What's new

U.S. Escalates Air War Over Afghanistan

Nahraf

SENIOR MEMBER
Joined
Mar 24, 2010
Messages
1,508
Reaction score
0
U.S. Escalates Air War Over Afghanistan | Danger Room | Wired.com

4266629560_1242434cf4_b.jpg


There may not be quite as many bombs falling from the sky. But don’t let that fool you. The United States has dramatically escalated its air war over Afghanistan.

Spy plane flights have nearly tripled in the past year; supply drops, too. There are even more planes buzzing over the heads of troops caught in firefights (.pdf), according to statistics provided to Danger Room by the Air Force (.pdf).

The increased numbers show how the American military has retooled its most potent technological advantage — dominance of the skies — for the Afghanistan campaign. But so far, at least, the boost in air power doesn’t seem to have shifted the war’s momentum back to the American-led coalition.

An influx of Reaper drones and executive-jets-turned-spy-planes allowed U.S. forces to fly 9,700 surveillance sorties over Afghanistan in the first seven months of 2010. Last year, American planes conducted 3,645 of the flights during a similar period.

The United States may not have reconnaissance flights “blotting out the sun,” as one senior defense official predicted. But there are many more than before — mostly providing overhead footage of the battlefield to troops on the ground. In addition, more than 30 million pounds of gear was airdropped from January through July 2010 — compared to 11 million through July 2009.

Also, 398,000 people were transported into, out of and inside the Afghan theater. In the first seven months of 2009, that number was 212,000.

It wasn’t long ago that Defense Secretary Robert Gates was in an all-but-open war with the U.S. Air Force, when the service didn’t seem to be moving fast enough to meet commanders’ needs in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Air Force had fewer than a dozen unmanned air patrols over the war zones in 2007. Today, there are more than 40. The battles between Gates and the air generals have largely subsided.

“Today, unlike the contests of the past, our joint forces go into combat with more information about the threat they face, provided in near real-time. And they get that information … from air and space,” e-mails retired Lt. Gen. David Deptula, who stepped down this month as the Air Force’s intelligence chief. “Today, unlike the past, our joint task forces are able to operate with much smaller numbers, across great distances and inhospitable terrain because they can be sustained over the long-haul … by air.”

When Gen. Stanley McChrystal imposed strict new guidelines on airstrikes, the number of attacks from the sky immediately dropped in half. Many pilots weren’t sure exactly why they were flying. Some troops complained that they couldn’t fight the Taliban effectively.

But during the last few months of McChrystal’s tenure, those airstrike numbers had stabilized, and began to move ahead of their mid-2009 lows. In June and July of 2010, the Air Force flew 5,500 “close air support” sorties — missions over ground troops locked in active combat. On 900 of those flights, the planes fired weapons. The previous year, those figures were 4,600 and 809, respectively.

The unanswered question, of course, is whether all this extra air power will have much of an effect. Right now, NATO has more troops going into more places and encountering more resistance than at any point in the war.

Violence is way up. And it’s not clear if additional eyes in the sky or warplanes buzzing overhead will alter that lethal equation.
 
.
It is not actually a "War" on air..It is more like a one sided spanking...........
 
.
Yea. I wonder if the Taliban fly jets.....hence it's not an air war.

In anycase, they just killed 14 US troops over the past 3 days. What a sad day when world's most sophisticated and powerful military gets owned by a bunch of nomads.
 
.
It is not actually a "War" on air..It is more like a one sided spanking...........

True but this one sided spanking, although intensified is not helpful. 14 soldiers died in the past 3 days... Looks the spanking is rather the other way around.

And this intensification comes from the background that this is the only "tactic" which doesn't have an immediate backlashing.. and since this is considered rather a "safe" approach to weed Taliban out, they are enforcing it to their maximum limits. But is that going to let America win this war? ========= Naaa
 
.
U.S. Escalates Air War Over Afghanistan | Danger Room | Wired.com

4266629560_1242434cf4_b.jpg


There may not be quite as many bombs falling from the sky. But don’t let that fool you. The United States has dramatically escalated its air war over Afghanistan.

Spy plane flights have nearly tripled in the past year; supply drops, too. There are even more planes buzzing over the heads of troops caught in firefights (.pdf), according to statistics provided to Danger Room by the Air Force (.pdf).

