U.S. may join Japan-Aussie submarine project

[Aepsilons]

U.S. may join Japan-Aussie sub project

By Takashi Imai and Keita Ikeda / Yomiuri Shimbun CorrespondentsWASHINGTON / JAKARTA — The United States is considering participating in the joint development of a new submarine for Australia, which the Japanese and Australian governments earlier agreed to begin discussing, according to sources close to the matter.

The Australian government apparently wants to introduce a Japanese-made submarine hull and adopt U.S.-made systems and weaponry. If the joint development by the three countries is realized, their cooperative relationships in the military field, which have been limited so far to joint exercises, will enter a new stage.

The sources said Japan, the United States and Australia will likely hold trilateral summit talks for the first time in seven years on the sidelines of the Group of 20 summit to be held in Australia next month. Officials of the three governments are coordinating views so that their leaders can exchange opinions on the joint development of the submarine while discussing military cooperation, they said.

Japan and Australia agreed to start discussions on the joint development of the submarine when their defense ministers met on Oct. 16.

Australia's Collins-class submarines use a battle system created by Raytheon Co. of the United States.

The Australian government plans to renew six Collins-class submarines from around 2030 to broaden their range.

Although Australia plans to adopt Soryu-class submarines — the Maritime Self-Defense Force’s most advanced submarines — it wants to adopt U.S. systems and communication equipment for the battle system to maintain interoperability with the U.S. military, the sources said.

The U.S. government would obviously welcome such a move as the Australians apparently want to equip the new submarine with U.S. cruise missiles.

Behind the emerging idea of the development of a new submarine by the three countries is China’s continuing advance into the Pacific and Indian oceans.

As for the “rebalancing” of Asia policy that the administration of U.S. President Barack Obama is promoting, observers believe reinforcing military partnerships among the nations concerned will enhance the military deterrent.

However, the three governments will probably hold their discussions behind closed doors for the time being because of opposition in Australia that the joint development of submarines may impair the country's military industry, the sources said.

To win public understanding, the Australian government is likely to have its new submarines maintained and repaired at home.


U.S. may join Japan-Aussie sub project - The Japan News

 

[AMDR]

Pacific cooperation at its finest

 

[SvenSvensonov]

"U.S. systems and communication equipment" - I thank the Australians for recognizing the work I did, we put a lot of effort into making sure the systems on our subs are the best and most secure in the world. A great sign for the nations involved if this comes to pass. Australia would be getting the best AIP sub around with proven gear, and Japan would be privy the same, unless it opts for domestic electronics. Either way if this comes to pass if will be a great thing for Australia and Japan.

 

[F-22Raptor]

Great to hear, subs will be critical platforms for deterrence in the Pacific. Cooperation will only make us stronger.

 

[C130]

we should buy 4.
have 2 based in Guam and 2 in Japan.
we need experience in diesel subs to better prepare to face Russian/Chinese diesel subs.

 

[Cat Shannon]

U.S. may join Japan-Aussie sub project

By Takashi Imai and Keita Ikeda / Yomiuri Shimbun CorrespondentsWASHINGTON / JAKARTA — The United States is considering participating in the joint development of a new submarine for Australia, which the Japanese and Australian governments earlier agreed to begin discussing, according to sources close to the matter.

The Australian government apparently wants to introduce a Japanese-made submarine hull and adopt U.S.-made systems and weaponry. If the joint development by the three countries is realized, their cooperative relationships in the military field, which have been limited so far to joint exercises, will enter a new stage.

The sources said Japan, the United States and Australia will likely hold trilateral summit talks for the first time in seven years on the sidelines of the Group of 20 summit to be held in Australia next month. Officials of the three governments are coordinating views so that their leaders can exchange opinions on the joint development of the submarine while discussing military cooperation, they said.

Japan and Australia agreed to start discussions on the joint development of the submarine when their defense ministers met on Oct. 16.

Australia's Collins-class submarines use a battle system created by Raytheon Co. of the United States.

The Australian government plans to renew six Collins-class submarines from around 2030 to broaden their range.

Although Australia plans to adopt Soryu-class submarines — the Maritime Self-Defense Force’s most advanced submarines — it wants to adopt U.S. systems and communication equipment for the battle system to maintain interoperability with the U.S. military, the sources said.

The U.S. government would obviously welcome such a move as the Australians apparently want to equip the new submarine with U.S. cruise missiles.

Behind the emerging idea of the development of a new submarine by the three countries is China’s continuing advance into the Pacific and Indian oceans.

As for the “rebalancing” of Asia policy that the administration of U.S. President Barack Obama is promoting, observers believe reinforcing military partnerships among the nations concerned will enhance the military deterrent.

However, the three governments will probably hold their discussions behind closed doors for the time being because of opposition in Australia that the joint development of submarines may impair the country's military industry, the sources said.

