What's new

U.S defense Secratary: Arab Allies need better ground forces more than 'Fancy' jets

Serpentine

INT'L MOD
Joined
Dec 30, 2011
Messages
12,131
Reaction score
30
Country
Iran, Islamic Republic Of
Location
Iran, Islamic Republic Of
defense-large.jpg
U.S. Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter had reassuring words for Israel when I interviewed him last week in his office at the Pentagon, but he also had blunt criticism of other American allies in the Middle East: the Arab Gulf states, who, he argued, sometimes appear unwilling to effectively engage their enemies. Carter suggested that these states—the members of the six-nation Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC), and Egypt as well—would rather build show-horse air forces than commit to the dangerous work of countering ISIS and Iran, the main bogeymen of moderate Arab states.

“If you look at where the Iranians are able to wield influence, they are in the game, on the ground,” Carter said, referring to Iranian military activities in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, and Yemen. “We don’t like it that they’re in the game on the ground, but they are in the game. There is a sense that some of the Gulf states are up there at 30,000 feet,” more interested in acquiring advanced fighter jets than in building—and deploying—special-operations forces.

Carter went on, “It is apparent to us, and we are trying to make it apparent to the Gulf states, and some of them understand this—the United Arab Emirates is one that understands—that the reason they lack influence, and feel they lack influence in circumstances like Iraq and Syria, with [ISIS], is that they have weighted having high-end air-force fighter jets and so forth over the hard business of training and disciplining ground forces and special-operations forces.”

At a summit meeting at Camp David in May with the member states of the GCC—Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, and Oman—President Barack Obama publicly promised these countries “ironclad” American support, but at the same time privately chided them for their passivity and told them he was under no pressure from the Middle East-weary American people to become further entangled in their regional disputes. A consistent complaint of the Obama administration is that numerous American allies in the greater Middle East, including, notably, Turkey, as well as the Gulf states, expect the United States to do the hardest fighting against their regional enemies—enemies who pose far more immediate threats to their interests than they do to American national security.


When I noted to Carter that he appeared to be expressing publicly a set of critical observations that Obama had privately expressed to Gulf leaders at Camp David, he said: “It wasn’t hidden at Camp David, I can tell you that.”

He went on, “I’ve said the same things to them: ‘Guys, you come and complain to us but you’re not in the game. You have to get in the game. This stuff that you want”—advanced aircraft, mainly—“doesn’t do you any good when the Houthis are overrunning Yemen.’” Carter said that the U.A.E., which recently lost 45 troops in a single day in Yemen, is a country more fully committed to fighting on its own behalf. “The Emiratis have a small but capable force, but the other Gulf states, Egypt, and so forth, they don’t. Egypt still has a very large conventionally oriented, war-with-Israel military, which is odd, given the kaleidoscope of problems they have around them.”

Carter and I came to this discussion about the Gulf states and their limitations by way of a related discussion concerning the maintenance, by the Pentagon, of Israel’s so-called qualitative military edge. For years, the United States has promised Israel that it would not help provide to Arab states weapons systems that would be anything near the technological equal of systems—American-made and otherwise—that Israel deployed. In recent years, Israel has worried less that countries like Saudi Arabia would use these weapons against it—after all, Israel and Saudi Arabia are in complete agreement that Iran represents a common existential threat—than that these weapons would fall into the hands of Sunni extremists. Though he has doubts that countries like Saudi Arabia need some of the weapons systems they seek from the United States, Carter also acknowledged that it would be better for the U.S., and Israel, if the Gulf states did their weapons shopping in America. (So far in 2015, the U.S. government has approved the sale of $115 million worth of arms to Kuwait, $150 million to Bahrain, $845 million to the U.A.E., and $19.5 billion to Saudi Arabia.)

“It’s not just that we have relationships with Gulf allies, which we do, and it’s not just that we want to sell arms, which is natural as a matter of political economy; it is also, from the security point of view, true that we have more influence over the parties that are receiving [weapons systems] because the transactions are overseen by us,” he said. “If the transaction is with the French or the Russians, this is different. These are not situations in which the transaction isn’t going to happen at all. The question is, will it be an American transaction or someone else’s?”

The message from Carter is a complicated one: Israel’s defense leaders ought to understand that it is better for them if America remains the principal provider of sophisticated weapons systems to the Gulf states. But Gulf state leaders ought to understand that they don’t need some of the weapons that they seek to purchase.

“The stuff these guys want isn’t the stuff these guys need,” Carter said. “If you want stuff that protects you—you’re not going to protect the integrity of your own state, you’re not going to protect from infiltration from outside, by having a bunch of fancy equipment.”

Carter: Gulf Allies Need Better Special Operators, Ground Forces More Than 'Fancy' Jets - Defense One

----------------------------------------------------------

The funniest part? The article calls GCC regimes as 'moderate Arab states'. The word 'moderate' is seriously screwed by western countries in past few years, be it Syria or other places. With the path they are going, ISIS will be a moderate force in not more than few years. :angel:
 
Last edited:
Pretty much myself, and anyone with common sense has been saying; I would, however, add the UAE in this as well.
 
The GCC has no interest in really trying to destroy ISIS, the terror group that they helped invent and fund.

They want the fancy toys to counter Israel.
 
Saudi soldiers are too secular to fight Houthis. Houthis are hardcore religious nuts. These guys are not afraid to die because of religion. Saudi soldiers are not religious and they flee when they see Houthis coming.
 
