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Unhappy Iran wrestler admits he was told to lose match to avoid facing Israeli
Ali Reza Karimi says upon being ordered to throw bout, 'my whole world seemed to come to an end'
By AGENCIES 28 November 2017, 9:56 pm

This file photo taken on August 20, 2016 ,shows USA's J'den Michael Tbory Cox (red) wrestling with Iran's Ali Reza Karimi during a match at the 2016 Olympic Games in Rio de Janeiro. (AFP Photo/Jack Guez)


TEHRAN, Iran — An Iranian wrestler said his managers told him to intentionally lose to a Russian competitor to avoid facing an Israeli wrestler in the next round.

Ali Reza Karimi told the semi-official ISNA news agency late on Monday that only one minute before the end of a Sunday round of the U-23 World Championship in Poland his coaches told him to throw the match to avoid facing an Israeli wrestler.

“In a moment, my whole world seemed to come to an end,” he said.

Israel and Iran are bitter adversaries and Iranian athletes traditionally refrain from competing against Israelis. Iran’s government usually rewards such behavior.

Karimi told ISNA that he was beating Russian Alikhan Zhabrailov when coaches told him to lose.

“I tried hard for months to get the world gold medal,” he said. “Achieving a world medal is the only happiness for any of us.”

A statement from Iran’s sport ministry praised Karimi for supporting “human values.”





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Iranian wrestler Alireza Karimi about to beat Russian, but will have to face Israeli next round. His coach his calling him from the sidelines, telling him to “lose.” Iran forbids its athletes to play Israeli’s. Iranian wrestler gives up.

8:42 AM - Nov 27, 2017

Iran has had a long-time policy of avoiding Israelis in athletic competitions, frequently at the expense of its own competitors. An Iranian swimmer refused to enter the same pool as an Israeli at the Beijing Olympics and in the 2004 Athens Games, an Iranian judoka refused to face an Israeli, resulting in his disqualification.

The last competition between Iranian and Israeli teams on the international level dates back to a wrestling match in 1983 in Kiev, Ukraine.

Occasionally, Iranian players who play for foreign teams have played Israeli teams. In August, Tehran criticized two Iranian soccer players who play for a Greek team for participating in a match against an Israeli team.

Iran does not recognize Israel, and supports anti-Israeli terrorist groups such as the Lebanese Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas.
 
bringing bigotry and politics in sports is unfortunate
The odd thing is that Iran has won world renown for its wrestlers for decades so it's hard to believe that Karimi would be likely to lose. What did his political handlers fear, that an Iranian victory over an Israeli wasn't worth a small risk?
 
That's just sad, this athlete put his blood and sweat to achieving this goal and had to throw it away because some Mullah can't get over his insecurities.
 
huh
Source is times of Israel.

Oh, he was unhappy. Dream on @Solomon2

He is hero of Iranians.
bringing bigotry and politics in sports is unfortunate
Sir,
In sports, one has to respect the opponent, recognize him, play fairly and respect his nationality. Non of them gets applied to that Israeli, the Iranian athlete willingly did it and indirectly announced his support for oppressed Palestinians.

Some links in Persian :
https://www.isna.ir/news/96090703429/از-کی-قرار-شد-با-اسرائیل-مسابقه-ندهیم
https://www.isna.ir/news/96090401967/علیرضا-کریمی-مقابل-حریف-اسرائیلی-کشتی-نگرفت
https://www.mehrnews.com/news/2118822/انصراف-کشتی-گیر-البرزی-از-رویارویی-با-نماینده-اسرائیل-درخشش

No one could force him to do so, in Iran it is up to athlete to decide about it.

Israeli mouthpiece is undermining our hero,
 
huh
Source is times of Israel...Israeli mouthpiece is undermining our hero
I've linked to the TOI article but it's mostly pulled from the usual wire news agencies: I could have picked another instead, the gist would be the same.

In sports, one has to respect the opponent, recognize him, play fairly and respect his nationality. Non of them gets applied to that Israeli -
That's a political pose quite at odds with reality, and you know these sports associations have mechanisms to appeal an athlete's personal misconduct.

the Iranian athlete willingly did it and indirectly announced his support for oppressed Palestinians.
What is your definition of "willing"? What would happen to him if he didn't? Does anyone believe that if he defied his "handlers" and played that he could still maintain an international career, like Dennis Rodman does even after visiting North Korea?

P.S.: can't read Persian.
 
huh
Source is times of Israel.

Oh, he was unhappy. Dream on @Solomon2

He is hero of Iranians.

Sir,
In sports, one has to respect the opponent, recognize him, play fairly and respect his nationality. Non of them gets applied to that Israeli, the Iranian athlete willingly did it and indirectly announced his support for oppressed Palestinians.

Some links in Persian :
https://www.isna.ir/news/96090703429/از-کی-قرار-شد-با-اسرائیل-مسابقه-ندهیم
https://www.isna.ir/news/96090401967/علیرضا-کریمی-مقابل-حریف-اسرائیلی-کشتی-نگرفت
https://www.mehrnews.com/news/2118822/انصراف-کشتی-گیر-البرزی-از-رویارویی-با-نماینده-اسرائیل-درخشش

No one could force him to do so, in Iran it is up to athlete to decide about it.

Israeli mouthpiece is undermining our hero,

Why would he choose to lose? He could win the match and withdraw from the next one. I dont see its likely that he lost on purpose.

