Absolutley disagreed, now ask me why? Turning the key subject of this thread into India vs Sino-Pak alliance and justify this claim by harping about dependability of India on US to counter this influence of your so called contemptible alliance. You were making me to accept your imaginative untruth thinking. Hence I compelled to questioned your maturity.
No, let me remind you.
This is what you have written from the start.
India does'nt have reliable parter to counter this Sino-Pak alliance. What an unremarkable form of recknoning!
India need Us as the partner for balance. What makes you think that?
Us is the only natural partner for India? only becuase you think so!
What does US has got so much that will help Indian to counter China.
I am simply answering your post. That's what made it go off topic. Nobody, is turning it to a India vs Sino-Pak thread. You questioned my post with the post you posted above. I am simply answering it and supporting with facts. This only turned ugly when you fail to accept and understand what I have written and resort to personal attacks calling me imature adolescent memory. That's why I concluded that you could not argue reasonably.
I am not making you accept anything, It is difficult to actually MAKE someone accept a certain thing. But what I said, I support it with a logical backup. Whether you accept or not is your opinion. You are entitled.
For example, I said we are the sole superpower in the world, yet you trash it that is not and you laugh with no logical backup. Understand the difference?
Indeed it was funny. Got annoyed? Huh!
Now listen, after reading your such disreputable astounding speech, why can’t you deserved to be taught as “Professor”.
Not annoyed, only puzzled. Why you called me professor or any other names when I never said I'm a professor myself. Do you have a habit giving people names when you are discussing with someone? How is is disreputable? please support that with a logical backup.
If you read what I have written before, you could see that I back up what I say. Also, do you see me calling you names such as Professor? adolescent memory? juvenile? and any other things? the asnwer is No, because instead of resorting to those behaviours I discuss with you in a civilized way. It is only you, that resort to those methods.
Maybe, you should tell me why you resort to that and not discuss in a civilized way.
Didn’t like those smiles icons and jokes, those are artificial form of face expression to express my amusement after reading your post.
Before questioning my proficiency in relation to discussion, If you have some spare time, take a look at your own adroitness of presenting the subject and your so called facts and backups which were fallen very least in their sphere and hence they are deserve to yield some unreasonable discussion.
You say my backups have fallen, why don't you list them, then we could discuss in more details. Instead of resorting to calling me names, which it seems to be your habit.
Likewise, maybe you should have a look at what you have written yourself and realise how funny it was. In fact, I couldnt even call it a debate, more like comedy.
Afterwards, I could list your comedy posts in return.
Huh?
I think, before comprehending the negativity of my understanding, You yourself need to get attuned about Whatever is written above here, because you himself were reasoning such political & military echoing term by associating it with war like situation for example Gwadar Port, Airbase etc
Ok, upto this point, you are still discussing about my behaviour of posts, why don't you discuss with me the topic at hand.
How, many times do I have to tell you, war is not the key topic. Naval base in Gwadar is to anchor Chinese presence and influence on your waters. That is a possibility the Chinese and Pakistan could use this port to contain Indian sea activities. No one is suggesting war. Like I said, if you have a strong military to support your politics, that is a bonus and carries more weight.
I repeat, you should reflex yourself once again, and read in your previous posts before asking me such unrealistic question? Since it is you who desperately want to me to ask this question.
Ok, your commenting on me again. I wonder when this would finish and we could resume our discussion. Which question? if you dont understand or need more clarification, just ask, I would clarify. Your mistaken, no one is desperate. Like I have mentioned, I am telling you my views, and your telling me yours. I'm saying your views is wrong, your saying my views are wrong. Therefore, we need to debate further. Not resort to name calling.
We are totally aware about Criticality of our neighborhood more then your thinking horizon. Understanding about criticality of particular nation, one need to be aware about History, Current affairs, Social and religious conditon, Domestic Politics, Foreign affair, Diplomatic relationship with contiguous countries, Contemporary and prevailing Ideology of citizens and high Profile personality of that country.
Rather then you who came and harp over here, how does Chinese influence on associating adjacent countries economics and politics and its consequential effect will yield negative effect on India. Those IPI project were optional and upto the pakistan and it is not that squeeze of IPI by pakistan would bring our energy resource to standsill.
