U.S. Policy

[SekrutYakhni]

World War 2 to destroy European economy and also to create Israel. It’s true that US gave billions of dollars to Europe after WW2 to make them their pet and we can see NATO and EU.


1) Defence and Security of Israel after the creation of Israel.

2) Control of Global fuel assets and having more presence after Arab-Israel war.

3) Control of Global and water Trade Routes by spreading bias information in media about the pirates near African coastline. U.S and other western countries have their Marines in that area.

3) Destruction of Political ideologies of Islam in Muslim nations by so called "War on terror" or we can say "War against Islamic values."
They don't want their people to know about the social model given by Islam.

4) Encirclement of Russia by invading Afghanistan.

5) Encirclement of China also by invading Afghanistan.

6) Destabilizing Pakistan by every means. Pakistan is still a threat to Israel and India. I believe we still have awareness regardless of our corrupt politicians.

7) Creating Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) which will be the future block of Central Asian countries and Pakistan.

more points can be written...

 

[SekrutYakhni]

I don't completely agree with it...

I found this on web and inserted some points....

What do you guys think about it?

 

[TruthSeeker]

Man, it gets so tiring seeing all of this anti-American crap recycled by every new Pakistan student who joins the PD Forum. It's all childish conspiracy tripe. Why not just start a thread: "Let's all list all the reasons we hate the USA!" Your thread is flame bait, plain and simple. But we won't play.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Man, it gets so tiring seeing all of this anti-American crap recycled by every new Pakistan student who joins the PD Forum. It's all childish conspiracy tripe. Why not just start a thread: "Let's all list all the reasons we hate the USA!" Your thread is flame bait, plain and simple. But we won't play.

Sir we are posting anti American crap here but your Media is giving us a big crap..
Why not start a new TV channel called Anti Pakistan in the U.S.
Your post is flame, bait, plain and simple. But we won't play...

 

[oceanx]

World War 2 to destroy European economy and also to create Israel. It’s true that US gave billions of dollars to Europe after WW2 to make them their pet and we can see NATO and EU.
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When you start with that, Saad, it becomes very difficult to give you credit (at least partial) for # 3-7. Don't be your own worst enemy, please.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Sir can you explain more about the point you made...
I did not understand completely....

I already said I don't agree with all of it but something in there makes some sense...but kindly explain more so I understand….

I copied this from web and I edited few things but not all of it....

 

[oceanx]

Sir can you explain more about the point you made...
I did not understand completely....

I already said I don't agree with all of it but something in there makes some sense...but kindly explain more so I understand….

I copied this from web and I edited few things but not all of it....

Sorry bud, I might have been hasty in "lashing out". It would have be better, IMHO, to highlight exactly what you disagree with, and then we can proceed to discuss your more "valid" points.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

The essence of the points I believe is to have a control on the world directly

Americans want to create their empire as British, French and Mughals did....

It's not bad to have an empire type of thing but the way they want is unacceptable at any cost...they will fail..

All of the points show they want to get control...
So I believe...kind of a new World Order....
Now people will say ohh saad it’s a conspiracy theory....but what can we say by seeing the American actions....Their actions are showing what they want...so it's not a conspiracy theory...

 

[oceanx]

It's not bad to have an empire type of thing but the way they want is unacceptable at any cost...they will fail..

That I agree with you, Saad. Their neo-conservative, hegemonic, openly imperialistic stance seems untenable. And I think grudgingly, they have come to realize and accept that as well.

Did you see the article here? They are attempting to prioritize, too - albeit in a disagreeable fashion as you say.

In our so-called multi-polar world, Yankeeland will remain the tallest and thickest pole into the forseeable future - with no definite expiration date attached. And that's not necessarily a bad thing to the greatest number of people (though I recognize this assertion is easily contestable).

Had there been another 8 years of someone like GWB, their own people would rise up. Not to say they won't still - I think the nest is stirring a little at least.

But their "baser" impulses and their imperial instincts can still be checked, just like every other empire or wannabe empires ...

There is nothing new under the sun, according to my Good Book.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

That I agree with you, Saad. Their neo-conservative, hegemonic, openly imperialistic stance seems untenable. And I think grudgingly, they have come to realize and accept that as well.

Did you see the article here? They are attempting to prioritize, too - albeit in a disagreeable fashion as you say.

In our so-called multi-polar world, Yankeeland will remain the tallest and thickest pole into the forseeable future - with no definite expiration date attached. And that's not necessarily a bad thing to the greatest number of people (though I recognize this assertion is easily contestable).

Had there been another 8 years of someone like GWB, their own people would rise up. Not to say they won't still - I think the nest is stirring a little at least.

But their "baser" impulses and their imperial instincts can still be checked, just like every other empire or wannabe empires ...

There is nothing new under the sun, according to my Good Book.

Yeah...
Their people will not rise unless their stomach gets empty....
The situation is changing....

