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The concept of the modernized tank T-72 - T-72E experimental development of Ukrainian State Enterprise "Kharkov armored plant"

Again how do you get a T-72 to fit 3 people in the front glacis? And again, why is there a hatch on the turret and only 1 hatch up front for supposedly 3 crews?

 

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Again how do you get a T-72 to fit 3 people in the front glacis? And again, why is there a hatch on the turret and only 1 hatch up front for supposedly 3 crews?

There is a standard and seventy-two. Drinking T-REX has not. Since the highly protected capsule has not. From the standard T-72 differs installing the new protection engine and additional modules remotely controlled weapons

 

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Looks like a modern day Sturmgeschutz or Panzerjaeger ;-)

I don't think it's possible to take a T-72, make the turret unmanned and fit 3 people in the front of the tank. The only reason the T-14 can do it is because it was designed that way from the beginning. The T-14 is massive in size compared to the T-72.

Besides, it looks like there is a hatch on the turret so I have doubts that it's unmanned, even more interesting, there is only one hatch up front, so 3 people all use one hatch? The fume extractor is also unecessary if the turret is unmanned.

Remember Morozov proposed the BMT-72 earlier, which involved a hull insert behind the turret, giving the vehicle 7 roadwheels rather than 6 and allowing it to carry infantry. Such an approach might solve the space issue for T-Rex (if any).

http://www.morozov.com.ua/eng/body/bmt72.php

As for the hatch in the turret, this is not a crew position but an access hatch

http://azov.co/spetsialnogo-priznachennya/46-tank-z-vinosnim-ozbroennyam-t-rex.html

There are 2 hatches for the crew in the hull

https://defence.pk/threads/ukrainian-armoured-vehicles.463496/page-27#post-9113116

Look like the base vehicle may be T-64. If you take stuff out of the front hull (e.g. relocate fuel tanks) this frees up space there for 2 more personnel besides the driver. Relocation of the hull fuel tanks might explain the higher flank areas above the tracks. It could also help reduce risk of explosion or fire, because those tanks would be outside the main armor hull.

T-14 mainly is longer. Wonder is the turret ring is larger.

 

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There is a standard and seventy-two. Drinking T-REX has not. Since the highly protected capsule has not. From the standard T-72 differs installing the new protection engine and additional modules remotely controlled weapons

The rear part of any tank is occupied by the engine, same with T-72. The mid section has the

Looks like a modern day Sturmgeschutz or Panzerjaeger ;-)


Remember Morozov proposed BMT-72, which involved a hull insert behind the turret, giving it 7 roadwheels rather than 6.
http://www.morozov.com.ua/eng/body/bmt72.php

Such an approach might solve the space issue.

As for the hatch in the turret, this is not a crew position but an access hatch

http://azov.co/spetsialnogo-priznachennya/46-tank-z-vinosnim-ozbroennyam-t-rex.html

There are 2 hatches for the crew in the hull

https://defence.pk/threads/ukrainian-armoured-vehicles.463496/page-27#post-9113116

What kind of access hatch has vision blocks? I also only see 1 other hatch which is the drivers hatch. For the T-72 to fit 3 crews in the frontal haul it would need a much larger chassis.

 

[Penguin]

What kind of access hatch has vision blocks? I also only see 1 other hatch which is the drivers hatch. For the T-72 to fit 3 crews in the frontal haul it would need a much larger chassis.

I posted one picture of a T-64 front hull, which - as is - has a single hatch in the centre, for the driver. This was not a picture of T-Rex, clearly.

For the T-Rex, you would not have a centre mounted front hull hatch for the driver. Instead, there would be a left and right front hull hatch (at least the size of the driver's hatch on a normal T-64 or equivalent), each with three vision blocks. So, the third crew is seated in between and uses either of these hatches. Same as with T-14 Armata

No doubt, camera's would also be used for all round vision. See e.g. post 10 and on, here: https://aw.my.com/en/forum/showthread.php?98430-T-Rex-Ukraine-s-Armata-copy

On T-14 Armata, the drive is seated left and the commander right. In between them is the gunner, who doesn't need a vision block where he is seated as he is using the turret electro-optinal sensor remotely. Likewise the commander, but he also has a vision block as this is more in line with his job.

 

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Looks like a modern day Sturmgeschutz or Panzerjaeger ;-)

 

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Looks like a modern day Sturmgeschutz or Panzerjaeger ;-)

promising new generation tank project KMDB unconventional layout scheme

 

[Penguin]

promising new generation tank project KMDB unconventional layout scheme

Any details e.g. on armament etc. Suspension/steering?

 

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Any details e.g. on armament etc. Suspension/steering?

Track four, two independent engine 6TD-1, smoothbore gun caliber 152 mm automatic loading, multi-channel view, the crew of the tank is placed in the rear housing

 

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Track four, two independent engine 6TD-1, smoothbore gun caliber 152 mm automatic loading, multi-channel view, the crew of the tank is placed in the rear housing

http://otvaga2004.ru/tanki/istoriya-sozdaniya/sovetskij-perspektivnyj-tank

Soviet tank promising unusual layout
The model for the site "Courage" fulfilled © Leonid Karjakin
2015

In the 1980s there was a view that the traditional layout of the tanks are outdated, so in addition to the classic domestic designers have been working tanks and the development of advanced military vehicles, which in their design were significantly different from our usual Soviet machines of the second post-war generation. According to reports in Kharkov, along with fine-tuning the new main battle tank object 477A, in parallel, work began on a promising tank, which was supposed to be a car of the XXI century.

We have tried to recreate the alleged appearance of the combat vehicle. Externally it was strikingly different from anything that was previously in the USSR. The original decision was to be the use of chetyrehgusenichnogo mover. The tank should be mounted from two-stroke engines Spark 6TD series, each of which worked for a couple of his tracks. As a result, the total capacity of the power plant could reach a record high. However, if necessary, one of the engines can be switched off, which can significantly save fuel.

Each of the two engines would have two transmissions (of four) that the power transmitted to the driving wheels of the four caterpillar tracks. In case of damage of one of the caterpillar tracks tank did not lose mobility and can continue to move the line of duty.

As the weapons used had a powerful 152-mm gun with automatic loader. With this weapon the Soviet perspective machine could destroy any of the western tanks, which consisted at the time in service or under development. As a subsidiary of weapons was used NSVT machine gun caliber 12.7 mm mounted on the roof in a remote-control unit.

The tank was supposed to equip the multi-channel panoramic periscope sight and observation turret and radar gun.

The crew, consisting of two people, placed in the most invulnerable part of the tank - in the stern. For entry and exit hatches were feeding.

The unusual layout giving maximum protection to the crew of the tank using a classic tank battle. Furthermore, the use of dynamic protection promising further increased security not only in the forward hemisphere, but with the beads. The disadvantages of this machine are: excessive complexity and time-consuming process of service.

Based on materials from public Internet sources

Below is a rendering of the above long-term project of the Soviet tank unusual layout. Figure is a proper interpretation of the author and do not pretend to any strict technical compliance.

 

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Soviet tank promising unusual layout

Promising tank KMDB produced during development work, "Squirrel" in the late 1980s. Drawing from the article "A POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE OPTION layout scheme TANK" by PF Gnedash, LI Mazurenko, EA Morozov. Journal "Herald of armored vehicles", №7 / 1991

 

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Ukrainian active protection system "Zaslon" ("Barrier")

 

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GPM-64 - Special fire truck tracked on the basis of the T-64 is made in the Ukrainian State Enterprise "Kharkov armored plant"

 

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The concept Fire Support Vehicle at the base chassis armored personnel carrier BTR-3E