Saudi soldiers are too secular to fight Houthis. Houthis are hardcore religious nuts. These guys are not afraid to die because of religion. Saudi soldiers are not religious and they flee when they see Houthis coming.
stop advertise for saudis pls
it is too much visible your fake game
 
it is well said expensive toys are not the answer always
well Houtis are there country Yemen and GCC is the invading people so sometimes it is also that they dont want to fight or simply run they dont want to die
 
There is a great deal of merit in what he says.
 
defense-large.jpg
U.S. Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter had reassuring words for Israel when I interviewed him last week in his office at the Pentagon, but he also had blunt criticism of other American allies in the Middle East: the Arab Gulf states, who, he argued, sometimes appear unwilling to effectively engage their enemies. Carter suggested that these states—the members of the six-nation Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC), and Egypt as well—would rather build show-horse air forces than commit to the dangerous work of countering ISIS and Iran, the main bogeymen of moderate Arab states.

“If you look at where the Iranians are able to wield influence, they are in the game, on the ground,” Carter said, referring to Iranian military activities in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, and Yemen. “We don’t like it that they’re in the game on the ground, but they are in the game. There is a sense that some of the Gulf states are up there at 30,000 feet,” more interested in acquiring advanced fighter jets than in building—and deploying—special-operations forces.

Carter went on, “It is apparent to us, and we are trying to make it apparent to the Gulf states, and some of them understand this—the United Arab Emirates is one that understands—that the reason they lack influence, and feel they lack influence in circumstances like Iraq and Syria, with [ISIS], is that they have weighted having high-end air-force fighter jets and so forth over the hard business of training and disciplining ground forces and special-operations forces.”

At a summit meeting at Camp David in May with the member states of the GCC—Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, and Oman—President Barack Obama publicly promised these countries “ironclad” American support, but at the same time privately chided them for their passivity and told them he was under no pressure from the Middle East-weary American people to become further entangled in their regional disputes. A consistent complaint of the Obama administration is that numerous American allies in the greater Middle East, including, notably, Turkey, as well as the Gulf states, expect the United States to do the hardest fighting against their regional enemies—enemies who pose far more immediate threats to their interests than they do to American national security.


When I noted to Carter that he appeared to be expressing publicly a set of critical observations that Obama had privately expressed to Gulf leaders at Camp David, he said: “It wasn’t hidden at Camp David, I can tell you that.”

He went on, “I’ve said the same things to them: ‘Guys, you come and complain to us but you’re not in the game. You have to get in the game. This stuff that you want”—advanced aircraft, mainly—“doesn’t do you any good when the Houthis are overrunning Yemen.’” Carter said that the U.A.E., which recently lost 45 troops in a single day in Yemen, is a country more fully committed to fighting on its own behalf. “The Emiratis have a small but capable force, but the other Gulf states, Egypt, and so forth, they don’t. Egypt still has a very large conventionally oriented, war-with-Israel military, which is odd, given the kaleidoscope of problems they have around them.”

Carter and I came to this discussion about the Gulf states and their limitations by way of a related discussion concerning the maintenance, by the Pentagon, of Israel’s so-called qualitative military edge. For years, the United States has promised Israel that it would not help provide to Arab states weapons systems that would be anything near the technological equal of systems—American-made and otherwise—that Israel deployed. In recent years, Israel has worried less that countries like Saudi Arabia would use these weapons against it—after all, Israel and Saudi Arabia are in complete agreement that Iran represents a common existential threat—than that these weapons would fall into the hands of Sunni extremists. Though he has doubts that countries like Saudi Arabia need some of the weapons systems they seek from the United States, Carter also acknowledged that it would be better for the U.S., and Israel, if the Gulf states did their weapons shopping in America. (So far in 2015, the U.S. government has approved the sale of $115 million worth of arms to Kuwait, $150 million to Bahrain, $845 million to the U.A.E., and $19.5 billion to Saudi Arabia.)

“It’s not just that we have relationships with Gulf allies, which we do, and it’s not just that we want to sell arms, which is natural as a matter of political economy; it is also, from the security point of view, true that we have more influence over the parties that are receiving [weapons systems] because the transactions are overseen by us,” he said. “If the transaction is with the French or the Russians, this is different. These are not situations in which the transaction isn’t going to happen at all. The question is, will it be an American transaction or someone else’s?”

The message from Carter is a complicated one: Israel’s defense leaders ought to understand that it is better for them if America remains the principal provider of sophisticated weapons systems to the Gulf states. But Gulf state leaders ought to understand that they don’t need some of the weapons that they seek to purchase.

“The stuff these guys want isn’t the stuff these guys need,” Carter said. “If you want stuff that protects you—you’re not going to protect the integrity of your own state, you’re not going to protect from infiltration from outside, by having a bunch of fancy equipment.”

Carter: Gulf Allies Need Better Special Operators, Ground Forces More Than 'Fancy' Jets - Defense One

----------------------------------------------------------

The funniest part? The article calls GCC regimes as 'moderate Arab states'. The word 'moderate' is seriously screwed by western countries in past few years, be it Syria or other places. With the path they are going, ISIS will be a moderate force in not more than few years. :angel:
he mentioned Egypt ? our ground forces are fighting isil in sainai for about 2 years and they could not control 1 cm of land our history is well known our ground forces did something so few in the world can accomplish with the tools they had in 73 he should worry about his ground forces in afganstan and before iraq
 
Calm down Mahmoud my brother! IMHoO, he is exactly unhappy because Egypt is making
choices towards autonomy from US and his call does a bad job of hiding the intent to curb
sales of a given non-US jet to surrounding countries with a similar emancipation agenda.

That's a Geo-politico-financial propaganda move; nothing dangerous unless you're credulous?

Good evening all, Tay.
 
Back
Top Bottom