Let me clarify, India's relations with all her neighbours aren't good, especially the two big players, China and Pakistan. Pakistan is shutting India off on the East and China to the North, North East. This would certainly limit India's expansion towards the East, towards ME region and other parts. The only alternative for India is by sea to reach other western nations such as Iran.
With the presence of Chinese Navy in Gwadar port, this would even make sea operations even more difficult, if not, challenging.
The other minor players, although they don't possess a strong military they could serve their purpose by being a pawn for China and Pakistan. This could be applied on the political and economical front.
China is a very influencial international player, especially on neighbouring nations. The minor nations would jump on the bandwagon and due to the poor relations with India, that would be a bonus for China.
The IPI is not optional, for India, it is as important as any other oil/gas pipeline. China and India are the two rapid rising economies and as economies rise, so does the resources. This is a natural behaviour. That's why we see China scourging the world for resources, most notably Africa and the Middle East. This is because the Chinese knows that inorder to sustain double digit growth she would need a lot of resources.
This would ofcourse naturally be also applied to India. India is catching up with China in terms of economy so they would also need energy resources to feed the economy. Apart from domestic energy supplies, this is not enough for hungry India if she wants to sustain her growth. Therefore, foreign aquisition is required. Hence, the China and India competition for resources around the world and overall driving up oil prices. The war, is also a complementing factor to this rise, but we leave that out for the moment.
Now, I don't know the true reasons behind the IPI delay with India, but I guess that is all politics and the price is just a smokescreen. But it is widely known here that the reason is India is delaying because its a balancing act with the US-India nuclear deal. The US is seriously isolating Iran, therefore, India is treading lightly towards this IPI deal.
We all know that this deal is trasporting oil from Iran to Pakistan and India. Pakistan is in the middle and the pipeline would be from Pakistan territory leading to Indian territory. So if there is the need, Pakistan could stop the oil flow from Pakistan to India. Pakistan could just say its a technical problem and India can no nothing, but wait. So overall, this energy line, is not secured. Although, by doing this, Pakistan would get some sort of retaliation economically from India that would hurt Pakistan, but that is another scenario.
What I am saying is, if Pakistan wants, they could deny oil to India.
Offcourse according to your reasoning it is nonsense and I should used my head. In fact it takes brain to arrive at such conclusion, I had used my brain to come up with this conclusion of political turmoil and it is open reality. Since the person who he drew his conclusion based on Political and foreign policy and desperately attempted to prove the ciritiality of the same to India, then ask me how does he supposed to know the severe reality. And unless and until you choose to overlook such reality then keep it. One of the rampant example is Pakistan, Chinese Assistance in Nucler Technology, I mean an indirect way of containing India, but those Nukes now has become critical for Pakistan’s own survival.
Ok, more talk about your brain, anyways, in response to your Pakistan nukes, can you elaborate more on how it is critical for pakistan's own survival. This way I could respond better.
That't correct, the Chinese assisted Pakistan in their nukes, the purpose is to balance India, I agree with this.
Serious comprehension problem indeed, the essence of my claim regarding IRAN-India cooperation was in terms of leasing of port to counter Chinese presence in Gwadar. Since you are the one who claimed in the previous post regarding India’s cooperation with Iran to lease port to counter Gwadar.
This is clear evidence that India is aware of this Gwadar threat, that's why they are leasing the Chabahar port like you said to counter this. I clarify, India could lease the port no problems, but Iran could not help you in countering the Sino-Pak alliance. It is just not feasible. The leasing of the port could balance Gwadar to some extent, but Iran can do nothing more to assist India. Inotherwords, temporary help, not a final/fixed solution. On top of that, Sino-Iran trade is at an all time high.
Regarding your remark of US hostilities with Iran, then I would like to Thanks you very very much, since you yourself have solved all India’s panic associated with Gwadar. If suppose by tomorrow hypothetically US invade Iran by virtue of its hostilities associated with Nukes and somehow US established itself on Iranian soil, then simultaneously it will make Chinese presence in Gwadar null and void, even if Chinese manages to gain presence in Gwadar, then it will have to contain US first before thinking about your so called Naval containment about India.