The increased numbers show how the American military has retooled its most potent technological advantage — dominance of the skies — for the Afghanistan campaign. But so far, at least, the boost in air power doesn’t seem to have shifted the war’s momentum back to the American-led coalition.

An influx of Reaper drones and executive-jets-turned-spy-planes allowed U.S. forces to fly 9,700 surveillance sorties over Afghanistan in the first seven months of 2010. Last year, American planes conducted 3,645 of the flights during a similar period.

The United States may not have reconnaissance flights “blotting out the sun,” as one senior defense official predicted. But there are many more than before — mostly providing overhead footage of the battlefield to troops on the ground. In addition, more than 30 million pounds of gear was airdropped from January through July 2010 — compared to 11 million through July 2009.

Also, 398,000 people were transported into, out of and inside the Afghan theater. In the first seven months of 2009, that number was 212,000.

It wasn’t long ago that Defense Secretary Robert Gates was in an all-but-open war with the U.S. Air Force, when the service didn’t seem to be moving fast enough to meet commanders’ needs in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Air Force had fewer than a dozen unmanned air patrols over the war zones in 2007. Today, there are more than 40. The battles between Gates and the air generals have largely subsided.

“Today, unlike the contests of the past, our joint forces go into combat with more information about the threat they face, provided in near real-time. And they get that information … from air and space,” e-mails retired Lt. Gen. David Deptula, who stepped down this month as the Air Force’s intelligence chief. “Today, unlike the past, our joint task forces are able to operate with much smaller numbers, across great distances and inhospitable terrain because they can be sustained over the long-haul … by air.”

When Gen. Stanley McChrystal imposed strict new guidelines on airstrikes, the number of attacks from the sky immediately dropped in half. Many pilots weren’t sure exactly why they were flying. Some troops complained that they couldn’t fight the Taliban effectively.

But during the last few months of McChrystal’s tenure, those airstrike numbers had stabilized, and began to move ahead of their mid-2009 lows. In June and July of 2010, the Air Force flew 5,500 “close air support” sorties — missions over ground troops locked in active combat. On 900 of those flights, the planes fired weapons. The previous year, those figures were 4,600 and 809, respectively.

The unanswered question, of course, is whether all this extra air power will have much of an effect. Right now, NATO has more troops going into more places and encountering more resistance than at any point in the war.

Violence is way up. And it’s not clear if additional eyes in the sky or warplanes buzzing overhead will alter that lethal equation.

Violence is up because we now have more troops there and have been going after them. Where ever we do go after them we win. Part of that success is the 300+ Taliban commanders that have been killed in the last few months. The fact that Special Operation Forces have been able to target them in the first place. also shows that ground intelligence is increasing as well.
 
Last edited:
.
True but this one sided spanking, although intensified is not helpful. 14 soldiers died in the past 3 days... Looks the spanking is rather the other way around.

And this intensification comes from the background that this is the only "tactic" which doesn't have an immediate backlashing.. and since this is considered rather a "safe" approach to weed Taliban out, they are enforcing it to their maximum limits. But is that going to let America win this war? ========= Naaa


It is a war and soldiers will die, to think other wise is naive. If you look at the numbers though far, far more Taliban are dieing compared Coalition troops.
 
.
It is a war and soldiers will die, to think other wise is naive. If you look at the numbers though far, far more Taliban are dieing compared Coalition troops.

Sure soldiers will die on both sides but point is soldiers death is causing more damage to which side. I don't think USA is ready to loose as many soldiers as Afghans are donig. 14 soldiers in 3 days make 1703 soldiers in a year and almost 6000-7000 soldiers (1:4 ratio) becoming handicap as a result of injuries. I don't think USA would sustain this number for a war that it is fighting for a cause which is already lost.

Has USA not escalated this air war in all these years? I am sure this must be nth time when same failed strategy is being enforced.. This "is called reenforcement of failures". Good-luck with that.:pop:
 
.
It is a war and soldiers will die, to think other wise is naive. If you look at the numbers though far, far more Taliban are dieing compared Coalition troops.

That is true but for money and resources spent it's the other way round. There is just no free lunch in war.
 
.
Sure soldiers will die on both sides but point is soldiers death is causing more damage to which side. I don't think USA is ready to loose as many soldiers as Afghans are donig. 14 soldiers in 3 days make 1703 soldiers in a year and almost 6000-7000 soldiers (1:4 ratio) becoming handicap as a result of injuries. I don't think USA would sustain this number for a war that it is fighting for a cause which is already lost.

