doing a good job of looking after its own interest first and backing the taliban.
The pak officer that was martyred is a hero.:pakistan:
 
"The pak officer that was martyred is a hero.":pakistan:

Just to be clear, it's fools like him that will destroy Pakistan.

dabong1, you're certainly no patriot with your haste to see at war with it's neighbors.

Let's hope you and that Pakistani officer are wrong and your civilian government is correct.

The implied alternatives are stark.
 
"The pak officer that was martyred is a hero.":pakistan:

Just to be clear, it's fools like him that will destroy Pakistan.

dabong1, you're certainly no patriot with your haste to see at war with it's neighbors.

Let's hope you and that Pakistani officer are wrong and your civilian government is correct.

The implied alternatives are stark.

Zardari is a dictator if you havent figured it out yet.
 
When Taliban was created, a lot of Pakistani freedom fighters went over to fight, but they did not have a ticket back home. From these Taliban fighters that went to Afghanistan during the Russian invasion a lot were Pakistani soldiers.
 
first of all the question is who are talibans. are they so many that u have been killing them since last 7 yrs but still they have got 70% control of afghanistan. talibans are mostly afghan public. when they rise against US, US gives them the name of taliban, al qaida, fanatics, extremists, etc etc. now the question which rises over here is wat justifies there fight against US and other western troops. if they dont have any justification then i would agree with u that they are terrorists and should not be supported. to answer this, i will again raise some questions:
1: did US not invade their country and bombed it back to stone age?
2: did US troops not kill their mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, partners and childrens?
3: even after 7 yrs, isnt US still killing civilians on daily basis?
4: which number do u think is greater? total number of afghans killed so far or total number of so called talibans?
once u decide not to be biased and try to answer these questions then i guess you would porbably say muslims who support afghans in their freedom struggle are right.
western world cant have a gud relation with ppl of any single muslim country without treating other muslim countries justly. once u understand that, muslims will start respecting u.
 
If its a choice between the US army and the taliban.....i pick the taliban.

Pakistan is doing a good job of looking after its own interest first and backing the taliban.
The pak officer that was martyred is a hero.:pakistan:

What are you saying..! Aren't Taliban fighting against Pakistan as well, haven't they claimed to take over entire Pak, they are the biggest danger to the stability in this region. See, once Pak has decided to join US in fight against Taliban then these reports of an insider from Pak army joining Taliban rank doesn't go down well.

Didn't Bush say recently that the info given to Pak army about air strikes against Taliban are reaching latter.

Also look at this:

Source of the News: clipped from: ap.google.com

The study by the RAND Corp. also warned that the U.S. will face “crippling, long-term consequences” in Afghanistan if Taliban sanctuaries in Pakistan are not eliminated.


“Every successful insurgency in Afghanistan since 1979 enjoyed safe haven in neighboring countries, and the current insurgency is no different,” said the report’s author, Seth Jones. “Right now, the Taliban and other groups are getting help from individuals within Pakistan’s government, and until that ends, the region’s long-term security is in jeopardy.”
some active and former officials in Pakistan’s intelligence service and the Frontier Corps — a Pakistani paramilitary force deployed along the Afghan border — provided direct assistance to Taliban militants and helped secure medical care for wounded fighters.
Pakistani intelligence agents providing information to Taliban fighters, even “tipping off Taliban forces about the location and movement of Afghan and coalition forces
 
What are you saying..! Aren't Taliban fighting against Pakistan as well, haven't they claimed to take over entire Pak, they are the biggest danger to the stability in this region. See, once Pak has decided to join US in fight against Taliban then these reports of an insider from Pak army joining Taliban rank doesn't go down well.

Answer a simple question.....is mullah omar the leader of the taliban?....if you agree that he is the leader of the taliban.when did mullah omar send any fighters to attack the pak army.




Didn't Bush say recently that the info given to Pak army about air strikes against Taliban are reaching latter.

Also look at this:

Source of the News: clipped from: ap.google.com

The study by the RAND Corp. also warned that the U.S. will face “crippling, long-term consequences” in Afghanistan if Taliban sanctuaries in Pakistan are not eliminated.


“Every successful insurgency in Afghanistan since 1979 enjoyed safe haven in neighboring countries, and the current insurgency is no different,” said the report’s author, Seth Jones. “Right now, the Taliban and other groups are getting help from individuals within Pakistan’s government, and until that ends, the region’s long-term security is in jeopardy.”
some active and former officials in Pakistan’s intelligence service and the Frontier Corps — a Pakistani paramilitary force deployed along the Afghan border — provided direct assistance to Taliban militants and helped secure medical care for wounded fighters.
Pakistani intelligence agents providing information to Taliban fighters, even “tipping off Taliban forces about the location and movement of Afghan and coalition forces

Do you think i give a damn what the americans think?
 
"The pak officer that was martyred is a hero.":pakistan:

Just to be clear, it's fools like him that will destroy Pakistan..

Only the fools from the US army are wasting there lifes fighting a war you are never gong to win.
The pak army officers helping the true taliban are the real heros.

dabong1, you're certainly no patriot with your haste to see at war with it's neighbors...

You seem to forget that i want to merge central and southern afgnaistan with pakistan....a greater NWFP a greater pakistan.

Let's hope you and that Pakistani officer are wrong and your civilian government is correct..

We will look back at these moments in the future and find that people like me and other patriots where right.


The implied alternatives are stark.

Like what.....no more bombings in pakistan.....our second line of defence the jihadi groups back on track......strategic depth achieved in afghanistan ect
 
I would suggest the poster of this thread to find some new crap to carryout his propagnada campaign instead of posting old discredited and apocryphal stories. Is your propagand machinery running out of ideas???????? Talk about propaganda waged by paid computer warriors of glorious republic of hindustan...........:lol:
 
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