You must agree that we are hostile to Iran and this would not stop unless Iran stops enrichment, which wont happen. If we are to invade Iran successfully and set foot on Iranian soil Gwadar is not void. This is because the gwadar port is targeted at India and some extent US naval activities in nearby waters. But since the Gwadar port is commercial we can't do anything to it. Even if China plants her Naval forces there, we can't do anything. This is because China could just say it is to protect her sea lines and sea cargoes. Which is justified and we can't stop this. This is the beauty of politics and the use of political words. However, we could limit the effectiveness of this port and Chinese Naval influences. Ofcourse, inorder to achieve this we would need to work with India, hence my overall claim, that we are India's most reliable partner to counter the Sino-Pak alliance.
With this said, we most likely can't do anything at all because once we set foot in Iran, we would have to deal with the aftermath of insurgencies, similar to what you see now in Iraq, but on a higher scale since Iran is much stronger than Iraq. Our military would be overstretched to do anything to Gwadar or Chinese influence in South Asia.
If this did happen, it would worry India even more because US would be bogged down in Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran. India would be dealing with China-Pakistan Gwadar on her own. also, during the conflict, the chabahar would be a hostile area. Which would undermine the plans for India to use that port to counter Gwadar.
Another worst example of serious comprehension problem, I had admitted regarding quoting of Russian in previous post but its role associated with India and its eventualities in the past and its worthiness during hard time of India rather then your ineffectual Sino-Pak alliance and that’s exactly you failed to digest it, let alone my uncertainty.
Ok, I explain, the history of the Russia-India is good and worthiness in the past is also good, ok I'm not debating this. What I am saying is this.
The past is the past, I'm not saying ignore the past, but look at it from the present day. Both Russia and China sees US as the main threat, they would have to work together as mentioned before in the good neighbours treaty and the regional power bloc SCO. They are natural partners to counter the US. Just like natural partners for China and Pakistan to contain India. What they have in common is they share a common adversary.
Back to my claim that US is the natural partner for India to counter China and Pakistan. Although, we don't see China or Pakistan as enemies, we see China more as a rival and challenger to our global dominance. This is American ego, but it is the truth, once your at the top, you plan to stay as the top. We want to contain China, and India sees China as a rival. So it makes perfect sense that we are natural partners to counter China.
Therefore, Russia-India alliance to counter Sino-Pak is unrealistic. Sure, Russia could sell you weaponry etc. but nothing more. This would undermine more since war is not going to happen. Politically, Russia would work with China.
One of the worst case scenario for me is the person with whom I am discussing his unrealistic thinking is seems to have suffering from dreadful comprehension problem.
Ok, more attacks, I think I'm used to that now. If you say it is unrealistic thinking, then tell me which part then we could discuss. Instead of personal attacks.
I repeat it again as sympathy by looking at the state of your comprehension ability and inability to understand the essence of what is being written regarding INDO-RUSSIAN ALLIANCE, this particularly alliance proved its worth during past in eventualities. I didn’t simultaneously admitted the applicability of same alliance in present scenario to counter Sino-Pak Alliance because your so called Sino-Pak alliance which is dreaming about containing India from last 40-50 years but yet to realize its feasible object of containing India.
Ok, more attacks, Sino-Pak alliance dream? didnt you confirm it was a reality before? Ok, you seem to place a lot of faith on Russia-India alliance, then please tell me how Russia is going to help you in countering Sino-Pak alliance.
Sino-Pak encirclement is certainly working and India is feeling it hard. If like you said, it is a dream and not working for 40-50 years, then tell me why India counters China with the Chabahar port? also, is it not true India is having difficulty is aquiring foreign energy sources. China also placed listening outposts on nearby nations and islands. Why does India scramble with alert?
If Sino-Pak containment is not working, then India shouldn't have to worry. Yet, they scamble with ways to counter China's every move.
Another worst problem of understanding the essence of my previous remarks, the admission of Reality of Sino-Pak alliance was in terms of past and contemporary presence as friendly nation, whereas it is still to realize its decade old dream of containing India in terms of your so called Economics, Politics and Military equation.
