Ukraine Crisis, Whose position is more justified? Russia or Nato?

[beijingwalker]

Ukraine Crisis, Whose position is more justified? Russia or Nato?

Russia:

Nato:

 

[beijingwalker]

In early February 1990, U.S. leaders made the Soviets an offer. According to transcripts of meetings in Moscow on Feb. 9, then-Secretary of State James Baker suggested that in exchange for cooperation on Germany, U.S. could make “iron-clad guarantees” that NATO would not expand “one inch eastward.” Less than a week later, Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev agreed to begin reunification talks. No formal deal was struck, but from all the evidence, the quid pro quo was clear: Gorbachev acceded to Germany’s western alignment and the U.S. would limit NATO’s expansion.

Op-Ed: Russia's got a point: The U.S. broke a NATO promise

Moscow solidified its hold on Crimea in April, outlawing the Tatar legislature that had opposed Russia’s annexation of the region since 2014.

www.latimes.com

 

[beijingwalker]

Just in:

Ukraine crisis: US rejects Russian demand to bar Ukraine from Nato​

January . 26 2022

The US has rejected Russia's demand to bar Ukraine from Nato, amid warnings Russia might invade its neighbour.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken was giving Russia a formal response to its demands to resolve the Ukraine crisis.

Mr Blinken gave no concessions but said that he was offering Russia "a serious diplomatic path forward, should Russia choose it".

A Russian minister said his country would study Mr Blinken's response, delivered in coordination with Nato.

Russia had issued a written list of its concerns about the expansion of the Nato military alliance and related security issues.

Among them was a demand for Nato to rule out the possibility of Ukraine and others ever joining the alliance.

Ukraine crisis: US rejects Russian demand to bar Ukraine from Nato

Russia says the response does not address its concerns about Nato, but "gives hope" over other issues.

www.bbc.com

 

[beijingwalker]

Now it became very clear who really wants a war.

 

[beijingwalker]

China Backs Russia Against Ukraine, NATO​

BY JOHN FENG
ON 1/26/22 AT 11:21 AM EST

China has thrown its considerable political weight behind Russia in President Vladimir Putin's standoff with Ukraine, describing NATO as outdated and calling on the West to consider Moscow's "legitimate security concerns."

At a press briefing on Wednesday, China's state news service Xinhua asked Foreign Ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian about remarks by Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman, who said Russia's demand that the alliance not expand its membership was a "non-starter."

Speaking on January 10, after unsuccessful NATO-Russia Council talks in Geneva, Sherman said: "We will not allow anyone to slam closed NATO's open-door policy."

In Beijing, Zhao spoke disparagingly of the alliance as a "Cold War remnant."

He said: "As the world's largest military alliance, NATO should abandon the outdated Cold War mentality and ideological bias, and do things that are conducive to upholding peace and stability."

"China firmly opposes all kinds of small cliques," he added, before calling on parties to "fully consider each other's legitimate security concerns, avoid antagonism and confrontation, and properly address differences and disputes through equal consultation on the basis of mutual respect."

Beijing's decision to take a side publicly comes as some 100,000 Russian troops and heavy armor are massed on Ukraine's eastern border. Moscow says it does not intend to invade; Kyiv says Russia's current force posture is insufficient for a full-scale invasion.

China Backs Russia Against Ukraine, NATO

Earlier this month, President Xi Jinping told his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky, that Beijing and Kyiv shared deepening political trust.

www.newsweek.com

 

[beijingwalker]

The situation now is much similar to what happened in Korean peninsula in 1950, China won't tolerate the enemy forces marching all the way to her doorway, neither will Russia.

 

[beijingwalker]

U.S.'s Blinken holds talks with China's Wang on Ukraine risks​

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken speaks about Russia and Ukraine during a briefing at the State Department in Washington, U.S., January 26, 2022. Brendan Smialowski/Pool via REUTERS reuters_tickers

Published on January 27, 2022 - 06:08

(Reuters) -U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken spoke to Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi about Ukraine on Wednesday, highlighting global security and the economic risks that could stem from further Russian aggression, the State Department said.

"Secretary Blinken ... conveyed that de-escalation and diplomacy are the responsible way forward," department spokesman Ned Price said in a statement.

Global security and the economic risks posed by further Russian aggression against Ukraine figured in the talks, the department added.