Has USA not escalated this air war in all these years? I am sure this must be nth time when same failed strategy is being enforced.. This "is called reenforcement of failures". Good-luck with that.:pop:

There were similar arguments about Iraq. All the military deaths were evidence that the U.S. was going to get bogged down and doomed to failure (another Vietnam). Guess what.......It didn't happen. Afghanistan has to be handled a little differently then Iraq. And the coalition may make mistakes at times when trying to find what works. But in the end don't mistake the fact the U.S. is committed to stabilizing Afghanistan.

and there is a fallacy in your casualty ratio. The Taliban doesn't consistently score high casualties (except against civilians), where as the coalition does.
 
Last edited:
.
All the military deaths were evidence that the U.S. was going to get bogged down and doomed to failure (another Vietnam). Guess what.......It didn't happen.
Thats up to debate.

But in the end don't mistake the fact the U.S. is committed to stabilizing Afghanistan.
Like Iraq was stabilized?
 
.
Iraq is stabilizing, slowly but surely. I have a feeling that George W.Bush may be treated better by history than we can imagine at this point.

Afghanistan is a different kettle of fish, but do not underestimate the resolve of the Americans. The stakes are way too high to let the Taliban prevail. I can almost hear my Pakistani friends giggle with glee at the thought of Americans losing the plot in Afghanistan and the Taliban coming back, just like old times, but that isn't going to happen.

Pakistan has to face the reality that for many years to come, it isn't going to be like old times where a primitive, subservient(to Pakistan) bunch of nomads ruled Afghanistan.
 
.
Like Iraq was stabilized?

Compared to the violence before the troop surge? Yes! In fact that's why you see the average Iraqi is not wanting the U.S. to leave. It is stabilized enough for now so Iraq can start to stand on it's own. Will there be tough times from groups wanting to try and destabilize Iraq? Yes! But Iraq is strong enough now to stand up against them.
 
.
Sure soldiers will die on both sides but point is soldiers death is causing more damage to which side. I don't think USA is ready to loose as many soldiers as Afghans are donig. 14 soldiers in 3 days make 1703 soldiers in a year and almost 6000-7000 soldiers (1:4 ratio) becoming handicap as a result of injuries. I don't think USA would sustain this number for a war that it is fighting for a cause which is already lost.

Has USA not escalated this air war in all these years? I am sure this must be nth time when same failed strategy is being enforced.. This "is called reenforcement of failures". Good-luck with that.:pop:

Soldiers do die, this is war, not a cake party, that is what the soldiers expect when they join the army. Arent the PA soldiers being marayred by the Taliban everyday? They even were taken hostage and beheaded in front of the camera.

Afghans are donig

Please dont say afghans, as they are not fighting on our behalf. It is the talibani war they are fighting.
 
Last edited:
.
Iraq is stabilizing, slowly but surely. I have a feeling that George W.Bush may be treated better by history than we can imagine at this point.

Afghanistan is a different kettle of fish, but do not underestimate the resolve of the Americans. The stakes are way too high to let the Taliban prevail. I can almost hear my Pakistani friends giggle with glee at the thought of Americans losing the plot in Afghanistan and the Taliban coming back, just like old times, but that isn't going to happen.

Pakistan has to face the reality that for many years to come, it isn't going to be like old times where a primitive, subservient(to Pakistan) bunch of nomads ruled Afghanistan.

Well and i can tell you that indians cannot use afghan soil for Pakistan, We will tackle indians in india and everyone need to understand that there is no indian role in post American Afghanistan if USA understand this then i see afghanistan better future

But if Usa wants india in Afghanistan and Pakistan have rite to defened itself in Afghaistan from Indians threat....

:pakistan:
 
.
Soldiers do die, this is war, not a cake party. Arent the PA soldiers being marayred by the Taliban everyday? They even were taken hostage and beheaded in front of the camera.



Please dont say afghans, as they are not fighting on our behalf. It is the talibani war they are fighting.

well they are afghans and if you want to say that Kabul gov is afgan people then my friend you are mistaken as well

Afghan people are Fighters and they dont like western foot on thier soil .... they are fighting as talibans , as war loads etc etc

:pakistan:
 
.
Back
Top Bottom