Sino-Pak alliance is a reality and Chinese influence in the fields on economics, politics and military is greater than India. Since the world doesnt work with wars, we are left with politics and economics. on the political front, China carries more influence than India. This also applies to the economical front. With the cooperations of India's neighbours. China could easilly limit Indian growth and influence on both fronts. This is an undeniable fact.
This is how the US gets global supremacy, we limit other powers influence with our influence policies. This is what China is doing to India.
Thank You very very very very much!
I feel very very glad with this particular column and want to wish you a hearted thanks, since at last you have to admit the ground reality and admit that on your own that it is the US which needs India to counter Chinese and not your previous coveted unrealistic forking that India need US to counter China.
What? I think your confused. To counter China, the US needs India, and India needs the US. Mutual importance. None of us could take on China alone. Do you understand?
overall, we can't counter China without India, India could not counter China without US.
That's why I kept saying that we need to work together and that we are your natural partner to counter China.
That's why I said to you in the last post, unless you want to see a rising China and always be in her shadow, we need to work together. Understand?
Encirclement of Russia is decade old history,I am not denying it, but if you read my post correctly, Russian has installed formidable military inputs in place to get rid of your so coveted encirclement.
It's good your not denying the encirclement of Russia. I think you don't see the most important part. I'll explain, Russia sure has great military systems inplaced to target the bases of encirclement. But what are the Russians going to do? Shoot it at our bases in Europe and Middle East and Central Asia? It wont happen, inotherwords, having big guns, but cant use it.
On the otherhand, we are encroaching into Eastern Europe with former Soviet states jumping onto NATO and EU. The Russians couldn't do nothing but watch. This is because its political war, rather than a military war. So having powerful installations is void when not fighting a military war. While we are getting closer to Russia, Russia is not pushing back. The only possible way is war, but I doubt Russia would be stupid enough to start it.
Remember, political offences could only be countered with political defences, not military. Russia is losing this political war.
One of the interesting think about you is that you are so eager to treat the encirclement of Russians so aggressively but at the same time show moderate behaviour for the encirclement of Chinese. This is particularly evident from the fact that, in your previous post, you are so aggressively targeting Russians with encirclement stretagy like missile shield in the west,NATO and US presence in Japan and Korea, but at the same time putted Chinese totally out of same encircling equation.
But in this particular post, now you come and claim that US badly need India to counter China, but in terms of superpower status and at the same time didn’t utter a single word regarding countering Chinese in terms of encirclement. So Professor, Can I ask you why are you fuming so much moderate sympathy for Chinese?
I think your mistaken again, the reason why I am targetting Russia is because you claim Russia is your partner of choice to counter the Sino-Pak alliance. Therefore, I am telling you that it is not feasible. So I tell you all the flaws.
The US needs India to counter China, that is a fact. The US sees Russia more of a threat than China. This is due to the Russian heavy arsenal weaponry and the energy resources. Russia is dominating the energy sources to europe and having high influences in the Central Asian states. I am sure that you heard of Russia using energy as a weapon to Europe.
Since energy is important to EU and the US, we can't allow Russia to control the worldwide energy markets, this means we are at their mercy. We don't want this, the EU surely doesnt want this.
If we recall back to what I said about a politcal war, Russia is using this as an energy war to possibly counter our political war.
Soft offences on both sides. We see this Russian strategy, therefore we consider Russia a greater threat than China.
China's main threat is the rapid modernization of her military and economy as I have mentioned before. Their armed forces are still decades behind us so we are not taking that as a too much threat, also, they want to sustain their economy, so they don't want any wars. This as a result would lower the priority of threat. On the otherhand Russia's military is heavy and advanced. So they are placed higher in threat.
The way I see it, I think we would contain Russia and then move to China. We are also planning a missile shield in Asia targetting China.
Sympathy is not the word, as I have said, the closer threat is Russia, then China.
Oh really Did my previous post sound so funny? , if you are not able to control your relentless laugh, then stop in midway and properly inhale otherwise you would find difficulty in breathing.