The United States earlier on Wednesday set out a diplomatic path to address sweeping Russian demands in eastern Europe, as Moscow held security talks with Western countries and intensified its military build-up near Ukraine with new drills.

Russia has demanded NATO pull back troops and weapons from eastern Europe and bar Ukraine, a former Soviet state, from ever joining the alliance. The United States and its NATO allies reject that but say they are ready to discuss other topics such as arms control and confidence-building measures.

U.S. urges China to use influence with Moscow over Ukraine

By Gabriel Crossley, David Brunnstrom and Michael Martina BEIJING/WASHINGTON (Reuters) -The United States on Thursday called on China to use its influence with Russia to urge a diplomatic solution to the Ukraine crisis...

www.swissinfo.ch

 

[beijingwalker]

Top U.S., Chinese diplomats fail to agree on Ukraine situation​

KYODO NEWS - 6 minutes ago - 17:35

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Wednesday told his Chinese counterpart Wang Yi about the "global security and economic risks" of a possible Russian invasion of Ukraine, but they apparently fell short of reaching an agreement on the issue.

The phone call took place as U.S.-Russia tensions are running high over Moscow's massive military buildup on the Ukrainian border, while President Vladimir Putin has demanded the North Atlantic Treaty Organization pull back troops and weapons from Eastern Europe.

Washington has warned Moscow of severe economic and financial sanctions should Russia choose to invade and called on it to de-escalate tensions. Meanwhile, China has asked the United States to respect the security fears of the world's largest country by area.

According to the U.S. State Department, Blinken told Wang of the global "risks" posed by further Russian aggression against Ukraine and conveyed that "de-escalation and diplomacy are the responsible way forward."

Wang was quoted by the Chinese Foreign Ministry as telling Blinken, "Russia's legitimate security concerns should be paid attention to and resolved," underscoring that Beijing has supported Moscow's position.

https://english.kyodonews.net/news/...a-of-global-risks-over-ukraine-situation.html

 

[Trango Towers]

Russia is correct. West are the bastrads looking for a fight.

 

[Beidou2020]

Why is this even a question?

Only a CIA-brainwashed dork thinks NATO is correct.

Russia has shown extreme patience with Ukraine.

That is Russia’s backyard and their sphere of influence.

 

[beijingwalker]

If Russia doesn't do nothing now, soon this Nato expansion will be enemy at gate reaching Moscow's city wall

 

[Genghis khan1]

Depends how you look at it. Ukrain is an independent country and should be “free” to decide to join NATO.

US with its tricks and geopolitical tactics , want to encircle and further pressure already weakened Russia into regional power status that. That Can only be threat to china or it’s list of ..Stan’s neighbors in the south.

Putin don’t like the situation Russia is in. So he do little bit stunts here and there (like Syria) to feel good. NATO is creeping up Russia’s rear, and will be in position to do her dirty when she least expected.

 

[Viet]

In early February 1990, U.S. leaders made the Soviets an offer. According to transcripts of meetings in Moscow on Feb. 9, then-Secretary of State James Baker suggested that in exchange for cooperation on Germany, U.S. could make “iron-clad guarantees” that NATO would not expand “one inch eastward.” Less than a week later, Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev agreed to begin reunification talks. No formal deal was struck, but from all the evidence, the quid pro quo was clear: Gorbachev acceded to Germany’s western alignment and the U.S. would limit NATO’s expansion.

Op-Ed: Russia's got a point: The U.S. broke a NATO promise

Moscow solidified its hold on Crimea in April, outlawing the Tatar legislature that had opposed Russia’s annexation of the region since 2014.

www.latimes.com

Putin just wants to revise the USSR like Erdogan wants the Osman empire or Xi the Tang.

Russia can ask herself why all neighbors want to join the EU and NATO? They want prosperity and protection against the bear obviously.

Blaming that the West has more beautiful girls or better propaganda machine is embarrassing.

Extremely rediculous to dictate others not to do this not to do that.

Putin believes he is God.

 

[beijingwalker]

Ukrain is an independent country and should be “free” to decide to join NATO.

Those countries gained independence with conditions, if these conditions were broken, all bets are off.

 

[Viet]

Those countries gained independence with conditions, if these conditions were broken, all bets are off.

Ukraine gave up nuclear weapons in exchange for security warranty including by Russia. Yes this promise is worth 0 dollar.

That’s a lesson for every country.
Once you have nuclear weapons never give up in exchange for worthless paper.