The odd thing is that Iran has won world renown for its wrestlers for decades so it's hard to believe that Karimi would be likely to lose. What did his political handlers fear, that an Iranian victory over an Israeli wasn't worth a small risk?

Its embarrassing for Iran to lose to Israel, especially in such masculine sports. Thats why they take no risks Im guessing.
 
Why would he choose to lose? He could win the match and withdraw from the next one. I dont see its likely that he lost on purpose.
Interesting. Do the ISNA articles discuss this possibility?


Its embarrassing for Iran to lose to Israel, especially in such masculine sports. Thats why they take no risks Im guessing.
So a probable win wouldn't give the mullahs enough credit to balance what they feel they could lose in case of an unlikely loss.

The other sport Iranians are renowned for is chess. In chess you take risks to win. Here a pawn was sacrificed to avoid the possibility of a loss. You don't win that way.
 
There is an intense media outrage against this hero, i hope, government will support him financially because he has lost many things to keep his religious oath/spirit.

My salutes to this hero, he made us feel proud.
 
Interesting. Do the ISNA articles discuss this possibility?


So a probable win wouldn't give the mullahs enough credit to balance what they feel they could lose in case of an unlikely loss.

The other sport Iranians are renowned for is chess. In chess you take risks to win. Here a pawn was sacrificed to avoid the possibility of a loss. You don't win that way.

Iran usually withdraws from competitions prior to facing Israel


Arash Miresmaeili, the Iranian world judo champion who carried his country's flag in the opening ceremony of the Olympic Games last night, has pulled out of the tournament rather than fight an Israeli.

The 23-year-old Miresmaeili, twice a winner of the flyweight world title, was matched against Ehud Vaks of Israel in the first round. ''Although I have trained for months and was in good shape, I refused to fight my Israeli opponent to sympathize with the suffering of the people of Palestine and I do not feel upset at all,'' Miresmaeili told the news agency IRNA.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/14/s...an-judo-champion-refuses-to-face-israeli.html

Iranian judo champion Javad Mahjoub will miss the London 2012 Olympics because he needs a 10-day course of antibiotics, according to reports. But few Olympic observers are worried about the health of Mahjoub, 21. Many of them see the withdrawal as a ploy to keep from competing against an Israeli.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetorch/2012/07/25/157348335/irans-judo-champ-withdraws-from-olympics-
ending-chance-of-facing-israeli

Youth Olympic Games 2010: Iranian fighter pulled out of Israeli clash
At the Youth Olympic Games, officials of the Iranian team have forced the withdrawal of their 16 year-old competitior in the under 48kg weight category of taekwondo, Mohammad Soleimani, when he was pitted against a competitor from Israel in the gold medal bout.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ol...nian-fighter-pulled-out-of-Israeli-clash.html

It would be much more heroic had he won the match and then refused to
play Israel because of his believes. No matter what is believes are, if you agree with him or not, you have to respect an athlete that gives up a potential gold medal for something he believes in. But why would he lose the match? Makes no sense.

I cant read Persian very well, so I
didn't read the article.



 
Would you wrestle with isis player if they had team?
rhetorical question. all ISIS members are active terrorists and killers. and they wont even indulge in sports.

same doesn't apply to citizens of Israel. one can condemn and criticize the acts of the state but refusing to meet in arts and cultural and social gatherings or play sports is not helpful.

huh
Source is times of Israel.

Oh, he was unhappy. Dream on @Solomon2

He is hero of Iranians.

Sir,
In sports, one has to respect the opponent, recognize him, play fairly and respect his nationality. Non of them gets applied to that Israeli, the Iranian athlete willingly did it and indirectly announced his support for oppressed Palestinians.

Some links in Persian :
https://www.isna.ir/news/96090703429/از-کی-قرار-شد-با-اسرائیل-مسابقه-ندهیم
https://www.isna.ir/news/96090401967/علیرضا-کریمی-مقابل-حریف-اسرائیلی-کشتی-نگرفت
https://www.mehrnews.com/news/2118822/انصراف-کشتی-گیر-البرزی-از-رویارویی-با-نماینده-اسرائیل-درخشش

No one could force him to do so, in Iran it is up to athlete to decide about it.

Israeli mouthpiece is undermining our hero,
wa-llah ul Ilm. if it was his free will and personal decision even then it would have been better if he has competed with the Israeli player and won in the name of Palestinian cause,

I strongly believe that religious and national hatred should be out of sports. It was cringe-worthy to see an Arab player I think Egyptian refusing to shake with Israeli player after loosing a martial arts match during Brazil Olympics event.

The odd thing is that Iran has won world renown for its wrestlers for decades so it's hard to believe that Karimi would be likely to lose. What did his political handlers fear, that an Iranian victory over an Israeli wasn't worth a small risk?
I mean they could have dedicated the win in the name of their Palestinian cause or they could have even sold the defeat in the same token promising their resolve to keep trying until victory and all.

I am big advocate of people to people direct contact, via sports, culture, arts , food festivals and aid during natural calamities. this pure hatred among nations dehumanizes those we are told are our enemies.
recall the tennis pairing of Pakistani and Israeli player in America few years back which caused a big issue among the hatemongers and Musharraf despite being bold and brave couldn't meet and great i the Israeli leaders in some international event during his rule.
 
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