This is your counter to my post in regards to your Russia and cold war post?
All I see is attack again, but
not a single word to defend what you have written about your Russia, cold war post.
So it is funny don't you think?
Oh my goodness, pursue Russian as old Soviet union or todays Russians, whatever according to what suits you but Does it change the reality? You Cannot admit such reality by virtue of your self imposed unacceptability regarding Russian capability. But that is not your guilty, since your eyes have already dazzled with unrealistic thinking of encircling Russia, hence you could not see the revival of Russian power. Whenever Russia got the opportunity it has shown the world that it is one of the most formidable player in World affairs and now it’s economy is on track and prospering very well and politically it has playing major role in every major international event and now militarily it has resume its ICBM test.
Ok, more attacks, that aside, I'll reply to your post. What you are saying is Russia today is no different to the former Soviet Union. That is total nonsense. Does the term "Dissolution" and the "fall" of the Soviet Union mean anything to you.
This means that the glory days are over, Russia is no longer a superpower. The US is the only superpower. If you can't understand this. Then it is difficult to discuss further.
Have you read about the stagnation after the dissolution? Russia was in a tragic state and her economy crippled. Although, they have been recovering under Putin. But there is no way Russia is the same as the former Soviet Union.
What major political event role is Russia playing? Don't tell me the Kosovo event? They are are dgragging the independence of Kosovo.
what about ICBM? We have ICBM. Mutual detterence, so it is void. unless they plan to use it, then it is irrelevant.
What makes you think that we love Russians so much, the issue lies in you who dreadfully want to me to admit it your wishful thinking.
Well, you claim Russians is your partner for countering the Sino-Pak alliance and you bring in historical points to support. I however, said it is unrealistic in this present day and international climate. Your historical support is based on history of good faith from the Russians. My support is from the current political climate.
Hey What logical back ups are you talking about? Are you even deserve for something called like logical? Since you should not expect any kind of a logical backup for your idealistic reasoning because you are the one who only want to see which suits according to his own sensitivity.
No, I back up my information with current politcal events, while your back up is historical good faith. your other backup is resort to name calling behaviours.
If you think my backup is not logical, then you should challenge it.
For example, I claim the following:
1. US most powerful military
2. Most political influence
3. Most economical influence
The only way you could counter this logically is name a SINGLE country that could supercede us in those fields.
Definetly you have bang on target!
Since this is what I want you to admit.If that is really the case, then why does so much much harping about elements like NATO, Missile shield in West, Encirclement through JAPAN and Korea. Because the key purpose of all this elements is only associated with RussianNukes and missile.
No, in your last post, you make an issue that Russia has more nukes, which is true. However, I don't see the relevance of having more Nukes as advantageous. Since both nations has more than enough to destroy each other.
From the start, the Missile shield is not targetted at Russia, but roque states. (I dont believe this) Russia is scared straight away, even though they outnumber us on nukes. This further supports my claims that even having more nukes means nothing. The most important thing is the mutual detterence policy.
Currently, both the US and Russia's mutual deterrence is balanced. But with the missile shields in Europe and Asia would tip the balance of mutual deterrence. The Russians believe the missile shield would eventually evolve into a global defence shield (which I agree), then this would put Russian and Chinese ICBMs into doubt.
So the mutual deterrence is disturbed. Do you understand? Now, before you trash my views with wishful thinking, personal thinking etc. Tell me your views on this matter.
About Russian crying, oh have you forget your so called and coveted streatagy of Politics and Economics and this is exactly the usual reaction of opponent in real world if opponent find something being targeted at them. So Crying of Russians automatically translate you as they are so scared and those missile shield will send shakes to Russia. I was only contesting those top notch missile shield will get wiped out by Russian missiles like a smoke.
Sure, they could destroy the shields and the base, but this would trigger a retaliation from US and NATO. This means Russia draws first blood and US-NATO would be justified to go to war with Russia. This would clearly mean WWIII.
Since I doubt this would happen, war is out of the question. So referring back to my point of having big guns but cant use it makes it void.