Sir no one should mind the following thing...I know many people will dislike it..

If China becomes a lone superpower in the world than there are very high chances that they will do the same as U.S. if not less...if they will not do to us than they will do to India, Taiwan...other countries..They might not do this but most of the history tells every superpower did the same....

I am not saying China is greedy....


It's nature....

There should be more than one superpower and they should spread peace in the world not occupy....
Back than people were superior because of their moral character....now people are superior because of money/power....

China is a great country and I want to visit China....

I just said which most of the history taught us...superpowers are greedy...

 

[TruthSeeker]

Where you go wrong is to believe that Americans WANT an empire. They don't. Americans are intrinsically individualistic and self-absorbed. They want to be left alone to pursue their economic, cultural and scientific interests in peace. BUT, because of their experiences with WWII and the Soviet Union, they do not believe in appeasement, hence their "aggressive" foreign policy. If al Qaeda had NOT attacked the American homeland as it did, none of the American force projections of the past 8 years would have transpired. American "aggression" in Iraq and Afghanistan is viewed by us as defensive in the sense that we believe that the best defense is a good offense. We believe it is better to fight wars in the the territory of the enemy rather than in our homeland.

The USA is NOT an intentionally imperialistic power. If it has achieve imperialistic status, that is because of the weakness of others, or because of the effectiveness of American economic and technical institutions, not by conscious design. I'm sure that you cannot possibly believe such an explanation from an "American", but it is nonetheless true. If you could comprehend what I am telling you, and accept it for a moment, you could understand American actions. America is NOT at war with Islam. It is only trying to protect itself from the small portion of Muslims who are jihadis and who have declared war on the USA. Other "innocent" Muslims are sometimes in the line of fire because they "allow", or cannot prevent, the jihadi portion to take sanctuary in their midst.

Not one point in your original thread opening post is true. Every point is a distortion or outright lie. You cannot prove a single item of it. It is all anti-American distortion and hatred masquerading as analysis.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Where you go wrong is to believe that Americans WANT an empire. They don't. Americans are intrinsically individualistic and self-absorbed. They want to be left alone to pursue their economic, cultural and scientific interests in peace. BUT, they do not believe in appeasement, hence their aggressive foreign policy. iI al Qaeda had NOT attacked the American homeland as it did, none of the American force projections of the past 8 years would have transpired. American "aggression" in Iraq and Afghanistan is viewed by us as defensive in the sense that we believe that the best defense is a good offense. We believe it is better to fight wars in the the territory of the enemy rather than in our homeland.

The USA is NOT an intentionally imperialistic power. If it has achieve imperialistic status, that is because of the weakness of others, or because of the effectiveness of American economic and technical institutions, not by conscious design. I'm sure that you cannot possibly believe such an explanation from an "American", but it is nonetheless true. If you could comprehend what I am telling you, and accept it for a moment, you could understand American actions. America is NOT at war with Islam. It is only trying to protect itself from the small portion of Muslims who are jihadis and who have declared war on the USA. Other "innocent" Muslims are sometimes in the line of fire because they "allow", or cannot prevent, the jihadi portion to take sanctuary in their midst.

Not one point in your original thread opening post is true. Every point is a distortion or outright lie.

Okay...for sometime I believe Al Qaeda attacked U.S. and U.S. is a peaceful country and they would not have attacked any nation if they were safe....
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What do you think about Gulf War?

There are many examples but Gulf is probably the recent one
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U.S. could pursue their peaceful economic, social goals without interfering…but you guys always interfered in everything making it worse....interference is a good thing if the intentions are to find a peaceful solution but whenever you guys interfered war happened

If you say best defence is a good offence than it means all the countries of the world should blast U.S.....

Jihadis announced war on the U.S. when U.S. started the war...

Yes...you are killing Jihadis to make your land safer after killing millions of Iraqis and Afghanis...

Isn't it a genocide committed by U.S./Europe?
killing millions of Muslims?

What do you think about this..
It’s also a lie...
c'mon grow up...

It is very easy for you to say....eating lays...wearing a T shirt Made in China, watching Israeli news channel, watching a TV made in Japan probably...drinking a beer with your gf....

Sir go to Iraq and Afghanistan and see the situation U.S. has created...

Sadam also did bad things but U.S. only made worse.....

 

[TruthSeeker]

What do you think about Gulf War?

Jihadis announced war on the U.S. when U.S. started the war...

Yes...you are killing Jihadis to make your land safer after killing millions of Iraqis and Afghanis...

Isn't it a genocide committed by U.S./Europe?
killing millions of Muslims?[/B][/U]

What do you think about this..
It’s also a lie...
c'mon grow up...

It is very easy for you to say....eating lays...wearing a T shirt Made in China, watching Israeli news channel, watching a TV made in Japan probably...drinking a beer with your gf....

Sir go to Iraq and Afghanistan and see the situation U.S. has created...