To win public understanding, the Australian government is likely to have its new submarines maintained and repaired at home.


U.S. may join Japan-Aussie sub project - The Japan News

Nihojin Sama,

what difference will it make ? is that a political decision ? the US systems switching ?

AaariGato !!!!

 

[Aepsilons]

Nihojin Sama,

what difference will it make ? is that a political decision ? the US systems switching ?

AaariGato !!!!

The United States , the Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force are probably the most cohesive foreign navies in the world. Australia's Navy is structured in such a way that it allows ease of interoperability with American and Japanese systems. The proposal of the US into this bilateral defense engagement would only enhance American-Australian defense ties, definitely. Japan also enhanced our proposal by proposing the addition of Lithium-ion powered batteries instead of air independent propulsion, as far as I'm concerned, the United States have been interested in acquiring Japanese technology of lithium ion powered batteries and this engagement would allow tech transfer from Australia to the United States. Either case, it means that if the Americans join this bilateral engagement, they will definitely apply this technology to their own submarines (future).

I welcome it. It will strengthen the Trilateral Alliance in the Pacific: Japan - Australia - US.

 

[Cat Shannon]

The United States , the Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force are probably the most cohesive foreign navies in the world. Australia's Navy is structured in such a way that it allows ease of interoperability with American and Japanese systems. The proposal of the US into this bilateral defense engagement would only enhance American-Australian defense ties, definitely. Japan also enhanced our proposal by proposing the addition of Lithium-ion powered batteries instead of air independent propulsion, as far as I'm concerned, the United States have been interested in acquiring Japanese technology of lithium ion powered batteries and this engagement would allow tech transfer from Australia to the United States. Either case, it means that if the Americans join this bilateral engagement, they will definitely apply this technology to their own submarines (future).

I welcome it. It will strengthen the Trilateral Alliance in the Pacific: Japan - Australia - US.

just that ? how about the weapon systems and other electronics ? are the patents with japanese companies ?

US doesn't have a diesel sub..Li-ion battery will be not necessary for US subs, no ?

has there been a refusal to share japanese tech with australia ?

 

[Aepsilons]

just that ? how about the weapon systems and other electronics ? are the patents with japanese companies ?

If the Aussies go ahead with the plan, they receive Japanese weapon systems, electronics, the whole kit and caboodle.We are very selective on technology transfers, yes.

US doesn't have a diesel sub..Li-ion battery will be not necessary for US subs, no ?

The United States actually has keen interest in diesel-electric submarines, this was realized when the United States leased a Swedish Gotland-Class Sub, analysis showed that these were substantially quieter than other non-nuclear submarines. And thus, it has renewed an interest in the United States Navy diesel-electric submarines, especially with their air independent systems. Our JMSDF's Soryu Class are substantially quieter than the Gotlunds' , making these subs a deadly threat to any would be foe to our navy.

 

[Cat Shannon]

If the Aussies go ahead with the plan, they receive Japanese weapon systems, electronics, the whole kit and caboodle.We are very selective on technology transfers, yes.




The United States actually has keen interest in diesel-electric submarines, this was realized when the United States leased a Swedish Gotland-Class Sub, analysis showed that these were substantially quieter than other non-nuclear submarines. And thus, it has renewed an interest in the United States Navy diesel-electric submarines, especially with their air independent systems. Our JMSDF's Soryu Class are substantially quieter than the Gotlunds' , making these subs a deadly threat to any would be foe to our navy.

Aarigatto oozaimashu !

 

[Aepsilons]

Aarigatto oozaimashu !

Douitashimashite ! ٩(^ᴗ^)۶

 

[sathya]

Is there any chance India can get 6 soryu for its new tender ?

 

[Aepsilons]

Is there any chance India can get 6 soryu for its new tender ?

India is already purchasing 18 units of The ShinMaywa US-2 , which will add naval surveillance capabilities for the Indian Navy, not to mention, greater ASW capabilities for both the Indian Navy's Eastern and Western Fleets. In an age of submarine threats, ASW capabilities are integral. I don't see why the Indian Navy cannot avail on the Soryu Class Submarines. Afterall, both India and Japan are not only major economic partners, but also strategic defense partners.

 

[Cat Shannon]

Is there any chance India can get 6 soryu for its new tender ?

looks like a no ! i hope Modiji persuades Abeji to share soryu as is..with the integration of our systems ! bleakk chances though !

 

[Aepsilons]

looks like a no ! i hope Modiji persuades Abeji to share soryu as is..with the integration of our systems ! bleakk chances though !

It will not come cheap. Australia , a strategic ally of Japan's, will have to pay $20 Billion for the Soryus. But then again, Soryu Class are also top of the line submarines. Its not a Kilo-Class , I guarantee you that.