Treat my post whatever way you can, since it is the last resort you can avail who find himself inexplicable incapable of having a positive justification for your unrealistic and ostensible thinking. If you had understand my fundamental nature of Respecting and Acknowledging US, You did not exude this remark. Acknowledge of US status doesn’t mean holding your super duper US in high esteem.
Ok, more talk about my thinking, why not discuss what you dont agree with. Firtsly you laugh at the superpower status then you agree and acknowledge. It is not about self esteem, is agreeing when its a total fact.
After reading your this particular section, I just cannot control my laughter, because I am so sorry for hurting US super military status that they conquer Afganistan and Iraq. Truly I should admire your such US achivement which is truly priceless. Should I simplify your word? Since Afganistan and Iraq has the best Army, Airforce and Navy in the world. Basically their Army consist of Star world’s robots and aliens as what depicted in Hollywood movies. Afganistan and Iraqi Airforces does’nt operate Fighter Planes but rather they operate super duper space ships which come flying on earth directly from space and bases of this spaceships were located on Mars and Moon. And there navy consist of invisible Submarines, Aircraft Carriers opps I forget to say Spaceship carriers. Despite all this Your US Military decimated Afganistan and Iraq
Ok, you start to drift in your post towards Bollywood fantasies. Your claim is we defeated weaker nations such as Afghanistan and Iraq. Ok then, please tell me which country could do what we did in Afganistan and Iraq? Can India?
The power of the countries involved is not the key thing, the key important thing is WE CAN DO WHAT WE DID IN THOSE COUNTRIES, in otherwords, we have the capability.
Can that be said for India or any other country?
Again, counter my points and questions before resorting to personal attacks.
After invasion of Iraq and afganistan, US is still at ground zero and needed Pakistan’s help to solve the criticality of Afganistan. Still taliban and Al-Quada believe to have strong toehold in afganistan. Oh what an super duper US, I Just I cannot stop myself from laughing
Oh my god, didn't you understand what I said in my last posts. I say again, We are the worlds only superpower, BUT it doesn't mean we can conquer the world. Can you digest that statement before I continue to write?
Our military is already over stretched in the world, therefore assistance is needed.
But if we compare this to other nations, they would probably packed their bags and gone home by now. This is what makes us the Superpower status that we are. Since no nation could match what we are doing. Understand?
This shows how you have true love and sympathy for china indeed who conveniently manages to put all other nation from its periphery of idealistic mind.
Sympathy? again explain, China is in the queue to be the target of US containment. I have said this before.
US arrogonce is when we are at the top, we plan to stay at the top, whoever challeneges us, we would try to contain. Russia and China are in line.
So is other nations on Bush's terror list. Understand?
Agreed, I knew it from earlier you would likely to come up with sanctions of US on North Korea but that is post nucler test event. But my point was to prove that in spite of relentless Economic sanctions and diplomatic pressure, US could not able to refrain North Korea from conducting the Nucler Test.
It doesnt matter about the process, the important thing is the result. Due to international pressure and the US. Although they tested the bomb, they still caved in.
One must ask, if you successfully tested a bomb, then you are a nuclear state, you can't be touched, yet they caved in. This is very important.
The most likely reason is, The Koreans knows that although they have the bomb, but in the long run, they would not survive. They realise isolation and constant world sanction is not the way to go for their country. If they continue to defy the international community, they are basically waiting for a slow death, their people are starving, economy in ruins, no international friends, maybe China, but no one else, shut from outside organizations.
Although they tested, but eventually disarmed, which satisfies US interests.
Ostensible indeed, Iran is scared because you said so, huh? Hence inspite of so much bullying by US, Iran is still proceeding further with its Nucler Weapon Programme and regarding your sanctions, Sanctions on Iran have been persistent from last several decades, does it change any ground reality? Your claim simply doesn’t hold any water.
Not because I said so, If I recall correctly an Indian General visited Iran. During his stay he was kept being asked the same question by the Iranian Generals. Do you know what repetitive questions they were asking? let me tell you. These where the questions they were asking:
1. Are the Americans really going to attack?
2. When are the Americans going to attack?
I can't find the source, but if you do a search on Google about an Indian general visiting Iran. You would know.