Sadam also did bad things but U.S. only made worse.....

The "Gulf War" was undertaken to protect Saudi Arabia and to restore the Kuwaitis to their country after Saddam Hussein had murdered thousands of them and had taken over their country. It was supported by over 50 countries including all Arab countries except the Palestinan Authority. What's your beef with the Gulf War?

Al Qaeda declared war on the USA in 1998, well before 9/11 and the USA response to 9/11. They attacked the World Trade Center in 1997, our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, bombed our barracks in Saudi Arabia and attacked the USS Cole in Yemen BEFORE 9/11 and the USA response. So your statement that the jihadis declared war on us after 9/11 is just FALSE.

The USA and our allies have NOT killed millions of Muslims. That is a lie. The large majority of Muslims killed in Iraq and Afghanistan have been killed by OTHER Muslims in those countries. The deaths caused by US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan are less than 10,000.

As far as growing up goes, you are way off base. I am a 64 year old father of three and grandfather of three more. I have studied the events you think you know about for years. You are the kid in this discussion, not me.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

The "Gulf War" was undertaken to protect Saudi Arabia and to restore the Kuwaitis to their country after Saddam Hussein had murdered thousands of them and had taken over their country. It was supported by over 50 countries including all Arab countries except the Palestinan Authority. What's your beef with the Gulf War?

Al Qaeda declared war on the USA in 1998, well before 9/11 and the USA response to 9/11. They attacked the World Trade Center in 1997, our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, bombed our barracks in Saudi Arabia and attacked the USS Cole in Yemen BEFORE 9/11 and the USA response. So your statement that the jihadis declared war on us after 9/11 is just FALSE.

The USA and our allies have NOT killed millions of Muslims. That is a lie. The large majority of Muslims killed in Iraq and Afghanistan have been killed by OTHER Muslims in those countries. The deaths caused by US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan are less than 10,000.

As far as growing up goes, you are way off base. I am a 64 year old father of three and grandfather of three more. I have studied the events you think you know about for years. You are the kid in this discussion, not me.

Are you kididng me??

 

[SekrutYakhni]

The "Gulf War" was undertaken to protect Saudi Arabia and to restore the Kuwaitis to their country after Saddam Hussein had murdered thousands of them and had taken over their country. It was supported by over 50 countries including all Arab countries except the Palestinan Authority. What's your beef with the Gulf War?

Al Qaeda declared war on the USA in 1998, well before 9/11 and the USA response to 9/11. They attacked the World Trade Center in 1997, our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, bombed our barracks in Saudi Arabia and attacked the USS Cole in Yemen BEFORE 9/11 and the USA response. So your statement that the jihadis declared war on us after 9/11 is just FALSE.

The USA and our allies have NOT killed millions of Muslims. That is a lie. The large majority of Muslims killed in Iraq and Afghanistan have been killed by OTHER Muslims in those countries. The deaths caused by US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan are less than 10,000.

As far as growing up goes, you are way off base. I am a 64 year old father of three and grandfather of three more. I have studied the events you think you know about for years. You are the kid in this discussion, not me.

1898 Spanish-American War United States vs. Spain


1914-1918 World War I Triple Alliance: Germany, Italy, and Austria-Hungary vs. Triple Entente: Britain, France, and Russia. The United States joined on the side of the Triple Entente in 1917.

1939-1945 World War II Axis Powers: Germany, Italy, Japan vs. Major Allied Powers: United States, Great Britain, France, and Russia
1950-1953 Korean War United States (as part of the United Nations) and South Korea vs. North Korea and Communist China
1960-1975 Vietnam War United States and South Vietnam vs. North Vietnam
1961 Bay of Pigs Invasion United States vs. Cuba
1983 Grenada United States Intervention
1989 US Invasion of Panama
United States vs. Panama
1990-1991 Persian Gulf War
United States and Coalition Forces vs. Iraq
1995-1996 Intervention in Bosnia and Herzegovina United States as part of NATO acted peacekeepers in former Yugoslavia
2001 Invasion of Afghanistan
United States and Coalition Forces vs. the Taliban regime in Afghanistan to fight terrorism.
2003 Invasion of Iraq
United States and Coalition Forces vs. Iraq


U.S. has fought the most wars in last 100 years than any nation....

Sir you are in 60's but still you are so emotional....I never said you that you are a kid...you just said to me that you aren't a kid....


The deaths caused by the U.S. are less than 10,000..
hahahaha



Do you live on planet Earth??

Guy with children....

hahah

U.S. is very peaceful…everyone attacks U.S.....
hahah

Provde us a link that Al Qaeda declared war in 1998....

Your barracks were bombed but our houses were bombed...houses...many houses sir....both lives could be saved if the policies from your side were right and we cooperated...but unfortunately your policies were not right


You might know the pain Iraqi/Afghani people are suffering in terms of their children’s death....