Now, this makes us think, why are they asking this question "repetitively?" The only explanation is they are scared, if they aren't scared, they wouldn't even have to ask the question once. Yet they were asked repeatedly the same questions.
The Iranians knows they could not ignore who they are dealing with. They are dealing with the worlds only superpower, The United States. We could turn Iran into a parking lot.
That is my logical backup to my claim that they are scared. Ok, now I ask you, the same question.
Why do you think Iranians are not scared and it's just me? please tell me, and support it aswell please. I'm eager to read your explanation as to why they are not scared.
Offcourse you should expect such a crazy, illogical examples, because such crazy examples are atleast a reality and happen in the past whereas in contrast your impractible thinking and associating dreaming is still far away from getting fructified and being perceived by your ancestor from last several decades
You put "crazy" examples and "reality" in the same sentence, that is priceless.
Let me remind you, my claim is we are most influencial in politics. Which is true as no nations can carry as much political influence as the United States.
You don't agree with this and bring out illogical examples. Yet you fail to name a SINGLE country that has more influence than the US.
I had read it better, and it was an eyeopener indeed and you know what I had seen, an desperate excuse by an US which saving its face from humiliations they meted in Iraq in spite of overwhelming ascendancy in their favour.
I already said going in Iraq was a mistake. They don't know how to escape this nightmare. So, I don't the relevance of your post.
Undeniably it serves interest of the US, because they know they could not accomplish triumph even with the status of super duper power.
Regarding WMD, kindly get it confirmed if it was really the case or rather US and NATO want share Rich Oil Reserves of Iraq.
No, they could, like I said, its public relations, We have the influence to make other NATO nations share our view that Iraq has WMD inorder to justify an invasion.
Again, Super duper power? you taunt at this, yet I am still waiting for a nation that can match what we do?
Oil, was part of the reason, but not the most important. The most important is we want to plant more bases in the ME, we want to control the ME. Hence Iran is in the firing line. Another reason is the support for Israel since Iran is hostile towards Israel.
It seems to me I really inflict severe wounds on your nerves; as you find it really hard to get it digest my remarks. And How should stand on my statements! Because you claim with so much aggression regarding your explanations, facts and backups which was being exhumed to serve your own sensitivity. Since I know as a wise personality that I have engage with the person who is sharing with me his quixotic tale with highlighting characters of Sino-Pak alliance and associated containment.
Did you just call yourself wise personality? when you personally attack me on many occassions. You should get an oscar for that.
There is no agression at all, the reason why you see agression is I presnt you my explantions and you fail to understand it. Instead of discussing further, you resort to personal attacks. Funny enough, at the same time, you could not provide a logical backup to the topic.
Nice words of serving my own sensitivity, how about you cannot counter it, therefore it serves my purpose instead.
Again, you claim I am annoyed hit a nerve, etc....again, you don't see my expression, how would you know this? it cant be the words, since I didnt personally attack you, which what you have been doing.
Please give me a logical backup as to how you know I am annoyed, hit a nerve etc.
Oh so annoyed, definitely you can accuse me whatever you want, because you want to hear what suits your sentiment who often resort to unfeasibility and associated arguments. Unarguably in your rush to present your imaginative thoughts you could not keep track of timeline from where your scripted story of Sino-Pak alliance and its allied dreams going to take off to contain India.
Accusing you?, Ok, asnswer my quesiton, did you not persoanlly attack me? saying I am immature, juvenile, adolocent memory etc? YES or NO will do.
You say Sino-pak alliance is a dream again. It looks like we have to rever to YES and NO to continue further.
Is Sino-PAk alliance a dream? YES or NO?
Because sometimes you say it is a dream, and then you confirm reality. If you could answer then it would be settled.
Not I am not confused rather amuse with your unrealistic thinking that you have presented so far, it was truly entertaining indeed.
I suggested Hip-Hope music to give a feel to such rather amusing story of Sino-Pak Alliance and associated Day-Night Dreaming, opps I forget to say reality in your language.
Well, instead of suggesting random entertainment, why not debate the points you disagree with or unrealistic thinking.
It is only logical to think that you would only resort to other unrelated topics when you cant discuss back or provide a response.
